Triple Negative TAC need advise

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sandra67
sandra67 Member Posts: 10

Been diagnosed with stage 1 idc invasive grade 3 triple negative breast cancer. I will be starting TAC chemo Monday, June 8th. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. I'm scared of side effects and how to combat them. Thank you.

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  • LRM216
    LRM216 Member Posts: 2,115
    edited June 2009

    Hi Sandra - I am so sorry you have had to join us.  I too am triple neg, 1.2 cm, stage 1, grade III IDC, no nodes involved.  I have just finished my second A/C (out of 4) and have had minimal side effects, other than I go neutropenic after each one, even with the Neulasta shot!  I tell you this only because this is what all of us hope doesn't happen to us during chemo and after my first, I was hospitalized with neutropenia and cellulitis of my healing breast for 4 days!  Not so much fun, but it was all doable - and that is my point.  Even though my has not gone smoothly, I am still fine, working and doing well.  They tell me that I should bypass these problems when I start the Taxol - I'm sure hoping.  Good luck to you, I promise you will get through this.  Hugs to you.

    Linda

  • Gramof3
    Gramof3 Member Posts: 301
    edited June 2009

    Hi Sandra,

    My dx was very similar to Linda's.  I completed my 4 AC tx with minimal side effects, except for the neutropenia.  I had Neulasta shots after tx 2-4 and that brought my white counts up significantly.  Luckily, I didn't end up in the hospital as Linda did!  As of Friday, I've finished No. 5 of the 12 Taxol tx.  Again, few side effects, other than my hemoglobin is low, so I've been concentrating on iron-rich foods and that has helped a lot.  The steroids with the Taxol have made me somewhat hyper for a few days after tx, but I'm working and leading a fairly normal life.  I just have to rest  more than I did before, and have learned when to push things and when to back off. 

    Are they giving you anti-nausea drugs?  I had a pill to take days 1-3 (Emend), plus they put anti-nausea drugs in an IV before they started the A/C.  Also, do you have a Port? 

    My advice is to follow whatever instructions they give you AND if you do experience nausea get on the phone and CALL your onc or nurse immediately.  I had absolutely no nausea, but you'll need to be your own advocate and PUSH them if you think something is wrong.  Take care.  Helen

  • pdaw
    pdaw Member Posts: 202
    edited June 2009

    Sandra,

    I too, am sorry that you've had to join this site, but rest assured that we are all fighting together.  I have learned so much by listening to others on this site.  Make sure that you visit the forum, "Chemo-Before, During and After".  There's a wonderfu shopping list of items that will help you get through it.  I have not done the shopping yet, but plan to prior to my first treatment.  I will begin my treatments the end of June or first of July.  Like you, I am scared, but really ready to get started so that I can see how it's going to affect me.  The mind frame that I'm using is:  Everyone is different - it's kind of like having a baby - everyone's experience is going to be different so try to think positive until you have a reason not to.  Also, I equate it to getting a prescription filled.  If you thought all the side effects that are listed on the infor sheet the pharmacist provides were going to happen - then you would never take the meds.  At least, I probably would not. 

    There's also another discussion group that I'm following closely is "starting chemo June 09"  This group of ladies are all starting in June - I'm listening to what they have to say to prepare myself.  I encourage you to join this discussion.

    pdaw

  • jaciruth
    jaciruth Member Posts: 10
    edited June 2009

    I did the TAC regiment 4 years ago and doing well so far.  The best things I did was make sure I drank plenty of water--not just when you feel thirsty.  I would put a big mug of ice water by my bed at night and would try to have most of it gone by morning.  I would also keep water with me all the time.  I couldn't handle some waters but for me I found that I could tolerate aquafina.  I tried other types of drinks but couldn't stand the sweetness in them.  I also kept hand santizer with me all the time and wiped down any shopping carts or other things I had to handle in public places.  Are you having all three at one time or doing the AC and then the T?

    Jackie

  • sandra67
    sandra67 Member Posts: 10
    edited June 2009

    Hi Jackie I'm having all three done at the same time. Scary, but I'm so grateful for everyones advise.

  • zuffa
    zuffa Member Posts: 95
    edited June 2009

    I was Stage III TN - after surgery the path report said my tumor was over 15cm.  Had 16 lymphnodes removed as well.  I took 6 cycles of TAC and had a complete pathologic response (remission) -- when pathology was done after surgery there as no sign of cancer anywhere.  TAC is worth it -- having the 3 drugs administered simultaneously is a very aggressive form of treatment for aggressive cancer.  The side effects are manageable and your oncology team will help you -- tell them about anything you experience.  I was given Emend (3 pills each cycle) which is the anti-nausea wonder drug and also Aloxi in my pre-meds.  I never had a bit of nausea.  Ask your oncologist about these if they are not already prescribed for you.  What Jackie said about drinking water is spot on.  I drank a gallon of water two days before, day of and 3 days after each infusion and the rest of time time averaged around 64 oz. per day.  Water helps your system process the chemicals -- and it also helps keep your digestive tract and bowels moving.  I was also given the Neulasta shot after each cycle.  I worked throughout chemo, had my infusion on Weds. the Neulasta on Thurs. took Friday off and went back to work the following Monday. The rest of the time, I made sure to drink at least 50 oz. per day. 

    TAC was not the most fun I've ever had....but in my case, the results were extraordinary and I went from a poor prognosis to an excellent one. 

    Most importantly -- listen to your body -- it will tell you what it needs.  Good luck to you.

  • sandra67
    sandra67 Member Posts: 10
    edited June 2009

    Hi Zuffa: So glad to hear about your experience with remission with TAC. I wanted to tell you that I'm on my way to drinking that gallon of water you suggested, but I'm living in the bathroom. Funny they ordered me. Compazine for nausea as first option, zofran and as third emend, but they only gave me two pack. Wish it was the other way around because I'm a nausea sissy.

  • jaciruth
    jaciruth Member Posts: 10
    edited June 2009

    Try to get them to give you the dissolvable 8 mg zofran.  I got the amoxi in the iv---think that's pretty standard but then I used the zofran.   I tried compazine once the first time and it worked fine but wiped me out so I could hardly think.  I'm an RN and have seen several patients have this same side effect and we don't use compazine much because of that.  Phenergan works okay but it makes you very tired.  The dissolvable zofran worked well for me---didn't have much of an appetite but never did throw up.  I usually did well the day after chemo and then had a few days with no energy.  I also had the neulasta shot the day after every treatment and it helped but my counts still went to nothing each time.  I just figured that meant all the cancer cells were dying as well.  Good luck tomorrow.

  • pdaw
    pdaw Member Posts: 202
    edited June 2009

    Sandra - you will be my thoughts and prayers tomorrow.  Best wishes.  Keep in touch!

    Pam

  • sandra67
    sandra67 Member Posts: 10
    edited June 2009

    zuffa, i think your amazing. I'm on day 2 no crazy nausea been keeping everything under control. You are really an inspiration to me as I walk the same steps you do and knowing how well you have managed. my biggest problem right now is staying hydrated everything taste terrible!! and I know having only one kidney staying hydrated is very imporant. How long does this nasty taste in the mouth last. Also I keep hearing ladies going thru neutrophonic. Not sure what that is or when it happens can you tell me a little bit about it. Say after 6 to 7 days am I in the clear of this??? Thanks Zuffa appreciate all input. Sandra

  • sandra67
    sandra67 Member Posts: 10
    edited June 2009

    Hi Sandra can you please tell me what is neutropia and when did you get it from the day you got infused??? I'm on day two and other than a horrible taste in my mouth and just feeling achy I guess I'm ok. today I go for the neuplasta shot. Having a hard time drinking water that's probably the toughest so far. Trying to gargle with water and baking soda so I don't get mouth sores. Any suggestions appreciated. Thank you Sandra

  • Joan2844
    Joan2844 Member Posts: 21
    edited June 2009

    Hi Sandra... I had TAC almost three years when I was dx with stage 2b trip-neg bc.

    You mention not being able to drink water b/c of the bad taste. Yes, I recall that. Try lemonade, gatorade. Experiment until you find what works for you. I am sorry to tell you that the bad taste will be around until chemo is finished.... 

    You also asked about neutropenia. This refers to your blood counts become low, and I think this happens within 5-7 days of chemo. Then your body begins to rebuild itself -- just in time for you to receive your next dose!  

    I am happy to answer any questions you have, but also want to encourage you that it was not nearly as bad as I had thought it might be. I did not have problems with nausia, and hardly used the meds they gave me (I did take Emend though; I think that was very helpful). 

    I will tell you that for each chemo date I took (1) something to read, (2) snacks and (3) my ipod. Often I tried to visit, but sometimes did not feel like it. The ipod was useful because people understand then that conversation is not going to happen. Many folks took crafts to work on, etc. Chemo days and the next day or two after are some of your best days sometimes --  make use of them. 

     Good luck on your journey. You will be fine! God's blessing to you!  

  • carolketay
    carolketay Member Posts: 1
    edited July 2009

    I was diagnosed with Triple Neg, same as yours, IDC, Stage 1, grade 3. in Nov. 2007. Lumpectomy followed by chemo.  But I was afraid of the AC followed by T because there was a small risk of heart failure.  So I chose just CT,  followed by radiation.  Thought I was out of  the woods, but now have just foundout I have Stage IV metastatic BC in the pleura, with Malignant Pleural Effusion.  a real nasty case.  So I'mn sorry I didn't do the ACT (I would think that's same as TAC).  Go for the big guns now while you can.

  • Indomitable1
    Indomitable1 Member Posts: 253
    edited July 2009

    Carolketay- So sorry about the mets. Will keep you in prayer with goal of NED. Thanks so much for sharing. Although sandra67 posted the question, your opinion is greatly valued by all of your triple neg sisters.

    Sandra67-hope you're tolerating TAC well with minimal SEs.

  • HollyHopes
    HollyHopes Member Posts: 497
    edited July 2009

    Dear Sandra - i did dose dense AC followed by T and then 35 rads....we will all be here to help you through the journey....

    Carolketay - ugh...mets...our worst nightmare...blessings and love...who knows which one of us will be next??  

  • ddlatt
    ddlatt Member Posts: 448
    edited July 2009

    sandra, just sent you a PM.  don't worry about which of us will be next with mets. that kind of negative thinking is not healthy or helpful. 

  • kellyless
    kellyless Member Posts: 68
    edited July 2009

    If you have nausea call the doc immediately and try another drug, everyone is different, zofran, emend - switch if one isn't helping.  Compazine & Zofran together did best for me.  If you experience bone pain after the Neulasta - call the doc immediately about that as well.  Don't suffer, try the pain meds.  I didn't start the bone pain until I started the Taxol (after 4 A/C) and pain meds helped tremendously.  Try chomping ice while you get your infusion, it can lesson the mouth sores and nasty metallic taste.  I would switch to lemonade and rasberry ice tea (caffiene free, don't need to add to the steroid jitters) when I couldn't stomach water with the nasty taste in my mouth.  Also, the alcohol free mouth washes you can by OTC at the drug store really can help, Biotene, etc.  Try eating Rolaids at regular intervals as well, really helped me with the woozy tummy.  If it throws you into menapause if you are pre-menapausal, and you get the hot flashes, make sure you talk to your doc before you take ANYTHING for it, including herbs.  Things like Black Cohosh are a no-no.  I went on Effexor, for both my "mood" and my hot flashes and it's helped.  My doc had noticed I was getting a bit blue & down after the 4 A/C - the monster hot flashes weren't helping, and she suggested it.

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