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jill - good luck tomorrow. It does sound like the herceptin and chest issues could be related - but it won't hurt to have the rest of you checked. Hopefully it will be just meds related and nothing else. I know I had a very very irregular heartbeat from either the chemo or the Neulasta, so its possible that yours is also related to your meds.
I agree with you - when I was getting chemo / steriods, I do remember being very emotional, sometimes really short tempered, sometimes very teary, and depressed. it does go away, but also makes sense with what is being pumped into our bodies, that not only do physical side effects occur, but also emotional ones.
Have a comfortable, side effects night, ladies.
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today i slept most of the day, and then i had pretty bad bone pain, some weakness and just a little bit of neausea, it all comes and goes, but hanging in there, dh has been wonderful. iam a bit worried a bout him tho, he looks so stressed, when i was getting chemo tuesday, my onc nurse said do you have high blood pressure and dh said yes but its under control, she said let me take your bp and your ankles are swollen, so she was taking care of my dh i thougth it was so cute, his bp was up and his face was red, but, hes doing better, its so stressful for family,
Janet- i hope you are getting thru this with out the bone pain and doing good
cruise- ive got the tireds and fatique, every thing is so new, just need to get used to it
jill- the shot is $5,600 can you believe that,
chelev- and in the moment= hope you both are doing much better take care
angel hugs debbie
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Hi all,
Quick post as I am off to get my Neulasta shot (by the way, mine is billed @ $4,300). Did well last night after treatment, slept on and off all evening and then 6 hours overnight. So far no heartburn or breathing issues - no nausea either, so maybe all your good thoughts and prayers are being heard! Please keep it up, as I do for all of you.
Geri
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Geri - wow, YOU ARE SO CLOSE! I'm rooting for you.
Janet - I'm sorry you didn't sleep well. I hate that feeling...
Debbie, I never thought that a shot being "slow" would be a good thing, but I'll keep that in my notebook!
Chelev - epsom salts are great, aren't they? When I'm sore from running or a workout, the other thing I love is Dr. Singh's Mustard Bath. You can get it at places like Whole Foods or other natural foods stores.
Jill!!!! DAMN. That is such a bummer.
At least they've checked your heart and it's okay. Hopefully it's just your tummy ('just,' right?).
Deb from Ohio - Well, you learn something every day. Lots of plastics emit nasty stuff when they're hot, so not surprising. We don't microwave food in plastic, either...
Off to work, have a great day ladies,
Love,
Laura
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Morning Ladies...
Lots of chatter which is great to see...
debbie and Geri...glad things are going well...watch your SEs they can sneak up on you just when you are feeling good.
I had my Nuelasta shot on the back of my right arm (opposite of SNB arm) and they first warmed it up in their hands because it comes out of the fridge..then gave me the shot very slow...fortunately I did not experience any bone pain...I just got really tired and then a slight fever..they say to watch for fevers with that shot anything over 100.5 and you call the doc right away - it could mean an infection. As for the cost...I got 6MG of Neulasta and it was $2,700. So maybe each physician charges differently.
Here are some other costs...FYI...
Taxotere 20MG @ $3,200
Cytoxan 100MG @ $65.00
Aloxi .025 MG @ $200.00
Benadryl 50MG @ $1.50
Decadron 1 MG @ $40.00
Heparin 1000 UN @ $.50
Ranitidine Injection @ $3.00
And then every time they injected me it was $50.00 for each item listed above in addition to the $350.00 charge for accessing the port and $150.00 for the office visit.
But you know you can't put a price on trying to survive and get well. I feel for those who cannot afford health insurance and they don't get any treatment. That is why I donate to BC locally as they can provide treatment to those who are less fortunate.
Jill...please take care of yourself and hopefully they will have a remedy for your symptoms. Let us know whats up with you...
Hugs...to everyone....
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Hello all !
Quick update here. First, I think the cost differentials are based on negotiated insurance rates. I just looked at my last treatment, and they billed my insurance company $5000 for herceptin, but the "negotiated" rate took it down to $2500. It is an interesting game they play. Just for kicks, I looked up what my doc's office billed and what they paid for my Neulasta shot. Charge: $4920, Paid: $2197. Note that I did not pay the differential (thankfully). This was the "pre-determined" negotiated rate. So.. that is where I got the $2000 from in my previous post... it was roughly what was paid on my behalf. BUT.. they actually charged nearly $5000 for that darn shot. That said, there is a DARN good chance I will hit my out of pocket maximum again this year (sigh) with as expensive as this stuff is and how many doctors I keep seeing. That sucks. And my insurance is decent - relatively speaking.
Anyway, speaking of doctors, as promised, I got to see yet another one today - the GI doc. As I kind of thought he would do, he ordered an endoscopy to take a good look at my stomach. Yet another treatment in which I get to experience the joy of "twilight anesthesia". The scheduler calls me on Monday to get this set up, so I don't have a date yet.
The funny part was that the last time I saw this guy was for the follow up to my colonoscopy which was clean (well as clean as colonscopies get). Literally a week later I was diagnosed with breast cancer. Anyway, he started by asking me "what's new?". I don't think he was expecting the answer he got to that question. I told him that when we did the colonoscopy, perhaps we should have been looking a little further north in the body - and that this time I would greatly appreciate it if there were NO surprises after undergoing a procedure done by him. He just cracked up and said he would do his best.
Anyway, that's the news. Sounds like everyone is doing about has well as expected. Here's to a blessfully side effect free week end for everyone !
Jill
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Jill, I sure hope you have better luck then I did...I went thru months of stomach problems, lost weight, the whole 9 yrds, had all these tests and they couldn't find anything wrong! I guess I dreamed them all up...still have it to this day at times..........hate to hear your feeling bad though...but jeez, the chemo we had is enough to eat a hole in our stomachs!
Love and hugs
Deb
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Jill...gosh what else can go wrong...Hope your doc can find out whats going on.
You are right...it seems different insurance companies will pay for different rates on items. Also it depends on your carrier what drugs are allowed and how often. I know that they had to call Aetna when they changed drugs to get their approval. It's scary knowing I have to depend on Aetna for everything.
I have been on the phone with my HR payroll...they got my pay all messed up too! Its a full time job trying to get extended disability and calling to get the correct pay from HR...geeze...
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Jill: I am so sorry that you are having to go through so much extra crap. As if BC isn't enough on its own. Please know that you are in my thoughts and prayers.
By the way, those costs are astonishing!
Janet
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Morning all - Day 3 of #3 A/C and still hanging in there. Nice steroid flush on my face, a little heartburn (minor at this point), no fever, no breathing issues, no bone pain from Neulasta - it is a good day so far. Am planning to get out for a ride with bf today, since my day 4 & 5 have been when the fatigue sets in, so I will take advantage of a beautiful Saturday morning.
Jill - I hope your endoscopy gives you some uncomplicated answers, but something that can be treated easily and help you feel better.
Cruise - Don't you love how insurance issues and HR becomes a full time job on top of B/C? I also have Aetna - they just screwed up another bill this week
Ikat - hope the Aleve worked well for you again this time - so far no bone pain for me - keeping fingers crossed!
Wishing a s/e free day for all
Geri
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Geri, sounds like you've got a nice glow today! Hope the weather is gorgeous for your ride. Sounds like a nice way to celebrate a good chemo day.
Jill, you enjoy that wonderful twilight anesthesia. At least you won't be thinking about medical bills while you're drugged up. We're DEFINITELY hitting our insurance maximum this year. I don't even want to think about it. Oh, well...my doctors and medical care are so good, so far, that at least I feel I'm getting my money's worth... they'll be saving my life, and I think that's worth tens of thousands of dollars. (Hmmmm, I wonder if my husband agrees?)
Today I am cutting my middle-of-my-back length hair into a funky chin-length bob, as a preemptive strike against the chemo. My hair is my very very very favorite thing about my body. Losing my breasts was no big deal but I am dysfunctionally attached to my hair.
Which reminds me of my very favorite bumper sticker: "Oh, hell, not another LEARNING EXPERIENCE."
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Morning Ladies...
Geri...I lived on Zantac while on chemo...the indigestion was terrible. And yes AETNA is a mess..if you only knew what I have been through...
We are traveling tomorrow to my daughters in Monterey...my ONLY grandson "Trey" is having his 3rd Birthday....he is really in to the Disney Cars...so grandma had to buy one of everything for him...can't wait to see him open his gifts. According to my daughter he is already so excited he keeps asking when is grandma coming to his party. He refers to the cars as 'VOOM VOOM".
Hope you ladies have a great weekend.
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Hello all !
First, thanks for your wishes and thoughts. While expasperated that the medical train seems to keep on going, I am actually not too bad. I am not one that relishes medical junk in the slightest and would prefer this whole thing be over with so I can get on with my life. So, I have to admit to being a bit astonished that I keep having to do this stuff. I have been relatively healthy most of my life, so this medical crap is a bit foreign to me even now.
That said, I guess I am grateful that my docs are being so cautious and thorough - better safe than sorry. I keep forgetting this is nasty stuff they gave us and it can mess up some things while fixing others. I told someone one day that this whole thing has been a bit like a game of "whack a mole". We whack one mole in the body, and another one pops up. Then we whack that mole, which causes a different one to pop up. I am just trying to get all the moles under control at this point.
Honestly, what I am starting to think is that the symptoms that have the docs so freaked out may just be a side effect of this drug (herceptin) and I will have to live with it over the next 12 treatments. Part of me is even sorry that I mentioned it to them in the first place. BUT... I am forever grateful that I know now my heart is fine. That is the big one. The GI stuff is annoying, (it that is what the problem is) but I don't know anyone that has died from heartburn.
Anyway, that is the news that is news. Hubby and I are going to an art show today. Then we have tickets to see "A Chorus Line" tomorrow night to celebrate our anniversary. We hit number 18 on Monday. I am looking forward to it.
Hope everyone continues to do well ! Geri, I am really glad to see you getting through so relatively well (knock on wood) this time.
Jill
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Jill...Congrats to you and your best friend for 18 wonderful years....and so happy you are celebrating it by seeing Chorus Line...what fun!!!!
As someone mentioned to me...we will look back at this time in our lives and say "I can't remember anything back then".
Someday this will be all behind us and we will laugh at ourselves. Laughing is a good thing!
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Hello Ladies !
Got to tell you all about something that happened today. I mentioned that my husband and I were going to an art show this afternoon. It was great. We ended up buying a couple eclectic little pieces. It is times like these when I know I chose the right guy. It is almost uncanny how we end up gravitating to the same things at these shows - and bypassing the same things.
Anyway, as we were walking around, we came upon a booth that was auctioning painted "bricks" from breast cancer survivors. It was sponsored by a woman who had felt like a "ton of bricks" had fallen on her upon her diagnosis. So, she turned to sponsoring this local event in which people paint these bricks and all proceeds from the sales go to breast cancer research. Last year it raised $45,000. So, I struck up a conversation with a couple ladies running the booth, told them I was a survivor and it was like instant connection.
As my husband and I were leaving the booth, I realized that maybe it was perhaps a little rude that I had started this conversation while he was there with me. I said.. "I am sorry if things keep coming back to breast cancer. I guess it is just a part of who I am now". And he looked at me and said "Well, that's OK.. it is a part of who I am now too". He said it so earnestly, that I knew he meant it. Not knowing exactly what to say, I just kissed him and said "I am a lucky woman". He just smiled and hugged me - and then we went back to checking out art pieces.
So.. I really can't top that one for an anniversary present. It meant the world to me to hear him say it like that. I am a lucky woman.
Jill
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Awww Jill he's a keeper!!!!!!!!!!!! What a sweetheart! And ................HAPPY ANNIVERSARY!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Love and hugs
Deb
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What a fun day today - stayed out for 4 hours, went to Yonkers racino and did a little gambling to lighten the mood - lost of course, but had a few laughs and didn't break the bank!
Driving home on the Palisades Parkway, in the glorious sun, with a massive headache, shaky legs, mild heartburn and exhausted beyond belief - I smiled the biggest smile, because it was a beautiful day, and everything else could be put on hold, even if just for today!!! Best feeling I've had in 3 months - made me realize life is good, and all that we are going through is so that we see it is all worth it to have a sunny May day to look forward to next year without all the other stuff we galantly suffer through now! (Ya think the steroids are causing this emotional epiphany ha ha)
Reading these last few posts, it seems there are many good things happening...Jill's wonderful husbands reassurance of his love, Cruises' grandsons birthday celebration with his "Vroom Vroom's"
Kaidog's big step in cutting her hair, and knowing that on this board, we understand that everyone has a favorite bodily attribute, and no, Kaidog, you are not dysfunctional for being attached to your hair - you are exceptionally functional for realizing it is just another step in this journey to be mourned as a temporary loss...as you said "another learning experience".
You guys are just the greatest lifeline...thanks
Geri
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What a guy! That's great idea about the bricks.
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Hi
JILL: Happy Anniversary to you and your hubby. Sounds like he's the best!
KAIDOG: I know the hair thing is tough. I didn't think it would be a big deal, but as I approach the dreaded date of hair loss, I'm getting more and more apprehensive. I did get a wig, which I picked up today, only to be disappointed in the color. (anyone know if they can change with some dye?) I guess we must focus on the fact that after we are healthy it will grow back, and in the scheme of things, it's a small (and short-lived) price to pay.
GERI: I'm glad you had a good day. It was a beautiful day here on the east coast. I didn't know the steriods would cause an emotional epiphany, (you lucky lady,) mine are only causing me to be annoyed - at everyone!!!!!
CRUISE: Hope you had a good time with your family.
Janet
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Ladies, please try not to stress over the hair loss. I know it is a big thing and I worried about it so much too, but..............................it is uncanny that when it actually happens, it is a relief. First of all what hair hangs around will begin to be uncomfortable and you will be happy to have it gone. The other thing is that the anticipation.................of every part of this journey..............has proven to be worse than the event itself. I am almost five months out of chemo, and two and a half months out of rads. It will be one year on July one since I found my lump. My hair is coming back and it is incredible the positive comments I get about the "style". At this point it looks like a high fashion "do" and people actually think I wear it this way by choice
. I usually tell these strangers where my do came from and then they are even more positve and tell me how I am an inspiration. I am not anyone special. I just followed the path, putting one foot in front of the other. I guess that is my point...............................we get there. So please don't stress yourself and just keep moving forward. Remember, when your hair is gone, you are over another big hurdle and then every day from then on you are closer to having your own hair again. Hugs and good wishes to all of you.
Caren
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Jill good luck with your test. And Happy Anniversary! Your husband expressed so beautifully what most of our loved ones are most likely feeling.
Geri I'm glad you had a good day. We need them. May day next year is something I will be looking forward to also. My steriods just made me bright red...
like a lobster.
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Jill, your story with you and your husband made me tear up a bit i must admit. He really said it all didnt he? Happy Anniversary, enjoy!!
Caren, I love your last post. Though my mom never expressed any distress over the loss of her hair , it must affect everyone in some way. This really reminds me of something she would say and I will be sharing this with her.
Cindy, hope you are enjoying family time. My little one is into Cars too. Lots of stuff for Grammy to buy.....Hope you are well.
Kaidog, I am enjoying your posts as well. You sound like a take life by the you know what kind of girl. Love it!
Everyone else.....Hope you are all doing well. Thinking of you all as always, Shannon
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Jill, I also got tears in my eyes when I read your story about your husband. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. That's a beautiful story. Happy Anniversary!
Janet, I just chopped off a foot of my hair yesterday and I am astonished... because I like my hair short. This is shocking. I grew up in a very, er, conservative Catholic family and my mother insisted on short hair until I was out of the house at 18; she was also hypercritical of just about every aspect of my appearance. We get along great now and she's mellowed tremendously with age, but my hair has remained a "sign" of my independence and adulthood. Also, I'm 5'9 and very broad shouldered and weigh about 160 pounds, so I'm kind of big... and always thought I needed the hair to balance the rest of me.
So... cutting that hair off was a huge deal for me, but the shocker came when I was holding my braid in my hand and felt dizzyingly, happily, joyously free of that damn hair. Later, I was doubly surprised when my husband, who looooves long hair, looked at me and said, "That haircut is really great on you. Looks like you always had it, totally natural." HUH? And this morning I woke up thinking, "Bald? Meh. No big deal."
Then I ask myself, "WHO IS THIS WOMAN AND WHAT HAPPENED TO NEUROTIC LAURA???"
So, Caren, you offer wise, wise words to remember: the anticipation is worse than the actual event. That's been true for everything I've gone through so far.
Shannon, thanks, I've been called far worse. Looking forward to reading your posts, too.
Anyone here on Facebook? Would love to connect. I am joining Jill's DH in harassing her to get an account set up. It's such fun... but also a phenomenal time waster...
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Wow.. Busy thread last night. Thanks to all for your kind words and wishes on my anniversary.
Shannon - I was thinking about you this morning and here you popped in. How is your Mom doing post chemo ? We have not heard from you in a while on this. Has her BRCA test come back yet ?
ikat - Nice hearing from you. I well remember that steroid glow. Found those things a necessary EVIL. Hang in there - and yes, we will all look forward to next May !
Caren - Nice reminder on the hair. I have often said that if I had a "do-over" on this thing (and let's hope I NEVER have one of those), that the one thing I would do differently is lose the hair on my terms as opposed to letting the chemo do it for me. Damn shedding nearly made me crazy. It was a relief once it was gone. And I have found the same thing you did when it came back. I get COMPLIMENTS on it now - and someone pointed out to me that I have the rare chance that I can document my hair at any length and decide how long I like it. So, I have done that with photgraphs taken at different lengths. That part is kind of cool. (And... let's hear it for the lack of leg and pit shaving - I did not enjoy that part when it came back).
Janet - How are things going for you ? Sounds like the drugs are playing with your emotions a bit. You know, I found that to be the damndest thing. I KNEW the drugs were affecting my mood - and yet there was not a damn thing I could do about it. It was a little like when I was all hormonal after delivering my babies - just about anything would make me cry. I knew it was the hormones, and yet, I STILL did it. I was also super sensitive to the steroid. Made me really bitchy (well, more than usual). Family learned to stay clear of me when I was like that. So.. hang in there. The steroid crash should be coming shortly if it has not already.
reen - Hi. I have noticed you have popped in on a couple occasions, but are approaching your one year anniversary - congrats on nearly hitting that milestone. Let us know how you are doing and your story if you feel up to it.
Geri - You post was simply beautiful. Who cares if it is the drugs that caused the emotional ephiphany. Nothing compares to the realization that a beautiful spring day can be its own reward - and that this "experience" is simply a bump in the road. I hope things continue to look up for you.
Cindy - As we have not heard from you, I am going to assume that Grandma is having a great time with her grandson and his "Vroom, Vrooms" ! They are so cute at that age.
Laura - Ah hell.. you know what I think. We have been talking. (But for the record, Shannon - Laura is definitely one that takes life by the you know whats).
Jill
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Laura - glad you were able to get through the first haircut without becoming a blubbering idiot. That was the worst day for me, and the most emotional - chemo decision day/cut my long hair short/try to find a wig (bad day to do that if you are already emotional - nothing looks good). Plus the added experience of having an unemotional sister cut it. Everyone loved my short 'do, except my DH, who was I think more upset about me having to go through chemo than anything else. On the day we had to shave it, about 15 days after first tx, it was such a relief because my scalp was so tender and sore, that I celebrated it. Now, I can't wait for it to grow in - am very impatient about that!! I started thinking that it's been 5 months already since I found the lump and all of this started - and wondering what next January will feel like, since this has been such a rollercoaster ride - fast, unexpected swoops and lovely glides during those times when I'm feeling wonderful and it's beautiful out and I'm not worried about anything, and the round and round part when nothing seems to be different.
We had a wonderful night last night - it was a little cooler after a violent rainstorm and we took the jeep out with no top on it, and cruised around - got some coffee, went down to the river, saw an incredible sunset - half of the orange flaming sun almost down, with a huge black thunderstorm behind it, providing the perfect backdrop to let it glow - then stopped at what is probably the only Greek diner in 100 miles to have a quick bite - it was a nice, peaceful night and we had such a great time. That's what we've been trying to do - steal little times like this, and like what you did, Jill, and just have "us" time enjoying each other and the beauty around us. Planting flowers today in the yard now that it's rainy season - nothing should burn up and disintegrate.
I am on facebook - love it - and have connected with so many old friends that way. I'll friend you, Laura - michele vongerichten is how I'm listed.
Geri, so glad you are doing much better this time around!!
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Hmmm.... For the record, my lack of Facebook account was my attempt at social rebellion. I spend enough time on this computer as it is.
My husband, my kids and even my mother have been pestering me to get an account. And given I lived internationally for so many years, I got folks there pressuring me too.
I feel the rebellion crumbling. I hate being compliant. Grrrr....
Jill
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I love Facebook, get to irritate and embarass my daughter on a daily basis! LOL
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Hi Jill. Yes it will be one year this week. Thanks for asking. This is my second time with BC. First was in 2005, right breast. I only had radiation. This time it's my left which is a second primary. I had chemo, radiation and now on Arimidex. This Friday I'm having my ovaries removed and hopefully my port taken out. First BC, I found the lump. Second was found on a mamo. I'm still shocked sometimes that there were lymph nodes involved as I was being checked every six months.
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Jill,
Mom is doing well as I see it. She tires pretty easily and is still having bouts with her stomach. From what I am reading here, this must be pretty "normal" for lack of better word. Loading dose of Herceptin this Wednesday and hoping to get results of the BRCA at that time. Other than that....She has been chomping at the bit to get into her pool, which she did this afternoon. I swear that woman would live in the water if she could, a real Florida girl. Still saying "I'm almost better now" as she always does. Fantastic lady that one is. Thanks for thinking of us. Hope you all are having a restful Sunday. Shannon
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Good Morning, Ladies !
Last night hubby and I went out for dinner followed by seeing "A Chorus Line". It was as good as I remembered seeing years ago.
reen - That is a heck of a story. I am sorry you have had to go through this TWICE and astonished that this was found to be node positive while being checked out every six months. Thanks for letting us know your story. I hope your surgery goes well this Friday. Let us know what is happening.
Shannon - Glad to hear your Mom is doing pretty well. Yes, what you describe is normal. One word of caution - my loading dose of herceptin was kind of rough. I got severe chills and fever from that thing. It is a pretty big dose. All the SEs went away the next day. Subsequent doses were easier. Just remember that when she gets it.
I gotta go to work. Everyone have a good one.
Jill
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