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kdholt
kdholt Member Posts: 229
edited June 2014 in Life After Breast Cancer

I am coming up on my one year anniversary and am  a bigger mess than when I was diagnosed. I am worrying that I am not doing enough to keep cancer from recurring that maybe I should have done more initially. I am 46 years old and premen. I had a stage one grade one cancer. I would like to hear from any women who were diagnosed in their 40's with a similar situation who have been cancer free for several years. I just need to know that I am not doomed because of my age.Also how do you get past this diagnosis and get on with life and not worry daily about what might happen?

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  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited June 2009

    You are in such a "normal" space right now. First year anniversaries are scary as hell. It's so stressful. I was diagnosed at 44 with Stage 1, Grade 1. Couldn't tolerate Tamoxifen, so out came the ovaries and on came menopause and AIs. Stopped them at the beginning of year 5. I was moving on nicely, but got a new primary in the other breast. The good news? Stage 1 again. Breasts are now gone, reconstructed twice, and NOW I feel like cancer is gone for me. I never quite felt that way during those first five years, even though I was living a full and happy life. It was my own dirty little secret.

    You may never have to face the beast again. If you do, my bet would be on a new primary rather than mets. But, who's really got that crystal ball?

    Believe me, it WILL get better for you. Each minute, hour, day, month, year that goes by simply does that. They go by. What you choose to do during this time is up to you. This anxiety is normal. Antidepressants helped me get past the anxiety more than I ever realized. I'm not saying they are right for you, I'm just sayin'.

    You're going to hear stories of women who have survived Stage 1 and beyond for many, many years. But not one of us is walking in your shoes, living your life, fearing your fears. We may understand, but your experience is unique.

    In all this rambling, what I really want to say is that you are not alone. Waiting for the next shoe to drop is normal. And one day, one day, you'll realize you haven't thought about your cancer for a couple hours! ANd you'll be here giving the same advice to others.

    Control what you can, and let go of what you can't. Easier said than done, I know. But start there.

    Big hugs, and best of luck,

    Anne

  • kdholt
    kdholt Member Posts: 229
    edited June 2009

    Thanks Anne, I appreciate the kind words. I hope all is going well for you. I hope I do hear lots of stories from women who have survived stage 1. You think I would be relieved to have such an early stage cancer but then I read how grade 1 cancers don't always respond as well to treatment and I panic again. Did you change lots of things after you found out you had breast cancer like diet, vitamins, no more alcohol, etc. or do you pretty much live life the way you did before? Just curious.

    Debbie

  • MarieKelly
    MarieKelly Member Posts: 591
    edited June 2009

    DEBBIE -

    I was just a few years older than you when diagnosed about a week after my 49th B-day. I'm sure I probably would have been diagnosed years earlier had it not been for the fact that I skipped my yearly mammograms for 7 or so years prior to the one that got me diagnosed. Had a small, stage 1, grade 1, tumor but mine was 60% IDC and the other 40% DCIS. I had a somewhat early menopause - last period was about 8 months before diagnosis at age 48 and 4 months, so although I was already in menopause when diagnosed, I was surely pre-menopausal when that tumor first began to grow.  I refused all treatment offered except the lumpectomy and SNB (just one node removed) and it's now well over 5 years since that surgery and I'm doing just fine to this point. I've done literally nothing at all in the way of lifestyle changes, so I definately live and carry on with my life exactly as I did before the diagnosis. 

    I know it's usually easier said than done, but if you had a lumpectomy with clear margins and especially if you've had radiation and are taking hormonal therapy, you've really got nothing to worry about just one year out from diagnosis and surgery.  If by some slim chance there was any residual tumor left in the breast, a grade 1, slow growing tumor is going to take years for it to get big enough to make it's presence known.  In all probability, you've already done far more than actually necessary for a small, low grade tumor if you've had any treatment beyond a wide margin resection, so try not to drive yourself crazy worrying about.  And as you can see from reading what Anne posted above, if you do get another breast cancer someday, it'll probably be just another small, grade 1 again. A grade 1 recurrence isn't usually a disaster - just another bump in the road.

  • carolsd
    carolsd Member Posts: 358
    edited June 2009

    I was diagnosed at age 41 with Stage one cancer (grade was indeterminate). I had 7mm of DCIS and 3mm of IDC in 2004. Had chemo and mastectomy, recon, still doing fine. No recurrence, and the thoughts of cancer have been pushed back to the "non-priority" file. It will be 5 years in September. I see the Onc every 6 months, but other than that my life is as normal as normal can be. Yours will be too.

  • iodine
    iodine Member Posts: 4,289
    edited June 2009

    Ok, so I was 59, 1.9 cm. tumor.  I chose mast, recon and tamoxifen.  declined chemo, had neg SNB.  You are exactly where I was at a year with the worry and feeling Everything was mets.

    However, I didn't change my lifestyle.  I am not a heavy drinker, but enjoy a glass of wine or a coctail occasionally.  I did not change my diet, but did increase my activity, but because of a need to strengthen my legs prior to a knee replacement (have held that off for almost 3 years.)

    I went by the old saw: if the symptoms last more than 2 weeks, call my onc and discuss it, or get a test to rule out whatever and see what was actually causing it.

    I gave up tamox. after 2 1/2 years due to quality of life issues---and haven't looked back.

    As Anne says, you will ---YOU WILL---find a day when you just live your life and gasp, saying, "but I had cancer, how can I feel good or laugh????"  But you will.  Honest.

  • jezza
    jezza Member Posts: 698
    edited June 2009

    Hi KD......17 years down the track for me. I was 41 when dx .I was Stage 1 but my 9mm tumour was Grade 3.I had a mastectomy and 6 months later a prophylactic mastectomy on the other breast. No other treatment.I haven't had a recurrence.

    First few months I did all the vitamins and stuff...and like you really stressed out about "changing my lifestyle".

    I am pretty much back to normal. I walk quite a bit but no way am I giving up my wine of an evening.....I really enjoy cooking a nice meal and drinking nice wines!

    Of course I was paranoid for the first few years....everyone is but time is about the only thing that will fix that. Great that you have the first year down and dusted!

    Hugs

    jezza

  • abbadoodles
    abbadoodles Member Posts: 2,618
    edited June 2009

    Had my first tumor in 1991;  stage 1 grade 1.  1.1 cm 0/11 nodes.  Had lumpx and rads.

    Recurrance in same breast in 2007.  Mx plus recon.

    Life does go on and quite joyfully. 

  • IllinoisNancy
    IllinoisNancy Member Posts: 722
    edited June 2009

    Hi,

    I was dx at age 49 with ILC, Stage 1, Grade 2.  I had a lumpectomy, SNB, 34 radiation treatments and now Tamoxifen for 5 years.  I feel good and looking forward to my 3 year anniversary on October 9th.

  • sherloc
    sherloc Member Posts: 1,047
    edited June 2009

    Hi Debbie,

    I was dx at 42. Stage1 Grade1. I had radiation therapy then did a year of tamoxifen. Had terrible bone pain with it but stuck it out for a year before I said no more. Just a couple of weeks after my 1st cancerversary I had my ovaries out and started on arimidex. A few weeks after that I had a baseline bone density test and was diagnosed with advanced osteoporosis. Turns out I was one of the 1% of premenopausal women who had major bone loss while taking tamoxifen. As slowly as the medical machine moves at times it was another 9 months before my onc decided I probably shouldn't be taking arimidex with my crumbling bones. The thought process was I was now post menopausal so tamox should be good for my poor bones. Guess "they" were right cause my bone density #'s have slowly climbed. Plus no noticable side effects other than hot flashes, which I could probably atribute to losing my ovaries. Just celebrated my 5th cancerversary on tuesday. It went by quietly, with none of my family even blinking an eye. 

    Your feelings are completely normal. Just hang in there. You will get thru it. If you need to ask for meds to help with your anxiety please talk to your doctor. There is help out there, and it doesn't mean you are less of a woman for asking for it. 

  • dreamwriter
    dreamwriter Member Posts: 3,255
    edited June 2009

    Are you on a biophosphate for your bones - I am on pamidronate which is sometimes called APD.

  • hollyann
    hollyann Member Posts: 2,992
    edited June 2009

    Hi all  ...I had just turned 44 when I was dx'd stage 1 grade 1 ...1.6 cm lump......No nodes...It's been almost 2 1/2 years for me and i am just fine!.....That first anniversary is a nerve wrecker but it goes by and you are fine.........I started with Tamixifen then had issues had a total hyster and ooph......started Femara had major issues with that and now am on Arimidex, fewer SE's but tolerable.........I am not on any biphosphonates yet......I am looking forward to my 3rd anniversary Jan 15th, 2010.........

  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited June 2009

    Hey, kd,

    After my first diagnosis the only thing I changed (besides stopping the Pill) was to quit putting off things I wanted to do.

    I added back in the lowest dose Femring for quality of life issues.

    After the second cancer, I can't say much changed. I drink a little, eat pretty well overall, and get lots of exercise and sleep.

    Anne

  • kdholt
    kdholt Member Posts: 229
    edited June 2009

    Hollyanne, can I ask what kind of issues you had with tamoxifen? I too am having issues and am wondering if tamoxifen is to blame. I am wondering if all my anxiety could be caused by taox also have developed a condition called lichen sclorosus and wonder if that is also related to tamox.

    Debbie

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited June 2009

    I am coming up  on 2 years and have changed a lot of my habits. One of the most important thing to do is get your iodine levels checked. More and more studies are showing that iodine may be a key to prevention. Check out the iodine thread here for more info. It really gives me peace of mind. I did not opt for any drug therapy. I feel great and do not even worry a bit about a recurrance because I know I am so much healthier now.

  • sherloc
    sherloc Member Posts: 1,047
    edited June 2009

    Dream I get aredia every 3 months.

  • kdholt
    kdholt Member Posts: 229
    edited June 2009

    vivre, Can I ask what kind of breast cancer you had? What are you doing to give yourself such peace of mind?

    Debbie

  • Blundin2005
    Blundin2005 Member Posts: 1,167
    edited June 2009

    HI kdholt,

    I think that Anne said it all very well.

    My diagnosis was 15 Aug '05 ... surgery 27 Sep '05 .... rads and AI Nov '05.  I was 57 y.o. It took a few years to understand and accept the changes in my life, but slowly the rest of the world came back into focus.  

    Take heart that you'll be one of us old timers who help the next new member along.

    "Never run faster than your guardian angel can fly"

    Marilyn 

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited June 2009

    Debbie, I had stage 1 IDC. I asked a friend who was a 10 year survivor if she still worries about a  recurrance. She said, she did for the first year, but is so committed to her health now, that she does now worry anymore. So I took her answer to heart. I took control of my health by changing  my diet, exercising daily, taking supplements. I read constantly about women's health issues and it keeps me motivated. I really believe that I will not have a recurrance. I can see the difference in my blood tests. I can feel the difference in my skin and hair, and I have more energy than I did when I was 20. I only wish that I had had bc earlier. Maybe I would have learned earlier that I should not take my health for granted. Our bodies are miraculous things, and will reward us with a good life if we take care of it.

  • kdholt
    kdholt Member Posts: 229
    edited June 2009

    Vivre, do you know if I could takeDIM and tamox at the same time? Also, Who do you dr. with? a natural path or DO? How do you know what tests to ask for? I would like to be more proactive but am not sure how to start. I live in a small rural community so not always easy to find someone who has heard of the alternatives.

    Debbie

  • Jorf
    Jorf Member Posts: 498
    edited June 2009

    Not stage 1 grade 1 (stage 2, grade 3) but very similar feelings. I actually just found that the 3rd anniversary was the hardest. Realized I was obsessing about eating well and exercising, unconsciously thinking that it would keep me from a recurrence. Realized that I ate well and exercised before I got cancer and it certainly didn't stop me from getting it.... I still eat well and exercise but have relaxed emotionally about it to a certain extent.

    I think that the rest of the forseeable future of my life will intertwine with concern about cancer coming back. When I was in treatment I ran into a neighbor who had BC 7 years previously. She said that, at that time, she was just beginning to believe in the future. It really struck me at the time as an odd thing to say but I understand it really well now.

    I think there's also this thing that, if we survive cancer, we should wake up each morning and jump up and say, "How wonderful, another day, I'm going to celebrate all day long!" But we are still ourselves and still have rough days, pissy days, tired days, etc, etc. There's nothing to live up to except for being human.

    One foot in front of the other. Each anniversary season is rough in its own way. You're making it through #1 and each year will be a new experience.

    Best,

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited June 2009

    Debbie, I have been doing a lot of doctor shopping, trying to find one that believes in a holistic path. I am menopausal and I refused to take arimidex. However, I have been able to balance my estrogen levels naturally and my urine tests prove it. We have a lot of discussion on this on the natural girls threads and the iodine thread. We also discuss DIM and I3C. I do believe it is important to find a doctor who can take these tests so that you can see if it is working. One of my doctors is a chiropractor who got me on a good nutrition routine. She also takes my blood and evaulates my tests. For instance, I had really low Vit D levels, my former MD never even tested it. After several months of supplements, my Vit D level is not in a protective range. I also have a doctor who was a former obgyn who now specializes in hormone therapy. She has been evaluating my hormone levels and helping me to balance everything. We are constantly changing things as we see different results. The way I found her, is through the compounding pharmacist in my town.  I do not see any of my old doctors anymore, including my onc. All they wanted me to do was take drugs, and  I just did not see the point in that when at stage one, they only give you the same advantage statistically that diet and exercise do. Also, studies show that DIM or I3C do the same thing. So when, I say I do not fear a recurrance, it is because I am doing a lot of proactive things, that I never did before. I am careful about my exposure to all the chemicals out there, I cut out the sugar and crap in my diet that was causing me to feel so awful. I just do all kinds of things that make me feel better, both physically and emotionally. I do not believe a healthy body gets cancer. I always thought I was healthy before, because I rarely got sick, but I have learned that there was so much I was doing wrong. It is very empowering to feel that cancer does not control my life anymore. I pray all the time that others will find this peace.

  • JanMarch
    JanMarch Member Posts: 167
    edited June 2009

    Jorf - I know what you mean about feeling like "we should wake up each morning and jump up and say, "How wonderful, another day, I'm going to celebrate all day long!"  My first day back at work after my bilat mast, a coworker asked me if I had a whole new appreciation and outlook on life.  I really didn't know what to say to her!  I told her it was all still a little fresh to me and I wasn't far enough down the road to feel that way.  I don't think that many people really get it there is never any closure after a breast cancer diagnosis. 

  • kdholt
    kdholt Member Posts: 229
    edited June 2009

    I have a question for those of you that had a lumpectomy. Ithink what really got me panicing was that when I had my mammo in april a suspicious spot showed up. My surgeon determined that it was not in the area of my original cancer, but was in the spot on my breast where incision was made for snb and was heavily radiated. He feels it is most likely scar tissue and recommends watching it for six months and then do another mammo. My onc is in agreement and told me that 9 out of 10 women will have these suspicious areas appear after surgery and rads. Any of you ladies experience something similar and did it turn out ok?

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited June 2009

    JanMarch-I am not sure what you mean by we never reach any closure. You are still too close to it all and I am sure, still smarting from the whole process. But I can assure, some of us do reach closure, because I have. This does not mean I am the same person. I actually feel I am a better person now for having gone through this. I am definitely obsessed about my health now, but I truly do not live in fear of cancer anymore. I hope that eventually, you will find that peace of mind too. Our mind is the most powerful weapon we have against cancer. Our thoughts can make us sick and I thoughts can keep us well. Think good thougts!

  • JanMarch
    JanMarch Member Posts: 167
    edited June 2009

    Vivre-you're right, I'm still still close to all, still going through reconstruction and taking tamox., etc.  It seems as if there are constant reminders of having had bc, with the mastectomy scars and the hot flashes from the tamox, etc.  I shouldn't have said "never" reach any closure, because as you said many women do certainly get there.  And I'm sure I will too eventually.  My oncologist told me the process is a marathon, not a sprint!

     I guess what I was thinking was breast cancer (and really all cancers) are different than some other health issues where you have surgery and that's it, you're fixed and no need to think any further about it.  Just as an example, several years ago I had a misdiagnosed ruptured appendix - I became septic and it was a life threatening illness to be sure.  But surgery, antibiotics and a week in the hospital and I was fixed. Once I healed I never looked back (well, except being mad as heck at the doctor who misdiagnosed me!).  But now, even though I've had the surgery and am taking the prescribed medication, I just don't have that same feeling of closure.  But I completely agree with you in that thinking good thoughts, eating a proper diet and getting lots of exercise is key.  I've started with the diet, supplements and exercise, just need to get there with the postive thinking!  The wonderful women on these boards are helping in that department!!

    Hug to everyone!

  • kdholt
    kdholt Member Posts: 229
    edited June 2009

    Vivre,

    I noticed on one of your other posts that you mentioned having thermography done. What kind of doctor does that? Where would I get it done and does insurance cover something like that?

    Debbie

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited June 2009

    JanMarch-Yes having bc is different and I blame the media for that. All of this breast cancer awareness scares the crap out of everyone. As you said, when you have another life threatening illness, they fix you up, and you go home and get well. With cancer they scare us so much about a recurrance. Well, the truth is, we do not have to get cancer at the rates we do. Just because we got it once, does not mean we will get it again. There is so much evidence out there that proves cancer is preventable. That is why I stopped listening to the naysayers and started reading every healthy book I could find. I found them to be so heartening. Some of them, I read over and over because they keep reinforcing what I need to be doing to stay healthy. They are my motivation and my salvation. So don't believe them when they scare you. You will eventually look at your scares as a badge of honor. They will show you how strong you are and how much you have overcome. As the physical scars heal, so will the emotional ones. As I said, sometime, I hope you can all put it behind. Cancer made me a survivor and a better person. For that I count it as a blessing.

    Debbie- go to themography.org for info on thermograms. Some insurance companies accept them, some do not. One of the things I plan to do is to start pushing for them to be covered. I think they will save more lives than mammos because they are safe and painless, and cheap, and more women will be likely to keep having them. I hated going for mammos but I do not mind at all doing a therm every 6 months. I can see right then and there if there are any changes in my breasts. It is all on the computer to  look at immediately. No waiting. Such peace of mind. To find a doctor in your area check the list at thermography.org. They are readily available around most major cities and even some teaching hosptitals are now doing studies on them.

  • BlueGirlRedState
    BlueGirlRedState Member Posts: 1,031
    edited June 2009

    Can you point me to the discussions on iodine and hormone levels?  The oncologists I'm seeing dismiss both of those ideas.  I've never had either tested.  Have started adding seaweed to the diet for iodine.  When I asked where I get iodine if I don't salt food, DRs had no answer.  One also said that added hormones such as progesterone could promote cancer. I am concerned about using hormones since they are linked to many problems.  At the same time, estrogen is linked to Breast Cancer ( so we take tamoxafen to block receptors) - so maybe hormonal imbalanace and treating it (vs just treating the cancer) also makes sense.

  • Member_of_the_Club
    Member_of_the_Club Member Posts: 3,646
    edited June 2009

    I for one am grateful for the media exposure.  BC used to be something that was a source of shame for women.  Nobody talked about it, very little research was devoted to it.  perhaps now it gets a disproportionate amount of attention but at least it also gets resources for research and it has made a big difference.  There are too many people who believe that bc is not a big deal, that everyone survives.  Well 40,000 people died from it last year.  I knew two women who have died in the last few months -- young, fit, otherwise healthy women who left behind young children.  I think this message has to get out there until no one dies of breast cancer.

    kdholt, you have an excellent prognosis.  You must know this, that rationally it doesn't even make sense for you to think about a recurrence with your stats.  But you have been through a trauma and its very difficult to think rational after this sort of experience.  If you find that the anxiety interferes with your enjoyment of life, get some help.  There is no reason to suffer and therapy can really help. 

  • iodine
    iodine Member Posts: 4,289
    edited June 2009

    About a year after diagnosis and recon x 2, I had a mammo showing new microcals in the "good" boob that had a small augment after the unwanted reduction on the first go.

    I was advised that it was likely due to the surgery I had had 3 mos. befor the mammo when the augment was done.

    I decided to believe the rads doc and my onc, and when the follow up mammo was done, there were NO changes, so all was well.

    It took a lot not to get an instant biopsy but I'm glad I waited.

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