taxotere and permanent hair loss
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I just remember how upset someone who posts here regularly was the day she found the embrace the bald thread. I felt terrible that what was a light hearted thread for the most part ended up making a hard situation worse. Made me very paranoid about the topic since that time.
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I seriously had that episode in mind when suggesting that, I am very sorry if it came across as harsh and critical
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okblessed, I've been massaging everything from coconut oil to olive oil for quite some time, by this stage I should be having surgery to remove unwanted hair growth from my eyebrows, but alas my eyebrows have not retruned. I had given up hope of them ever returning but I might just purchase one of those pointy finger massage devices that you talk about and give it a try, it might just wake those hair follicles up!
I'm kinda in denial about my 'thin' spot at the top of my head, my hairdresser laughs at me as when she places the mirror at the back of my head to show me how my hair is sitting, I close my eyes tight... if I can't see it it's not there! (it's not there anyway... back in my denial box I go).
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Hi Maeve!
I know how you feel;-) thing is i 'dream' i have hair and wake up thinking i do - it is not until i go into the bathroom and get the magic mirror 'truth' that reality sets in. One of my friends cracked up laughing because i had drawn a 'head' on my mirror with hair on it - i just moved around til my head fit in the space and then i could REMEMBER what i looked like with hair -- worked for getting up and going to bathroom at night! We have to find humor wherever we can! Honestly though i have a 20x magnification mirror and if i hold it just right, in really good sunlight, i can see little tiny hairs coming in on my eyebrow area - 3 THREE HAIRS!!!! yeah!!!
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I was on Taxotere and Cytoxan - twice.
I am now 18 months out and the hair, on my head, has returned but not "normal". I have 2 or 3 inches of very kicky - straw-like hair. (Looks like a Brillo Pad) No matter what I do, it looks awful - but at least I do have some.
WHile on TC I lost every hair on my body and not all of it has returned. I am still bald in a number of places, including pubic and under arm hair, where not one single hair has rerturned. I guess I should be happy, maybe Ill never have to shave again
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Hi to everyone,
I just found this site and am so happy to finally discover that taxotere is the problem. Today is my five year anniversary from date of diagnosis (not celebrating five years until end of chemo, but still an exciting day!). I wanted to write to you all to let you know that I am also bald on top of my head. It's like male pattern baldness for me. My eyebrows didn't come back either, so I had permanent makeup for them and have actually enjoyed it since I always had to use an eyebrow pencil. I have reddish blonde hair, fair skin and blue eyes. Every time I have had something done there is a side effect related to this. Red heads bleed easier, red heads don't wake up from anesthesia as easy, fair hair and fair skin people are more prone to osteo, etc. I'm just wondering if you all also have fair hair and skin. I'm just curious since this seems to be an uncommon condition. I'm the only one my doctor knows of who has this extreme hair problem. I will add that when I was on chemo, I lost every hair on my body except for my legs - how unfair is that?
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Hi! So glad you found us!
I am blonde, fair-skinned, and blue-green eyes. I am amazed that we are gradually finding one another and are able to share our stories. LOL! All hair - yep! i still have to shave my legs too! None - or I should say - sparse from there up. i think it is interesting that as the hair goes 'up' it decreases --- my doctor knows of no others either. He always said - if your nose hairs return so will your head hairs. [well some of them did].
If you will share your email with us - we have a smaller group that discusses, in more detail, things we have tried - what works - what doesn't - and our plans!
Hope you live in a 'cool' climate - here in Oklahoma - wigs are torture!
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I would love for you to put me on your email list. It is esmith@cn.edu Interesting about the nose hairs - I don't even know if I have any. I wanted to share with you the type of hairpiece that I wear. It's great if you have a little bit of hair because it has claw clips that snap onto your hair to hold it on. My hair dresser told me about them and that's how I got it. The website is topsecrethair.com - that's top secret hair. It is very cool and comfortable. Just a small area on top is a solid piece, but it's very breathable. It is much better than a full wig, especially in the summer. You can even color them, but you can't bleach them. I bought a blonde one and had it colored to match my hair - kind of a strawberry blonde. You can use a curling iron on them too. Unless you tell it, no one will know it's not your hair. Stay cool.
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Can anyone tell me about the massaging of the head to help the folicals come in I have done it but not sure if I am doing it correctly and it tends to make my head sore ha...I have some thin hair coming in and I wouold like a norm head full...I have dropped the wig too hot and my hair does alot better when I am not wearing it I was without it for over 3 weekds on medical business my expander out and new boob in and vacation combined and while the hair only had a ball cap it seemed to do alot better...
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hello - I massage my head daily with large - heavy massager about 15-20 minutes. the 'sore' spots are generally where you have tightness [therefore poor circulation] in your scalp. I move around to different spots on my head but keep coming back to those spots until the spots are no longer 'sore'. I have also been doing research on stimulating the scalp - found that using 'cold' water on scalp causes the capillaries to expand so more blood flows to try and 'warm' the skin back to normal temperature --- this warming is done by increase blood flow. I am trying everything! Anyone have other ideas that seem to be working?
I have a wig company trying to help with a new design - my hair is 'thick' [i hesitate to even use that word but can't think of another way to describe it] enough now that the wig 'slips' constantly but I still don't have enough hair to go without it.
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Great Okblessed can you tell me where you got your large massagers I only have a huge thing by homedics that is for your back or neck or leg I guess it would scramble what brain cells I have left it is electric and can you give me a idea where to purchase them? Please dont tell me a adult store we have only walmarts kmarts and walgreens in this little town but they have a adult store go figure ....ha
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LOLOL -- I have been using the homedics 'knock your brains out' one for the longest time! Just found a smaller one with attachments at a hospital gift shop - it is the one with 'scalp' attachment - I use the one with little rubber nubby tips - looks kinda like a flat brush [????]. I know what you mean about the 'sex' thing - everytime i tried to find one on the internet that is exactly where i ended up - then i learned to search 'scalp' massager and found some. The one I bought is by WAHL but there are several different brands.
All my friends tell me I am getting lots more hair --- and it is actually sticking up ALL over my head now - doesnt feel like the hair I remembered - and looks like 'bozo the clown' hair - but hey, right now, I will take any kind of hair. I even bought some hair color to try this weekend to see if I can dye some of the 'clear' hair mixed in with my dark blonde. I was just looking in the mirror and it seems that the 'sparse' area is narrowing to just the very front of my head instead of the entire top - maybe circulation really is the key to this.
Let me knoiw how you do!
Pam in very hot Oklahoma
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How many rounds of this did you have? I'm 3x[-], good surgical result, no mets, very little hair courtesy of Red Demon on previous BC treatment, facing taxotere--- hoping to keep/re-grow my eyelashes!!! ---
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My hair is growing and I am using a head massager its a old one and it seems to work well not sure if it will make it grow faster but you only have so much time to spend on it if you know what I mean ha I also ordered some Bioten vitiams off HSN by a guy named Andrew its for healthy hair and nails and skin so they were alot higher than the walmart brands but the reviews were very good I figured if it didnt make the hair grow it would help it be the healthist it can be so I am trying it for 200 pills worth you also get your money back if your not happy. I am so proud of the hair I am getting but ladies my hair was never straight and this hair is hmmm fun ....................................0
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If one more person tells me at least your ALIVE I know that dummy is what I want to say but I have gone through summer 08,fall08 winter 08and 09 spring 09 and now summer 09 its not that easy I have done almost every thing even the massaging I have a electric one my neighbor lent me and I try and do it every night so the picture of me is the electric massager on my head and the electric pump on my arm for the Lymphedema from the breast cancer is this isn't a beautiful sight I have come along way from the primping perfect weight lady I was to I need to loose 20 pounds etc and gain the hair...I did get my boob but now I have to go back next summer and get a nipple you would think they would have a all in one package oh well ....I did want to tell you I started a vitiam that cost 40.00 for 200 pills I take 2 a day I thought I would give it a try and its for Healthy hair and skin and nails so I have only started it about 5 days I will let you all know how it is working. I have been told to try Rogaine I wont do it your hair falls out when you stop it. I have ditched the wig for now so I have a pink and a white and a red ball cap those are my favorite colors to wear and the hair grew so much when I ditched the wig so I think it suffocated the hair. I am still very thin in spots and I can feel like whiskers coming in and my hair on my body parts are not coming back very fast at all. I was excited when I went to Boston to my sisters and my hair grew but now its slowed down since I came home. I am also doing the cold water rinse too to wake it up ....thanks for all the suggestions ladies too. I will post my picture I am going to the hair dressers this week to see if he will want to shape it sometimes hair grows better with a trim and its getting wild in areas by my ears...Another hair dresser told me in Boston to do this she said it also gives it a pattern to grow and it makes you feel better and we all want to feel better ..I have also signed up for a after cancer re hap class its 284.00 and they are suppose to work on you with weights and cardio for 12 weeks twice a week I thought this might give me a new lift with my baby of 3 sons moving out in August for college I have had kids in my House for almost 31 years I will survive ....my middle one said he would move back in NO....ha .
Maura
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Hi Maura!
So good to hear from another 'fighter'! I too am GLAD to be ALIVE but I would certainly feel HEALED if I had my hair back - and i emphasize MY HAIR - not this fuzz from the dryer vent stuff.
I have had no hair since 2007 and I totally agree - it is extremely frustrating. When I look in the mirror I feel like Bozo the Clown - hair [and I use that term loosely] sticking out around my ears. I am also going in for a haircut - I will do anything that may help. The massage seems to be helping my eyebrows a bit - I think I have two or three new hairs LOL!
Please - everyone - keep us posted on what you are trying, what seems to be helping, anything that takes us to a 'hairier' future.
Blessings! I am celebrating my birthday on Saturday - the THIRD one I was not predicted to have!
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Maura,
I just want to say AMEN to the "at least you are alive" comment. People who have not been through this do not understand what it means to get your hair back. I have had people tell me it is no big deal. Maybe they would like to shave their head and walk around in public??
I know they mean well and try to help me see the big picture, but I just want my own hair back to feel like I really made it through all of this successfully. I started chemo in 2004, finished in January 2005 and am still bald on top. I too am trying the massager - hope it works. I found a steroid cream that I am trying now. The side effect is excessive hair growth. It is called Kenalog cream. My onc told me to use it nightly for two weeks, then off for two weeks because it will break down your skin. I've been through one cycle so I can't tell yet if it is working. I start my second two weeks tonight and I'm going to use the massager with it. I'll let you all know if I get any results.
Happy Birthday Pam. Mine in next Thursday. Funny how they mean so much more now than they used to.
Elaine
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Thanks for your comments okblessed and Elaine I might talk with my onc. about the cream do I have to have a script for it at all? Please keep us updated on any improvements and yes its very discouraging but we cant let the treatments win we have to do anything we can to get us back. This site keeps me motivated..My close friends don't say at least your alive they are kinder than that they know not to complain about their hair either. Keep growing ...
Maura
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You do need a prescription. This is the link that tells about it http://www.drugs.com/cdi/kenalog-cream.html I hope this is the answer. Fingers crossed.
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esmith I was wondering if the Kenalog is helping your hair come in? I am still massaging and down to a ball cap but I have a long way to go out of chemo the 28th of next month August...but I was going to try the cream I have the vitiams not noticing too much from them but its only been a few weeks so I will be patient.
Have a nice weekend
Maura
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Hi enjoylife. I'm just on my second two weeks now, so I can't really see anything new yet. I have been putting the cream on and then using the massager with it. Hoping to get a double dose Ha! I'll keep you all informed and hey, I forget to tell you that this cream is on Wal-Mart's $4 list. My doctor wrote the rx for a large tube and I got three small tubes for $4. What a deal!! It's the generic brand, but I use generics a lot and can't tell that there is any difference. The active ingredient is the same. Have a great day!!
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I had no idea esmith1234 that you had to have a script for it so I am glad I am going to my ong for my blood work tomorrow I will ask him for it. I thought you could buy it over the counter. Thank God for Insurance my my bills would be awful without it I told everyone on campus I dont care if I get a raise I jsut want my INSURANCE and I dont want the presidents new plan I am too close to 60 I dont feel it most days but thy will delete me ha..
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Can someone tell me whn your hair goes from baby fine thin to feeling like real hair and not babys hair?
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Hi! That is exactly what this topic is all about. Many of us - after several years, have little or no hair return from using Taxotere. Mine is like baby hair after almost 3 years. Doesn't even cover my head.
We have come here to try and brainstorm avenues to stimulate research as to 'why' and 'what' we might be able to do to get our hair back.
It is not that we are not grateful to be alive - we absolutely are - but we want our hair back! Or, at least know 'why' and make sure that other women are informed about the drug and 'choose' to use it knowing that they may never have hair again.
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Oh my I was hoping my hair was coming in more and more which it is but thin and baby soft I hope it comes back soon I want to live again and its holding me back from going to alot of things and places if you know what I mean. This is part of staying well to get us back not a hot wig our hair stragjht or curly more hair than our babies had ...I hope somone can find a way for the hair to come in and I will let you know how the steriod cream does I dont look for much from it dont ask me why its my attiude I guess try this try that stand on your head for 3 hours and nothing works only kidding about standing on your head.
Good growing this weekend
Maura
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Good morning all. I too am worried about my hair and I haven't even started chemo yet. I'll probably be taking 4 cycles of Cytoxan and Taxotere starting in September. I curious about those of you whose hair hasn't returned, or returned but spotty -- how long was your chemo? I'm fine about losing my hair, even if it grows back and different color/texture. But, if it doesn't come back at all ... that's another story.
I guess I don't have to say that I'm happy to be alive, caught the cancer early and receiving very good care ... I'm not a vain woman, but my hair is one of my best features. It'll take extra effort to feel good about my appearance with one boob and no hair for the rest of my days.
Thanks everyone
Charlotte
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I hear you Charlotte I was on it from May 15th until August 28th of 2008 every 3 weeks and we shouldnt have to worry about it coming back its our crown so hopefully it will not happen to you and maybe someone will create someting to help our hair come back faster and evenly ....
Maura
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I am going for my first shapping tomorrow not that there is alot of hair there its pretty thin but I actually think the steriod cream is helping and massageing but its out of shape all around my ears probaly the most moeny this hairdresser will make a snip here and there and I am done ha
I need some miricle grow and would love to shed my ball cap when I am out its ridiculous its like it ruins any outfit glad I dont have any weddings coming up but I shoudl be blessed that I am here and I am but it would be great to have a head full of hair ...
Happy hair growing
Maura
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Hi Charlotte,
Good luck to you on your journey. My chemo was from August 2004 to January 2005 and very little hair on top of my head. This is due to taxotere. I still wear a hairpiece or a hat unless I am at home. Taxotere has affected a small percentage of us (I think 6.3%), but I have to say that it is devastating and it doesn't matter if it happens to 1 or 1,000,000. Please take a minute to go to Wikipedia and search for Taxotere. It will return the result Doxetaxel which is the same thing. It is a few pages long, but if you look toward the end at adverse effects you will find that hair loss is sometimes permanent. I would print this out and take it to your doctor because the pharmaceutical company does not tell them about this side effect either. Good Luck.
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Was going to go without a ball cap in a few weeks but like most I have a bald spot on the crown and someone in the office pointed it out that I still have a balled spot bigger than his How nice was that ...so its still ball cap time and I finished chemo August 28th 2008 Taxotre is awfull for my hair coming back...
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