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  • Nadine54
    Nadine54 Member Posts: 230
    edited June 2009

    Amyisstrong:  You are doing great...its hard but your getting it done.  Hard to watch others with different types of cancers (even ours) and know they are in such agony.  Hope the lady takes your advice. 

    Welcome to all our new members..truly sorry you have to be here.  However you came to a good place with tons of love and support.

    Now being 3 weeks and 2 days since my final chemo I can see some changes.   The changes are minimal but its progress.  I don't nap everyday now.  Food tastes like food again...and the sense of smell has returned to normal.  No more nose bleeds.  Hair is growing back....have short hairs that are dark, longer hairs are very light in color.  It takes some doing to see the hairs in the mirror but I can feel them.  Chemo brain seems to want to hang around.  Excessive weight isn't dropping off yet...still bloated as are my feet, ankles and legs.  I keep drinking tons of fluids.

    I can now really smile and know chemo is over and done.  I remember reading postings early on of others who had finished and thinking I would never be on the other side.  It does happen...hang in there and keep getting the treatments.  Its not a cake walk but it shall pass.  Wishing everyone mild SE's and looking forward to you joining the group of cancer survivors.

    With deepest respect to everyone,

    Nadine

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited June 2009

    I had my 4th and last TC on Tuesday. Yesterday and today can't get off the couch ... takes a lot of energy to get from bed to couch. Am waiting for the bone pain from Neulasta now but am taking Claritin and hope it won't be too bad. This fatigue is so debilitating ... I keep reminding myself it's the last one.

    A good weekend to all

  • lindatwo
    lindatwo Member Posts: 122
    edited June 2009

    Had my last TC on 6/11, and am so thankful to be done!!  Unfortunately, I am also very impatient.  My legs, ankles, and feet are so swollen and uncomfortable, I can't seem to get to sleep at night, and now the bottoms of my feet are starting to hurt.  To top it off, I woke up this morning with a broken blood vessel in my eye.  I was quite a sight, bald, mis-matched boobs, one bright red eye, missing eyelashes, fat swollen body. 

    Oh yeah, and Tammy, my fingernails hurt.  (They hurt after the 3 tx too, and I remembered the onco nurse telling me before my first treatment to wear clear nail hardner, which I've done ever since.)  I noticed the woman next to me at my treatment this last time had lost all of her nails.

    Today I decided I needed to get out and do some yard work.  After watering and trimming some bushes and trees, I decided to dig out around the base of our trees. I got half-way around one tree and realized that I just absolutely could not physically do it. Finally I went in the house and just burst into tears.  I have been teary all day.  You would think with treatment being over, I would be thrilled, but I just want it to be OVER!  Like the rest of you, I want my old life back. (With hair!)

    Nadine,  Now that you are a couple of weeks ahead of me, did you have any these feelings? Just wondering if this is a normal reaction; I didn't expect to feel this way.

     Hope you are all SE free and having a great summer.  Seems like everyone is having rain unless you happen to live in Seattle!

    Linda

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited June 2009

    Lindatwo ... I am feeling exactly the same.... crying, depressed, numbness in my fingers and feet. Feel like I look subhuman - no boobs, no hair, fat swollen belly....no energy, food tastes terrible ...I despair of ever having my old life back......don't even know if I will ever be the same person. This is my second primary breast cancer ... thought that I had beaten it before but don't think I ever will now. I also thought that following last treatment I'd feel better but I'm not.

    It's a sunny, warm day in Toronto. Yesterday rained all day.

  • Nadine54
    Nadine54 Member Posts: 230
    edited June 2009

    Lindagtwo:  I am with you on your posting.  I had thought once the SE's were done then all would be done.  What a sad illusion I had.  And as far as doable and tolerable....heck no on that count!  I found out when I have a burst of energy and try to work in the yard I get tired real fast.  How I would love to work in my yard like the o'l days.  So far I choose not to drive because of the sleeping medicine and depression med...don't trust myself.  And would love to ride my motorcycle but then no hair for the breeze to blow through.  I hope to ride even around the block once before summer is over and with no hair a helmet will be a must...Idaho has the helmet law only for people under 18. 

    Would love to take something to help the hair grow faster but afraid at this point to take anything not approved first.

    We will get through this ladies somehow.

    Nadine

  • txgal
    txgal Member Posts: 58
    edited June 2009

    Add me to the list that have finished this round.  I completed my fourth FAC on Friday and I couldn't wait to get out of there.  I rang the bell, hugged the chemo nurses and then we all agreed we never wanted to see each other again.  I then went down the hall to have the CVC removed which took all of five minutes and no pain.  I have about four weeks off and then start radiation, which at this point I'm not even thinking about...I just want the body and mind to heal a little while before the next thing starts.  Congrats to all who have finished.  To those that are getting closer to being done everyday...there is light at the end of the tunnel, it's NOT an oncoming train, and you WILL get through this!

  • lindatwo
    lindatwo Member Posts: 122
    edited June 2009

    Helen & Nadine, Thanks for your replies.  I am better today, my DH reminded me that it's only been a little over a week, and of course the last treatment is still killing cells in my body.  I need to just take one day at a time and do what I can.  Thankfully I work at a school and will now have time off for the summer.  So instead of lamenting my old life and summer travels, I guess I'll just be thankful that I don't have to drag myself into work each day. (I was lucky to make it through a full day of work and get a simple dinner cooked, that was ALL I have been able to do for months.) Now maybe I can do something enjoyable each day instead!

    Helen, I am so sorry that this is your second trip through this valley.  I have often said that if I get cancer again, I'm not sure I'll be able to face treatment a second time. That is the worst thing about this awful disease.......you can never be sure you are cured or that it won't re-occur. I take my hat off (well, maybe I shouldn't do that just yet!) to you.  Hope you have many sunny days this summer in Toronto to brighten your mood a lbit.

    Nadine, where in Idaho do you live?  I have family in Boise, Coeur d' Alene, and my dad just moved from Kooskia.

     If it weren't for safety, I'd say ride the motorcycle without the helmet.  If the breeze feels that good blowing through your hair, just think of how good it would feel against your bare skin. Although I do wear a wig and hats,  I sport the bald look whenever possible!

    Linda

  • florbo
    florbo Member Posts: 178
    edited June 2009

    hrf -Congratulations on finishing your chemo.  I couldn't get out of bed for a week after my last treatment on 6/5.  The fatigue is still lingering.  My body can't keep up with my head.

     txgal--I loved how you got to ring the bell!

    I'm so proud of everyone! 

  • comingtoterms
    comingtoterms Member Posts: 421
    edited June 2009
    Thank goodness I have all of you to share with.  I hate whining at home.  They told us the A/C would be the hard part, but for me, compared to this, it was a walk in the park.   I have spent the better part of the last week in bed or on the couch with three days of horrific bone pain:  Taxol, the enemy.  I am so exhausted - never before in my life have I experienced such overwhelming fatigue.  I was a busy,active,involved mother/wife/employee/friend who has evolved into someone I don't even recognize anymore.  Today, for the first time in close to a week, I tried a pilates tape and was gasping for air and needed to lie down immediately after.   I am just feeling so defeated!  If this is what the next three rounds are going to be like, will I even be able to get out of bed this summer?  Home with kids and a mother who is  a slug...... ugh......I HATE THIS!!!  (Has anyone else had secret thoughts about just quitting now)?  I want to.......  Tammy
  • Nadine54
    Nadine54 Member Posts: 230
    edited June 2009

    Lindatwo:  I am so glad you are doing better.  Its a tough road to go thats for sure.  I keep telling myself it shall pass.  (Wish it would move faster!)  I live in Cambridge, two hours from Boise.  I have troubles walking due to the edema being so bad and my balance is off so probably not a good idea to go for a motorcycle ride.  Don't need road rash thats for sure.

    To Everyone:  Congratulations to all who has recently finished their treatments. 

    I wanted to quit after the first treatment but kept plugging along until I was finished.  Even as hard as it was I am glad I finished.  I wish there were guarantees that the cancer is gone.  That is my fear, the unknown.  All we can do is live every day to the fullest and hope and pray we are cured.  I often tell DH that I don't know if I can go down this road again.  Guess if need be I will make that decision if it should be in my face again.  I just try to keep a positive outlook on the whole situation. 

    Hope everyone had a good weekend.  Here in my little Idaho town its once again cloudy and looks like more rain.  Its been downright cold and windy here with bucks of rain.  Supposed to warm up and actually be summer...not holding my breath on that one.  Warm weather would be wonderful as long as it doesn't add to the swollen legs, feet and ankles.

    Nadine :))

  • aris
    aris Member Posts: 124
    edited June 2009

    Tammy, how many Taxol's have you had? I was really beat for the first two and thought it was a cold I had caught, but my blood counts are very low. The nurse thinks it is the AC still doing it's thing and that would explain the fatigue. I am pretty tired too, but after 3 Taxol/Herceptins, I'm starting to feel a bit better. However, this week my counts were even lower.

    I haven't thought about quitting, I worry about a recurrance and think there is no way I could go through this again. And I'm completely overwhelmed at the thought of how long this will continue (Taxol through August, Herceptin through next spring and rads in the fall, not to mention the AI/Tamoxifen discussion).  It is too much!

     I just wanted you to know you are not alone. Try to get some rest when you can. I, too, have kids at home and it's discouraging since summer is here and I know they are used to me taking them places and doing fun things. This summer, that's what camp is for!

     Pam

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2009

    comingtoterms,

    Have you tried taking Claritin the day before your tx and for 5 days after.  I know alot of women on this board have tried this and have not had to deal with the bone pain.  I tried it with my first one and had absolutely no pain except for a little lower back pain one day.  I just had my second Taxol today and took the Claritin, haven't had enough time to see if it works but since I was good the first time I didn't want to mess with it and so am doing the same.  I'm on the DD 4AC & 4T.  I hope you can get some relief.   I had asked my onc about the Claritin and she had never heard of it and I know others who have said the same, but since it is OTC and I sometimes take it for seasonal allergies I figured I'd try it.  Thinking of you and hoping you make it through, I'd hate to see you stop when the end is in sight.  HUGS, Dawn

  • comingtoterms
    comingtoterms Member Posts: 421
    edited June 2009

    Dawn and Pam,

    Thanks for your good tips - I will try the Claritin next time.  It is certainly far healthier than the script for narcotics I had filled after the last bout!  I don't like the idea of being on heavy duty painrelievers -  I have had only one Taxol, so I need to give myself an intense attitude adjustment.  I won't be a "dropout" - I guess I just wanted to $%#^& to someone.   I will hang in until I am like Nadine - 3 weeks out and starting to see the light of day!  Thanks gals,  Tammy

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2009

    Tammy,

    When do you have your second Taxol?  We must be pretty close together on treatments.  I also noticed that you were diagnosed in Jan., I was also, just a few weeks after you.  Keep us posted on how you fare through your second tx, I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. So nice that we can all come here to vent.  It means so much when I hear others who have had similar experiences as sometimes you feel that you must be the only one, and the tips that I have gotten here have been lifesavers.  Keep your chin upSmileHUGS, Dawn

  • jeezy
    jeezy Member Posts: 32
    edited June 2009

    Hi all... just checking in.  It's been a few weeks since I've been on.  Tx #4 last Thursday and I'm completely drained.  I have about 5-6 days that I can do virtually nothing.  It takes all I can do to walk to the bathroon and back to the couch...I'm out of breath and my hearts is beating like crazy.  I guess it is the anemia.  Does anyone else run a 99.5-100 degree temp during the week after?  

    I'm also like everyone else I ready to finish this so I can feel better.  I had 5 great days right before my treatment and I think I could have acomplished anything.  I hope I have that again this time.

    I'm continuing to pray for all of you and for those of you that have finished God Bless and I wish you all great health.  For the rest of us...hang on we are getting close.

  • jeezy
    jeezy Member Posts: 32
    edited June 2009

    Leslie,

    Thanks so much for the information and it is very helpful.  My temp like yours is usually on the lower side, but the week after chemo it can go pretty high.  Last night it reached about 100 and I broke out into a huge sweat and it went down.  I also find it goes up with activity.

    Jeezy 

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited June 2009

    I haven't taken my temperature even once since starting chemo. Am I supposed to? I thought only if I didn't feel well or something. They made a big fuss about calling if you have a fever, but they never said when to monitor it. Reading about you ladies made me realize  I have never done it. You all have a much better sense of your body temps and fluctuations than I do.  I did buy a new digital thermometer though - so it is here if needed.  Should I be checking? How often? Do you keep a running journal of readings?

    Damn there is an awful lot to think about.

    BUT I have to say - am on day 6 post-tx#4 and these digestive enzymes I am taking are REALLY making a difference. NO GI problems or cramping AT ALL. I am thrilled.  Of course I still feel crappy, but at least not those awful cramps. I hope it stays like this. I am very relieved.

  • ikat
    ikat Member Posts: 128
    edited June 2009

    Bombus how are things going. I hope all is well. 

    I was delayed with my last chemo till yesterday.  

    kathy 

  • lindatwo
    lindatwo Member Posts: 122
    edited June 2009

    I think I took my temp once during treatment, and when I saw the onc, I told him my temp usually runs around 97 point something, and it was 98.7 at the time.  He told me that no matter what your temp normally is, you do not have a temperature unless you are over 99. (I had a huge blister looking thing on my foot, and felt feverish and sick at the time.)  After that, I just skipped taking my temp at all.

    Just wondering now that some of us are done with chemo, what are everone's plans for five year hormone blocking meds?? I am dreading the side effects of Arimidex, especially bone loss, since I have Osteopenia already. I won't see the onco for another couple of weeks, so thought I'd get some other opinions before I go!

    Linda

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited June 2009

    Temperature could be sign of infection so if feel feverish you should check. Otherwise, no need to monitor. First time I had bc and did chemo, it was a problem and at one point I did  have to go to hospital for antibiotic - they kept me for a few days. This round, lots of SEs but fever has not been a problem.

    Even though I'm postmenopausal (had my ovaries removed 4 years ago - BRCA2+) my onc want me to start 2 years of Tamoxifen so that's what I'll do. It is apparently a recommended approach even for us postmenopausal women.

  • Titan
    Titan Member Posts: 2,956
    edited June 2009

    First Taxol yesterday...It was a very long process but I felt so much better when I left than I ever did with AC.  I feel better today too!  I asked the Doctor about possible side effects and I am to call if I experience any tingling or numbness in my hands and feet...I know it is has been only 24 hours but it seems already sooo much better than the AC!  Three more to go then radation for...plus I still have to take that darn shot of Neulasta!

    Speaking of people that say stupid things..My sister in law(who had breast cancer) likes to remind me every time that I talk to her that I have breast cancer...like I don't know..!  It's always in the back of my mind but I don't have to think about it ALL the time..there are too many other things to do!

  • Lesleyanne67
    Lesleyanne67 Member Posts: 225
    edited June 2009

    Coming to terms

    I have not thought about quitting and the Taxol is VERY different than the AC the infusion was longer and knocked me out.  Then I felt pretty good Thurs night after the infusion and Friday.  Sat eve the bone pain you described hit and literlally I could do NOTHING Sun or Mon but lay in bed.  I thought it was horrible.  I did the Claritin it did not help and even NArcotics, Alevel, Advil did not help....

    I did not get pain from Neulasta and have had few side effects except bad mouth and throat sores the 3rd round of AC so overall my side effects not so bad BUT the bone pain ugggh it has been one week today and I still have mild pain....only 3 rounds to go I will make it

    I am definitely losing my eyebrows and lashes on Taxol.  Get my counts today to see if I need Neulasta.  MY white count was always good on AC but I had Neulasta.  If my counts are good no more Neulasta,,,

    Hang in there everyone.

    Regards

    Lesley

  • lindatwo
    lindatwo Member Posts: 122
    edited June 2009

    Helen,

    Were you post menopausal with your first diagnosis?  Did you do Tamoxifen then also?  I'm just trying to make up my mind, so other's experiences might help me with that.  I think my dr. is thinking of Armidex. I'm wondering which would be more beneficial for me, and exactly what the differences are.

    Hey Lesley, I just realized that you live in Reno.  I live in Fernley and am receiving my treatment in Reno.  What oncologist do you see?

    Linda

  • Lesleyanne67
    Lesleyanne67 Member Posts: 225
    edited June 2009

    Linda Two

    I am on the far NW side of Reno I actually go to Tahoe Forest Cancer in Truckee and see Dr Heifetz.  My significant other actually works in the cancer center up there.

    Hope all is going well for you.  I have 3 chemos left then bilateral Mx at St Mary's then 3 weeks later oopherectomy I am BRCA positive.  The chemo threw me into menopause but I am 41 so I was not in menopause before this but because of the BRCA and I had elevated CA 125 marker they are taking the ovaries but not at the same time as the Mx too much surgery as I have multiple nodes and likely full axillary node dissection.  YEAH - NOT.

    In any case then I will have 6 weeks of radiation.  I was hoping to never start Tamoxifen since they are taking the ovaries anywat I did not want to start Tamox then switch to Arimidex....

    Chat you later.  Maybe we can meet in person after all this.  I did meet someone who was farther ahead of me just 2 weeks of radiation left her bilateral Mx is done and she had the same dose dense chemo AC and taxol as me.  She was a ifesaver telling me what to possibly expect.  As no two people are the same but she shared her experience and was INCREDIBLY supportive.  We have gotten together about 5 times.  I met her before my first treatment and right when she was in the middle of her chemo.  She had her Mx first she was stage 1 since I am 3A I had to have the neo adjuvant...

    Warm Regards

    Lesley

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited June 2009
    Lindatwo ... at my first diagnosis I was at early stage menopause but because bc was triple negative I was not a candidate for hormone therapy. However, because I am BRCA2+ I did have my ovaries and tubes removed to avoid ovarian cancer. Had it done at the end of chemo & rads. This second bc has a totally different pathology.
  • aris
    aris Member Posts: 124
    edited June 2009

    I had my 4th Taxol/Herceptin this week. It hasn't been too bad. Last night I was achey and had a tough time sleeping. I'm thrilled not to have nausea, though. I noticed yesterday that my eyebrows are coming out. I've been waiting for this to happen, it was just a matter or time, right?

     Aside from being tired, I'm doing okay, I have a lot more energy than when I was on the A/C and am happy that my blood counts are up a tiny bit. My problem at this point is overdoing it. I have been doing a lot more and on Friday I was exhausted. I think I need to pace myself a bit more.

    I hope everyone is doing okay, this is tough to go through and for some reason, it seems a lot tougher in the summer!

    Pam

  • comingtoterms
    comingtoterms Member Posts: 421
    edited June 2009

    Pam, are you losing your eyelashes too?  It must feel wonderful to be at the end! Tammy

  • Paula3558
    Paula3558 Member Posts: 63
    edited June 2009

    Hi Everyone,

    I'm just starting to come out of the chemo fog. Spent 4 days in bed with no energy and no ability to concentrate. I believe this treatment knocked me on my butt because I didn't hydrate enough before the chemo treatment. I usually drink de-caffinated liquids two to three days before treatment and have felt pretty good the day of chemo. Usually the side effects of feeling out of it and achy didn't start until the second day after my TAC treatment. This time I went to the zoo with my grandkids the day before treatment. I felt great the weather was beautiful and warm. Didn't really think about it, but was drinking iced green tea (caffinated). I think that is what made all the difference in how I felt. Lesson learned don't over do it the day before treatment and hydrate. I had a great time with my grandkids and enjoyed every minute of our day together.

    I have one more chemo treatment to go. Last dose of TAC is July 16th. Thank God. My Oncologist wants me to start a cancer study for three years with iv Zometa (once a month) to decrease the risk of reoccurence and bone loss. Anyone else familiar with this study. I need to do research on the side effects of this to see if it's worth it. I'm so tired of feeling like crap.

      

  • aris
    aris Member Posts: 124
    edited June 2009

    Tammy,

    My eyelashes have been thinning very slowly, so I still have some, but much less than I usually do. 

     I so wish I was done with the Taxol, but I'm not. I'm one of the people who are getting weekly Taxol (with Herceptin) for 12 weeks. So 8 more to go!  It is going by fairly quickly, though. 

     My kids were talking last night about how long since I found out I had cancer and how long since I've been having chemo.  It has been awhile and even though right now it feels endless, the time does go by faster than I think it will.

    I have some hair growth coming in, it's fuzzy and not all over. I don't know if this is real hair coming in or more hair that will soon fall out. I guess only time will tell.

    Pam

  • stephanie1
    stephanie1 Member Posts: 131
    edited June 2009

    Hi Pam

    I have #5 Taxol tomorrow - I too can't believe how fast it is really going. My eyebrows have started falling out too. Only have a few left. Same as you my eyelashes are thinning but I still have plenty. I dont have any hair growth on my head yet : ( anyday I am hoping.

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