Is there a need for an "Elephant Sisters" thread?

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2009

    Hey Elephant Sisters, if you get a chance, can you please pop over to Lisa's thread, and Hannah's thread?  Things are still a bit sucky for both and I know they could use us for some leaning (especially Lisa, who is dealing with a cast on her foot!). 

    Trunks Up!  Let's go, Ladies! I mean, Elephants! 

  • hollyann
    hollyann Member Posts: 2,992
    edited May 2009

    Good morning Whoopsie!...I will pop over there as soon as I get back from work!.......

  • ICanDoThis
    ICanDoThis Member Posts: 1,473
    edited May 2009

    Whoops - I remember when Annie was first told she had metastases. So glad we could be there for her.

    You are a special dear, and I'm honored to link trunks with ya!

     Sue

  • hollyann
    hollyann Member Posts: 2,992
    edited May 2009

    Hi Elephant SIsters!........Hope you all are having a great day!........Happy Memorial Day!......

    Hugs and love...Elephant Sister Lucy

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2009

    Where is Lisa's thread?

    Hi Elephant Sisters!

  • hollyann
    hollyann Member Posts: 2,992
    edited May 2009

    Hello Elephant Sisters!...Hope you had a GREAT day!.............

  • dreamwriter
    dreamwriter Member Posts: 3,255
    edited May 2009

    I do not know how to be an Elephant Sister.  .... am I a failure?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2009

    First of all, Dreamwriter-you are totally a Queen Elephant!  Not only have you linked your trunk with other elephants, the beautiful gem you (and Saint) wrote to me made you an Executive Elephant.  If you happen to have forgotten what you told me as I wallowed in self-pity, peek at my signature line.  You guys came to my side, hoisted me up with your gleaming white tusks, and made sure I got back up to keep on going. 

    Sorry about breaking your tusk off, by the way.  I've been eating a little too much grass lately.

    I copied the Wikipedia stuff from the first page in case you missed it!  It really is amazing! 

    Okay, so I got a little something to send to sisters who need a little extra!  They are little pink elephants (originally meant to dangle from your wine glass, but we will give them a new purpose!).  So, if you guys get the addy of sisters who need to know we are here, please PM me, and I will send them a pink Elephant.  Yay! 

    Laura, I will post the Lisa thread (although I suck at actually making a link work!!!!!).   EDIT TO ADD: Since I suck at links, if you search for LisaSDCA you'll get to it)

    I now officially love Elephants.  Amazing stuff.   I got this from Wikipedia...

    The elephant has one of the most closely knit societies of any living species. Elephant families can only be separated by death or capture. Cynthia Moss, an elephant researcher, recalls an event involving a family of African elephants. Two members of the family were shot by poachers, who were subsequently chased off by the remaining elephants. Although one of the elephants died, the other, named Tina, remained standing but with knees beginning to give way. Two family members, Trista and Teresia (Tina's mother) walked to both sides of Tina and leaned in to hold her up. Eventually, Tina grew so weak she fell to the ground and died. However, Trista and Teresia did not give up but continually tried to lift her. They managed to get Tina into a sitting position, but her body was lifeless and fell to the ground again. As the other elephant family members became more intensely involved in the aid, they tried to put grass into Tina's mouth. Teresia then put her tusks beneath Tina's head and front quarters and proceeded to lift her. As she did so, her right tusk broke completely off, right up to the lip and nerve cavity. The elephants gave up trying to lift Tina but didn't leave her; instead, they began to bury her in a shallow grave and throw leaves over her body. They stood over Tina for the night, and then began to leave in the morning. The last to leave was Teresia[15].

    Because elephants are so closely knit and highly matriarchal, a family can be devastated by the death of another (especially a matriarch) and some groups never recover their organization. Cynthia Moss has observed a mother, after the death of her calf, walk sluggishly at the back of a family for many days[15].

    Edward Topsell stated in his publication, The History of Four-Footed Beasts in 1658 that "There is no creature among all the Beasts of the world which hath so great and ample demonstration of the power and wisdom of almighty God as the elephant[16]."

    [edit] Elephant altruism

    Elephants are thought to be highly altruistic animals that will even aid other species, including humans, in distress. In India, an elephant was helping locals lift logs by following a truck and placing the logs in pre-dug holes upon instruction from the mahout (elephant trainer). At a certain hole, the elephant refused to lower the log. The mahout came to investigate the hold up and noticed a dog sleeping in the hole. The elephant only lowered the log when the dog was gone[17].

    Cynthia Moss has often seen elephants going out of their way to avoid hurting or killing a human, even when it was difficult for them (such as having to walk backwards to avoid a person).

    Joyce Poole documented an encounter told to her by Colin Francombe on Kuki Gallman's Laikipia Ranch. A ranch herder was out on his own with camels when he came across a family of elephants. The matriarch charged at him and knocked him over with her trunk, breaking one of his legs. In the evening, when he didn't return, a search party was sent in a truck to find him . When the party discovered him, he was being guarded by an elephant. The animal charged the truck, so they shot over her and scared her away. The herdsman later told them that when he couldn't stand up, the elephant used her trunk to lift him under the shade of a tree. She guarded him for the day and would gently touch him with her trunk[8].

    [edit] Self medication

    Further information: Zoopharmacognosy

    Elephants in Africa will self-medicate by chewing on the leaves of a tree from the Boraginaceae family, which induces labor. Kenyans also use this tree for the same purpose[18].

    [edit] Death ritual

    Elephants are the only other species other than humans and neanderthals[19] known to have a ritual around death. They show a keen interest in the bones of their own kind (even unrelated elephants that have died long ago). They are often seen gently investigating the bones with their trunks and feet, and remaining very quiet. Sometimes elephants that are completely unrelated to the deceased will still visit their graves.[4] When an elephant is hurt, other elephants (also even if they are unrelated) will aid them.[8]

    Martin Meredith recalls an occurrence in her book about a typical elephant death ritual that was witnessed by Anthony Martin-Hall, a South African biologist who had studied elephants in Addo, South Africa for over 8 years. The entire family of a dead matriarch, including her young calf were all gently touching her body with their trunks and tried to lift her. The elephant herd were all rumbling loudly. The calf was observed to be weeping and made sounds that sounded like a scream but then the entire herd fell incredibly silent. They then began to throw leaves and dirt over the body and broke off tree branches to cover her. They spent the next 2 days quietly standing over her body. They sometimes had to leave to get water or food, but they would always return.[20] Occurrences of elephants behaving this way around human beings are common through Africa. On many occasions, they have buried dead or sleeping humans or aided them when they were hurt.[8] Meredith also recalls an event told to her by George Adamson, a Kenyan Game Warden regarding an old Turkana woman who fell asleep under a tree after losing her way home. When she woke up, there was an elephant standing over her, gently touching her. She kept very still because she was very frightened. As other elephants arrived, they began to scream loudly and buried her under branches. She was found the next morning by the local herdsmen, unharmed.[20]

    George Adamson also recalls when he shot a Bull elephant from a herd that kept breaking into the Government gardens of Northern Kenya. George gave the elephant's meat to local Turkana Tribesmen and then dragged the rest of the carcass half a mile away. That night, the other elephants found the body and took the shoulder blade and leg bone and returned the bones to the exact spot the elephant was killed.[21]Scientists often argue the extent that elephants feel emotion. A large variety of animals display what appears to be ‘sorrow' through body language, posture, movement and actions but seeing elephants standing over a body, burying them, refusing to leave and their trunks being observed hanging limp certainly seems evidence that perhaps much deeper and complex emotions are involved.[21]

    [edit] Play

    Joyce Poole on many occasions has observed wild African elephants at play. They apparently do things for their own and others' entertainment. Elephants have been seen sucking up water, holding their trunk high in the air, and then spraying the water like a fountain[8].

    [edit] Mimicry

    Recent studies have shown that elephants can also mimic sounds they hear. The discovery was found when Mlaika, an orphaned elephant, would copy the sound of trucks passing by. So far, the only other animals that are thought to mimic sounds are whales, dolphins, bats, primates and birds[22]. Calimero, an African elephant who was 23 years old also exhibited a unique form of mimicry. He was in a Swiss zoo with some Asian elephants. Compared with African elephants, Asian elephants use chirps that are different from African elephants' deep rumbling noises. Calimero also began to chirp and not make the deep calls like his species normally would [23]. Kosik, an Indian elephant at Everland Amusement Park, South Korea surprised trainers when they thought there was a person in his enclosure but it was actually Kosik imitating Jong Gap Kim, his trainer. Kosik can make sounds imitating up to eight Korean words, including "sit", "no", "yes" and "lie down". His mimicry is remarkably human-sounding. Kosik produces humanlike sounds by putting his trunk in his mouth and then shaking it while breathing out, similar to how people whistle with their fingers[24]. Elephants use contact calls to stay in touch with one another when they are out of one another's sight. Female elephants are able to remember and distinguish the contact calls of female family and bond group members from those of females outside of their extended family network. They can also distinguish between the calls of family units depending upon how frequently they came across them[25].

    [edit] Tool use

    Further information: Tool use by animals

    Elephants show a remarkable ability to use tools, despite having no hands. Instead, they use their trunk like an arm. Elephants have been observed digging holes to drink water and then ripping bark from a tree, chewing it into the shape of a ball, filling in the hole and covering over it with sand to avoid evaporation. The elephant later went back to this spot for a drink. They also often use branches to swat flies or scratch themselves[26]. Elephants have also been known to drop very large rocks onto an electric fence to either ruin the fence or cut off the electricity[8].

    [edit] Art

    Like several other species, elephants are able to produce abstract art using their trunks to hold brushes. Possibly unique is their ability to draw realistic images. An example of this was shown in the TV program 'Extraordinary Animals', where elephants at a camp in Thailand were able to draw a ' self portrait' with flower - see link for the case of 'Hong': [1]. Although the images are drawn by the elephants, there is always a human person assisting and guiding the movement. From those presentations it cannot be definitely evaluated, whether the elephants are conscious about the shape of their drawings or not.

    This extraordinary video documentation of an elephant painting a picture of an elephant - possibly indicating self-awareness - has become widespread on internet news and video websites.[27] The quality of the painting is extremely high, leading many astonished viewers to doubt the video's authenticity. The website snopes.com, which specializes in debunking urban legends, lists the video as "true", in that the elephant produced the brush strokes, but notes that the similarity of the produced paintings is indicative of a learned sequence of strokes rather than a creative effort on the part of the elephant.[28]

    [edit] Problem solving ability

    Elephants are able to spend a lot of time working on problems. They are able to radically change their behavior to face a new challenge, a hallmark of complex intelligence. In the 1970s at Marine World Africa, USA, there lived an Asian elephant named Bandula. Bandula worked out how to break open or unlock several of the pieces of equipment used to keep the shackles on her feet secure. The most complex device was a 'brommel hook', a device that will close when two opposite points are slid together. Bandula used to fiddle with the hook until it slid apart when it was aligned. Once she had freed herself, she would help the other elephants escape also[18]. In Bandula's case and certainly with other captive elephants, there was an element of 'deception' involved during escapes, such as the animals looking around making sure no one was watching[18].

    In another case, a female elephant worked out how she could unscrew iron rods with an eye hole that were an inch thick. She used her trunk to create leverage and then untwist the bolt[18].

    Ruby, an Asian elephant at Phoenix Zoo would often ‘eavesdrop' onto conversations keepers would have talking about her. When she heard the word "paint", she became very excitable. The colours she favoured were green, yellow, blue and red. On one particular day, there was a fire truck that came and parked outside her enclosure where a man had just had a heart attack. The lights on the truck were flashing red, white and yellow. When Ruby painted later on in the day, she chose those colours. She also showed a preference for particular colours that the keepers wore[18].

    Harry Peachey, an elephant trainer, developed a cooperative relationship with an elephant named Koko. Koko would help out the keepers, "prompting" the keepers to encourage him with various commands and words that Koko would learn. Peachey stated that elephants are almost 'predisposed' to cooperate and work with humans as long as they are treated with respect and sensitivity. Koko worked out when his keepers needed a bit of ‘elephant help' when they were transferring the females of the group to another zoo. When the keepers wanted to transfer a female, usually they would say her name, followed by the word 'transfer' (e.g. "Connie transfer"). Koko soon figured out what this meant. If the keepers asked an elephant to transfer and they didn't budge, they would say "Koko, give me a hand". When he heard this, Koko would help. Peachey firmly believes that after 27 years of working with elephants, they can understand semantics/syntax of some of the words they hear. This is something thought to be very rare in the animal kingdom[18].

    [edit] Self awareness

    Asian Elephants have joined a small group of animals, including great apes, bottlenose dolphins and magpies, that exhibit self awareness. The study was conducted with the Wildlife Conservation Society (WCS) using elephants at the Bronx Zoo in New York. Although many animals will respond to a mirror, very few show any evidence that they recognize it is in fact themselves in the mirror reflection.

    The Asian elephants in the study also displayed this type of behavior when standing in front of a 2.5m-by-2.5m mirror - they inspected the rear and brought food close to the mirror for consumption.

    Absolute evidence of elephant self awareness was shown when "Happy" repeatedly touched a painted "X" on her head with her trunk, a mark which could only be seen in the mirror. Happy ignored another mark made with colourless paint that was also on her forehead to ensure she was not merely reacting to a smell or feeling.

    Frans De Waal, who ran the study stated, "These parallels between humans and elephants suggest a convergent cognitive evolution possibly related to complex sociality and cooperation."[29]

    Joyce Poole , of the Amboseli Elephant Research Project, Kenya, has demonstrated vocal learning and imitation in elephant of sounds made by each other and in the environment. She is beginning to research whether sounds made by elephants have dialects, a trait that is rare in the animal kingdom.[22]

    [edit] References

    I WILL be RARE, and I WILL be MIRACULOUS!
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2009

    Hey Elephants,

    If you get a chance, go to Hannah's website, she started chemo! 

  • dreamwriter
    dreamwriter Member Posts: 3,255
    edited May 2009

    Thank you = Im blushing...

  • hollyann
    hollyann Member Posts: 2,992
    edited May 2009

    Yeah I saw and they are having a shaving party for her....Don't know if I could do that but I am not Hannah or her mom but I am behind her all the way!.....Hey maybe we should all send her hats too?.........She would never have to wear the same hat twice!........

    Dreamwriter I am soooooooglad you are home!......I was hoping all would be well for you......You are NOT a failure!.....You are a GREAT Elephant Sister just by being you and being here!!.......

    I have a spot on my right breast on a scar line that doen't seem to want to heal...... The right breast was clear of cancer......What could it be?.........I don't recall hitting it or scratchng it......Such a puzzle!.......

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2009

    Lucy, I hear a little bit of concern in your words, and I am just holding out my trunk and patting your head lightly.  Keep an eye on it and please keep us posted, okay?

    I'd be happy to send Hannah a hat, I'm in-let me know! 

    Already got a few requests for the pink elephants-I'm delighted! 

  • hollyann
    hollyann Member Posts: 2,992
    edited May 2009

    Hey I could use a pink elephant!.........That way I will know I am NOT drunk because I can touch it!...LOL

    Whoopsie thank you...yes just a little concern...I am going to wait a week and see what happens....I have absolutely no feeling where this spot is so it is possible when I picked up one of my cats that I got a claw there........

    Hannah  Mama Elephant Lucy is thinking of you...Only 3 more to go!........YAY!

    Whoopsie, Hannah is taking a new chemo that was just released this past March according to her Nana and NO MORE SURGERY!!!!!...Only the one node was involved so no more surgery!!!....

    Send an elephant to Hannah........... .

  • dreamwriter
    dreamwriter Member Posts: 3,255
    edited May 2009

    I have a hard spot on my scar line and it is where the doc had to use a clip during surgery.  We are watching it too.  But I am relieved that there is a reason for it being there.

    Where do I send my black Fedora

  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited May 2009

    I didn't get any hats (no chemo) but I will make her a cute hat/headscarf to wear. where do I need to send it? Here is a link to the pattern I have http://www.mccallpattern.com/item/M4116.htm?tab=accessories&page=3 Let me know which one you think she would like (I am leaning toward the blue with gold print (G)). I have some cute tye-dyed fabric that would be great for her.

    Elephant momma Sheila

  • Traci-----TripNeg
    Traci-----TripNeg Member Posts: 2,298
    edited May 2009

    jenniferz's post cracked me up!!!

  • Estepp
    Estepp Member Posts: 6,416
    edited May 2009
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2009

    This is from a friend of mine who is a zookeeper at a Zoo.  She refers to a book called, "When Elephants Weep," which sounds fascinating! I hope you enjoy this personal account of elephant emotion......

    The authors of the book are Jeffrey Masson and Susan McCarthy. It's got quite a bit about elephants, but also about lots of other animals.

    I am not a wild elephant specialist by any means--actually I'm a giraffe and rhino person. :) So like I said, I probably know the same things you do about wild elephants--how they circle an injured or sick elephant and prop them up and protect them. I've seen some cool videos of elephant births in the wild, where all the females gather around the female in labor and touch her and shield her from any other animals. But other than that, I can't tell you much about wild elephants.

    When I started at the zoo I'm at now, though, we had two elephants, Lucy and Brittany. They were not a real good match--Lucy was wild-caught as a baby, and we only had an estimate on age--she was between 46 and 50. That's old for an African elephant, and she had really bad arthritis as well as suspected kidney problems and an unpredictable, troublesome digestive tract. Also, because she'd lived through the "bad years" of the zoo industry, she was nervous and moody around people she didn't know well, and was a bit senile besides. (During the 80s, it was commonly accepted that elephants should be beaten when they were "bad". This is NOT accepted any longer, and hasn't been for years, but Lucy had lived through a lot in her time. Just wanted to explain that--I am seriously shocked when I read some of the stuff about how elephants used to be trained. In the system I've been taught, we use a cooperation method of training in which treats are traded for behaviors. I can't imagine inflicting violence on any animal, much less one that could easily squash me.) Anyway, the other elephant, Brit, was 26, a roly poly "retired" circus elephant who was extremely outgoing and had no problem interacting with people. Brittany had come to live at the zoo when Lucy's former companion had died. Like I said, they were not a great match. Brit would try to play with Lucy and Lucy would just get scared and then they'd both be upset. Brit would steal Lucy's food. Brit would steal treats, she would steal toys, whatever she could get away with, because Lucy was so old and passive. And Brittany couldn't have many toys to begin with, because most toys scared Lucy too much.

    Anyway, Lucy's health wasn't good when I met her, and within a year she was going downhill fast. She fell in the yard one day and couldn't get up. Healthy elephants lay down and get up all the time, but old and/or sick elephants often don't have the muscle strength to heave their own weight back up if they lay down or fall. Anyway, Lucy fell in the yard. The keepers (I was off that day, so I only heard about this) spent over half an hour trying to get Brittany to come into the barn (usually a 30 second process) because Brit wouldn't leave Lucy. She was hovering over Lucy, touching her and trying to protect her, and Brittany's energy was sky-high hyper, just flapping her ears and waving her trunk and all riled up. Whenever the keepers would get Brit to even take a couple steps toward the barn, Lucy would move or groan and Brit would rush back over to her and stand over her and touch her with her trunk and flap her ears, all wild-eyed. Anyway, the keepers finally got Brit to go in the barn, and they picked Lucy back up with a crane. It was on the news and everything. Lucy never seemed to get completely over that, mentally or physically, and Brittany started being more careful around Lucy. She didn't steal food and always seemed to be watching Lucy. She didn't touch Lucy a lot during that time, but I wonder if that was because their relationship had never been super-solid in the first place, or if she knew Lucy was hurting. (Or both?)

    In any case, a couple months later Lucy fell again, in her stall. The decision was made to euthanize her--actually the decision had been made earlier that if she fell again, she would be euthanized, because nobody wanted to see her go through the agony of being hoisted up and forced to go on with all the health issues she had. Brittany was in another stall during the euthanasia, but after Lucy was gone Brittany was allowed to come in and be with the body. She stood over Lucy for a long time, but you could tell she knew Lucy was already dead. She would touch her gently with her trunk and then just stand there, kind of drooping, and then she'd touch her really gently again, like she was sniffing and petting her at the same time. Then she'd just stand there and stare at Lucy and her trunk and ears and whole posture just sagged. (This was the point at which every human in the room was crying, too--Brittany's posture was more expressive than anything anyone could have said.) Anyway we let her stay with Lucy as long as she wanted, which ended up being about 45 minutes. Then she wandered back into her own stall, and then we sent her out into the yard, since Lucy had to be necropsied in her stall and that would've been way too traumatic for Brittany to see or smell.

    Brit lived by herself for three months, and during those three months, she was the most needy animal I have ever met. She solicited attention CONSTANTLY from all of us, and threw tantrums randomly and swayed (a lot of elephants sway as a self-comforting gesture when they're bored or anxious) and was generally pathetically needy. I felt terrible for her, but I have to admit that after awhile she was getting on my nerves, too, which makes me feel bad to even admit, but oh well, it's true. In any case, after three months we found out we could get another elephant from a zoo in Texas. Her name is Ruth and her only companion had died a year or two before. Ruth is the same age as Brit and can play and interact with her on her own level. Ruthie and Brittany have been together now for two and a half years, and I have to tell you, even though I adored Lucy, it's so much fun to see the relationship between Brit and Ruth, because it's so much richer and I would think, more satisfying for Brit than what she and Lucy had. Brit and Ruth do almost everything together, and sometimes they bug eachother, and have their little tiffs, and then they're leaning on eachother and sharing food or playing in the mud together or whatever. It's really nice to see.

    But if Brit could protect and comfort and mourn like that for Lucy, who she didn't even get along with too well, what would she be like if anything happened to a companion that she loved?

    Anyway, that is my elephant story. Not sure if it's what you had in mind, but it's some of the most striking animal emotions I've ever witnessed.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2009

    Elephants!!!!! 

    I just saw a post from our Watson.  She is having brain surgery JUNE 1st!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  (technically, that is today!). 


    Circle!  Support!  Trunks up!  

    Thanks for being Elephants, Deb

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2009

    Bumping up for the sake of Watson

  • dreamwriter
    dreamwriter Member Posts: 3,255
    edited June 2009

    Oh I hope watson is ok......

  • Estepp
    Estepp Member Posts: 6,416
    edited June 2009

    I will send her a PM...Thank you for posting this....

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2009

    Hey elephants, can you please amble on over to the "waiting for test results" thread, and offer some leaning on my behalf (I posted my freak-out there)?  I don't need a full shift from you guys, just a little peek into the exam room, a little pat from your trunk, and perhaps some Circus tricks to keep me distracted?  Thank you all for being so giving-Deb

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2009

    hugs234.jpg hugs image by Wildflowerafternoons

    For my sweet sisters.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2009

    Hi Elephants! 

    First of all-MissShapen, I love your quote-I was just thinking basically the same thing the other day as I sat at the hospital for my blood draw.  My mind was running wild-I'd look at each person walking by and imagine what on earth has given them such a sad look in their eye.  I'd wonder exactly why they had to use a cane, or a walker, or why they were on oxygen.  I'd wonder if they were caregivers of someone going through a struggle, and my heart was breaking for the struggle they must then be feeling.  Then, I went to the cafeteria to get our traditional slice of lemon poundcake (Daniel and I always get one, and even though he wasn't with me that day, I wanted to bring one home for him).  I marveled at the atmosphere in the cafeteria, and how different a world it was in comparison to the hospital waiting areas.  Then I thought how different the cafeteria was in comparison to the big, giant world we live in.  The caf was like a party in comparison to the waiting areas, but in comparison to the world? It still held that sense of fear and sadness. 

    So, my point to that ramble?  Your quote is much shorter, and far better! 

    I found some things on youtube I wanted to share.   They left me speechless. 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjtrdpSwEUY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg4aaXgWn2g

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He7Ge7Sogrk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSnmJ4D_mTE

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU6LS8mKf3E

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZuW7M4VbDs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5RiHTSXK2A

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He7Ge7Sogrk

    I really have to stop-these are just fascinating. 

  • hollyann
    hollyann Member Posts: 2,992
    edited June 2009

    Good morning Whoopsie,  I missed the Waiting for Results thread but i will put in my trunk and give you a soothing pat here.......Hope all goes well with the blood work.......

    Elephant sisters there is a new post on OurLittleSweetPea from Mommy.....She could sure use some more support.......Let's all go there and give her our love and encouragement......

    Everyone have a blessed day!..........

    Whoolsie I will go to the sites above when I get home....Can't wait to see them!.....

    Love you all!..Elephant Sister Lucy

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2009

    I'm bumping up for two reasons:

    Don't forget to PM me if you want to nominate a person for a tiny pink elephant. 

    Also, I wanted to point out the elephant clips from Youtube.  You don't have to watch them all (although I did!).  They were all really incredible, though. 

  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited July 2009

    Whoops, just wanted to bump this up. Lucy could use a bunch of elephant sisters right now.

    Sheila

  • bettysgirl
    bettysgirl Member Posts: 938
    edited July 2009

    i've never been know to show up to anything on time!! I have been keeping up with hannah and i love the idea behind the brigade...I would love to get in line and raise a helping trunk whenever possible if you girls will allow me to slip into the lineup...

  • Estepp
    Estepp Member Posts: 6,416
    edited July 2009

    Thank you Shelia!

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