help me explain not embracing the pink

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  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited June 2009

    I have a different perspective. I sell the type of branded promotional products that are sold/given away. Not anything bc related, but other things. So I am very familiar with this type of marketing. That being said, when I was diagnosed, the doctor came out with a big pink tote bag filled with ecucational materials. I was HORRIFIED. It was so totally inyourface. I was like "Hell no, I will NEVER carry that tote bag anywhere EVER!" I brought it home and buried it in a closet. I think oftentimes those purchasing these products do not have a real sense of what being a cancer patient is like. For instance, at the entrance to my cancer center, they sold memorial bricks which are in the sidewalk you walk on to the front door. They have names and birth/death years of people who (presumably) died from cancer. So when you walk in the front door, you are WALKING over the names of people who died of cancer.  It is AWFUL. I spoke to some women in a support group there and EVERY SINGLE OF of them felt the same way. But whoever planned and approved that project didn't consider the feelings of the patients.

    So as cancer warriors, we see things differently, first hand, being in the battle.  I was given some pink awareness bracelets when I was first dx.  I would NEVER wear one - I don't need a reminder of what I'm going through. However, friends & family members took them and wear them in my honor and say that when they see the bracelet on their wrist, it reminds them to send love & support my way, and that means a lot to me. So it is different for different people.

    I was given a "Hey Cancer - You Picked the Wrong Broad" shirt, which I love, but i wear it to work out in or around the house, not in public. But I don't wear slogan shirts anyway.

    I think there is a way to be subtle and encouraging and not overt about the message, and that is how I direct my clients. But some people choose to cope in a very overt way. We're all different.

    For me, no pink clothes please! But I understand others who love them.

    (Well I think if I run the survivors race I am training for in October, I might wear something identifying to that. But that's one time I want to show what I've been through, as I run along!)

  • Kessala
    Kessala Member Posts: 189
    edited June 2009

    I love pink and have always worn it.  But anything that denotes Breast Cancer?  No way!  No pink ribbons for me!

    When I see men sporting blue ribbon clothing to bring awareness to their testicular cancer I might feel differently.

    Kessala

  • adenacb
    adenacb Member Posts: 89
    edited June 2009

    I feel the same way. I cannot stand all the pink ribbon stuff:  t-shirts, bags, promotions, etc. I just feel like they are trivializing our experience, making it into something they can market. I don't want to feel part of this pink-wearing group. I don't want to BE in this group! Cancer makes me angry, not happy!

    There is actually a wonderful campaign by Breast Cancer Action called "think before you pink"to help people realize what they are giving to (or not giving to) when they donate to "pink" causes. http://www.thinkbeforeyoupink.org/Pages/AboutTheCampaign.html 

  • desdemona222b
    desdemona222b Member Posts: 776
    edited June 2009

    It's weird - I don't sport the pink ribbon although I have on occasion bought that stuff to help raise money for the Komen foundation.  I see people wearing bc jewelry and carry bags and stuff like that all the time - I know some of them and they have not had breast cancer themselves.  I guess the point I'm trying to make is that stuff is not strictly for breast cancer patients.  But I know what you mean about sporting reminders of your breast cancer.  No thanks.

  • TCGGal
    TCGGal Member Posts: 137
    edited June 2009

    I don't hate the pink..I just don't wear it. I do have a breast cancer jibbitz in my greay crocs, and a lime green cap with a a pink ribbon on it with "Traci's Hope", a local organization that I have donated to and are now helping me financially a bit. I have other things that have been given to me, but I do not use them.

  • jeril12
    jeril12 Member Posts: 17
    edited June 2009

    I agree, its taken me 8 years to put a pink boy magnet on my car. A friend is doing a 3 day and she asked me to put it on my car. For her I did..  I have walked in some relays, sometimes wear the pink shirt and others not...Most will give you both shirts, so you choose...you will be shocked at the pink shirts. Wear pink when your ready.

  • MBCR
    MBCR Member Posts: 161
    edited June 2009

    The pink is ok for eveyone else out there, but not all proceeds for these pink products goes to breast cancer org 100%. If someone wants to buy you somrthing pink, tell them to give a donation directly to American Cancer Association or Breast cancer Org.Who needs all those chachees.

  • Dawnbelle
    Dawnbelle Member Posts: 696
    edited June 2009

    My DH took me to Books a Million last night & right among the breast cancer books are big pink bears, pink playing cards & those Ty Beanie Babies in their annoyingly pinkest pink.

    I picked one up and winged it at the back of my husband's head while he stood reading a magazine....unfortunately a stout gentleman crossed the pink bear's flightpath & it hit him on the shoulder....

    I apologized, picked up the bear, punched it in the face & put it back on the shelf.

    And that's all I've got to say about pink.

  • NatureGrrl
    NatureGrrl Member Posts: 1,367
    edited June 2009

    Dawnbelle, thank you for a huge laugh! :)  What a great way to start an otherwise wretched (SE's hitting home hard and too much heat) morning! Laughing

    Carol

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2009

    I think we hate being identified as a STATISTIC as well... (And you KNOW people look down at your chest)

  • Marple
    Marple Member Posts: 19,143
    edited June 2009
    Dawn, that story is a real hoot!!!Laughing
  • angeljoy
    angeljoy Member Posts: 128
    edited June 2009

    One of the first things I told my husband when I was diagnosed with this awful thing, was that I did not want all that ostentatious pink crap.  Of course then people gave me all kinds of breast cancer stuff, pink and otherwise.  Even a big bear with a pink turban that played "The Wind Beneath My Wings". Embarrassing. None of it is really my style, either, but I figured people want to do something nice for you and I might as well accept it in the spirit it was given. I could always put it away or give it away if I didn't want to use it or wear it.  I actually bought myself the maroon Warrior shirt, though, mostly because it wasn't pink and I liked the warrior sentiment. I also always like the humorous cancer stuff a bit more so I kept some of that. The farther I've gotten away from treatment, the less the pink stuff bothers me.  I occasionally wear something, but it still makes me feel too conspicuous most of the time.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2009

    When I told my family I said quite clearly I DON'T do pink, I am NOT a survivor or a victim! Since then, of course, I've walked the Survivor Lap in the Relay for Life....Laughing (cried the whole way, but it wasn't just about breast cancer at least; our shirts were yellow)

     

  • Texas357
    Texas357 Member Posts: 1,552
    edited June 2009

    How did I miss this thread? I love it because I feel the same way. Since my diagnosis, I've been inundated with pink and I couldn't stand it. My treatment ended yesterday, and I've mellowed about the pink stuff but I still won't wear it as a badge.

    Since I got multiples of many things, I plan to donate much of what's been given me to the nurse navigator who makes baskets for newly diagnosed patients.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2009
    Now Texas...you just read what so many of us think of pink, do you really want other newbies to get a pink basket.....? Surprised
  • pkb143
    pkb143 Member Posts: 280
    edited June 2009

    I like pink -- now, anyway. I hated it when I was a kid because my Mom always tried to get me to wear it.

    Not that I'm older, I've supported "pink ribbon" campaigns for years by buying items from my favorite Avon lady, my Mom. Avon is one company that puts its money where its mouth is regarding support for breast cancer (research, prevention, cure) with over $500 million donated to breast cancer research since 1992. Little did I know that in 2002 my Mom would be diagnosed with breast cancer and then this year, that I would. (She is no longer an Avon rep but now I am).

    In my opinion, we are seeing the result of a marketing campaign that's been hugely successful. Some of you may not be old enough to remember that back in the 1960s, a diagnosis of breast cancer was almost a death sentence (about 1 women died per 2.3 women diagnosed). I lost two aunts to this disease who most certainly would have survived had they been diagnosed today. Mammograms were certainly not a routine thing and this disease was a 'woman's disease' that was underresearched, undertreated and overlooked. 

    The whole pink campaign has unbelievably raised the levels of awareness. A whole "Army of Women" (literally, a cooperative effort between Avon and Dr. Susan Love) is being formed across the nation today because some lady, way back when, said "Let's wear a pink ribbon to raise awareness about this awful disease claiming our sisters!"

    If you don't personally like all the pink stuff, that is perfectly understandable. Most of us are dealing with breast cancer on the most personal level possible. But it means a whole lot more to me, for so many reasons, and especially now, than an icky color I used to hate as a kid. 

  • Texas357
    Texas357 Member Posts: 1,552
    edited June 2009

    barbe1958: ha ha, but I don't want the pink in my house any longer! LOL

  • Lisa-Lisa
    Lisa-Lisa Member Posts: 30
    edited June 2009

    Yeah!!  I'm not alone in my distaste for PINK.  Never wore it before so why change after?  Dawnbelle- thanks for the laughs!  So,  what do we do with all our pink items we have just sitting around?  Any suggestions, I'm ready to unload them.......

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited June 2009

    Did y'all know that it was a Canadian the started the pink ribbon thing?

  • Analemma
    Analemma Member Posts: 1,622
    edited June 2009

    when I saw this thread I just had to go search the archives for Watson's thread back in '07:

    http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/8/topic/697031?page=2#post_770522

    And while I was looking for that one, I found this one, from earlier in '07 about crazy pink ribbon items sold during October. 

    Enjoy!

  • ShariPDX
    ShariPDX Member Posts: 29
    edited November 2015

    That whole pink ribbon thing is a very profitable racket. Make money by promoting pink crap for BC "awareness". I'm not carrying their message.

    If 1 out of 4 or so women get BC, I think EVERYONE is probably aware of it by now! What do they mean by "awareness" anyway?

    I think selling pink blenders, note pads, ribbons, jewelry, gardening tools, yogurt tops, tennis shoes, cars, and marches, runs, races, and marathons of all kinds to find a cure is not what is good for the actual 1 out of 4 who end up with BC. Some research "foundation" will get a very small % of the NET profit from these things. Meanwhile, big pharma finds the very profitable treatments, but not a cure.

    WE want to know what CAUSES all cancers, not what tortures you can invent to keep us all as patients. If the yogurt company actually cared about cancer, would they still use that high fructose corn syrup? Scientists use that to give mice diabetes so they can find cures for that! It's also been associated with various cancers.

    Something is amiss. Prevention is always better than a cure, except for those making the big bucks.


    UPDATE, I'm still amongst the living and still hate the pink stink of breast cancer.

    On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 1:16 AM, Sari & Denis Swick <SwicksPDX@comcast.net> wrote:

    "Pink Ribbons Inc."

    Runtime: 1h 38m | Release date: 2012

    Pink ribbons ... they're everywhere: tee-shirts, hats, yoghurt cups, KFC buckets, car ads, NFL stadiums ...the list goes on and on. They make us feel good, as if we're all engaged in a successful battle against breast cancer.

    But who is really benefiting? After all, more and more women are diagnosed with breast cancer every year. Maybe it's the companies who wrap their products in pink to gain our admiration (and money) ...and wouldn't it be something if some of the very companies that profit from their pink marketing campaigns have actually contributed to the breast cancer epidemic by selling known carcinogens?

    Pink Ribbons, Inc. fearlessly goes inside the story to reveal those who have co-opted what marketing experts have labeled a 'dream cause'

    I just saw this film, got it from Netflix.

    It's also view able free on this site http://walrusvideo.com/pink-ribbons-inc/

    When I was diagnosed with breast cancer I told everyone "No Pink" ribbons, teddy bears, or other crap. I'm sick, not a 2 year old and that's all just a gimmick to make others rich with this touchy-feely stuff.

    Susan G Komen doesn't support finding any type of CAUSES, just one or more (profitable) cures. And this "survivor" title makes it sound like we were heroic victims, struggling and somehow surviving. I had an all too common, disease most likely caused by toxins in an environment that I assumed was safe, just like my grandmother 50 years before me. I took poisons for many years afterwards and had 2 major surgeries to eradicate my tumor. They didn't have mammograms in the 1950's, so my grandmother was killed by her belatedly diagnosed disease.

    All of the fuzzy warm pink stuff just distracts from the real problem which is why and how do we get this damned cancer to begin with.

    There is not profit in prevention. There's not much profit in a cure either. They need on-going treatments like they have for diabetes, high cholesterol, and various cancers now. The money in the refills!

  • bethfromCanada
    bethfromCanada Member Posts: 3
    edited June 2009
    Did you ever see this? http://www.kalhourd.com/Kal/%22Pink%22.html It's a song written by a Canadian singer/songwriter 'When Pink is just a color again'. Very touching. I think a lot of us just don't relate to the color pink or really any symbol that makes us stand out.
  • intricker
    intricker Member Posts: 1
    edited June 2009

    I am so glad to hear that I'm not the only one.  I have never liked pink because it was too girly.  Also, I have never liked calling attention to myself.  Now people keep urging pink everything on me, like it is an obligatory part of breast cancer treatment.  I am pretty sure that pink accessories won't aid my own recovery; I know that I can't stand the sight of many of them; and I can think of many better ways to help others who are going through breast cancer.  Thanks all of you for confirming what I've been thinking and feeling.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2009

    I agree - I hate pink! And I don't want to wear it and remind myself of the H^%$^  I've been through.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited June 2009

    Pink!  I have a pale pink workout shirt and every time I wear it, I get compliments -- "That's your colour, you should wear it more often!".

    Well, they're right, it IS a good colour for me, but it always reminds me of bc -- ugh!

  • donnamariem
    donnamariem Member Posts: 27
    edited July 2009

    While I kinda like pink, I DO NOT want to advertise.  I would feel like I am asking for sympathy. It's bad enough that everyone is always asking, "How are you?"  or "Are you feeling okay?"  I want to say, "What the $#*$%)* do you think?

    Also, Barbe1958, I hate being a statistic!  And what's with all the percentages??? 

    Do you think I have been holding things in too long?  Sorry everyone.

  • lovemyfamilysomuch
    lovemyfamilysomuch Member Posts: 1,585
    edited July 2009

    I dislike the pink stuff too.  When friends and coworkers give me things I thank them politely and put them away.  The only thing loved was that my 22 year old daughter put on a pink band when I was first diagnosed and I cried when she came home from college with it on.

    Ellen

  • sandy2009
    sandy2009 Member Posts: 106
    edited August 2009

    Don't do pink either...

    If given a pink gift, I don't keep it.   I was recently given a bottle of wine with the pink ribbon on the labeI, I was shocked and felt it was odd to see it on a bottle of wine.   I hope the proceeds do go to help the cause. 

    Ellen:   I have a 22 year old daughter home from college too, I'd cry too if she wore a pink band, how sweet and supportive to you.  Sounds like a wonderful daughter.

    Sandy

  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited August 2009

    I was considering getting a new license plate for my car--Colorado has a pink one that says "committed to a cure" or some such. I was on the fence, because I generally don't advertise my bc--not that this plate singles me out--but when I realized that ALL the money from the plate goes to the DMV, I just said hell no. Now, starting in October this year, an additional $25 fee will be tacked on to that plate--and that fee will go to support Women's Wellness Connection, which helps pay for mammos and cancer treatment for the state's uninsured and under-insured women.

    Now that's a fee I can support. But I don't know that I want the tag...

    Pink is a good color for me, esp hot pink. But I loathe the ribbon thing due to the marketing ploys. It may give awareness for others, but I think it also misguides them. Cancer is not a pretty pink ribbon. Till we know a cause, we can't know a cure. If people see this ribbon as a symbol of hope and strength, that's wonderful. Me? I see it as a distasteful reminder of breast cancer and the profit made off our suffering.

    Anne

  • Panchoandlefty
    Panchoandlefty Member Posts: 181
    edited August 2009

    The Pink is brilliant and has raised a lot of money. I have benefitted from The Pink. I don't begrudge The Pink. 

    That said, I don't wear That Pink.

    I've never been much of a joiner. The wearing of he pink seems very sorority-ish to me. For those who draw strength in numbers, all power to you. It just isn't my Thang.

    It is like sorority girls vs GDI's. 

    It makes me feel goofy and self-conscious. I an open about my cancer-- I tell everyone. That said, wearing pink, particularly as a survivor makes me feel like I want to draw attention to myself. Like I want kudos and applause and attention from strangers. It feels kind of narcissistic. Contrived. 

    I get that it raises awareness and gives cancer a face. Good things to do. That said, I aslo think there is a generational issue in play--

    Women of a certain age (Boomers, mostly) remember the days when speaking about BC was taboo. To them, I imagine wearing pink give a feeling of reclamation. They are standing up FOR something. They are being counted.  

    I think this resonates with Boomers--  The age cohort/group that drives The Pink tends to like to join things and work collectively for common purpose. I'm Gen X. We tend to be a bit more independent in our process. Were slackers ;) 

    There are several older ladies (well, older than me) at my gym who workout head-to-toe in pink. I think it is cute. Heck, if it keeps them motivated and mindful, all power to them.

    I do like that they are all pinked-out in that setting-- I love that they are sweating to the oldies and doing yoga and lifting weights and looking so gosh-darned healthy. THAT is a cool reminder, I think. THAT does motivate me. 

    Stephanie 

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