Starting Chemo April 2009
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Hi all! Was supposed to have my treatment #4 on Friday. Doc postponed due to blisters on my feet (one foot). I have been having terrible S/E from the first 3 treatments with my feet. Lots of pain, felt like blisters, but initially no blisters. Just a lot of pain on the balls of my foot making it so painful to just walk! In the last week developed two terrible blisters... one much larger than a quarter. Went to my primary care doc since when I called onc office they didn't seem to be concerned to doing anything about them. Primary doc wouldn't touch them... needed popped but he only prescribed antibiotic to prevent infection (this was on Tue. before my scheduled treatment.) Doc said he would eliminate the last of the Cytoxan/Doxorubicin treatment and move on and do 5 treatments of the Taxol instead of the planned 4. Hopefully will resume this Friday and proceed without any further foot issues. Anyone else experience anything like this? He said he's never seen anyone with the severe blisters before! Of course, I'm the 1st! All other S/E's have been minimal... and I've heard that Taxol treatments are a piece of cake compared to the 1st 4 treatments. I'm trying to think positive.... Anyone agree with that?
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Crawling out of the Hole...
Well family, it's been an interesting 4 days.
Chemo #3 started out normally with a slightly early arrival, 7:45am for an 8am appointment.
It was unnaturally crowded in the waiting area. After I checked in and sat down, lots of women started asking me about my head gear. I decided to go wigless and wear one of the luxurious 100% silk head wraps I got from www.franceluxe.com This incredibly generous company provides one free "It's a Wrap" through their GoodWishes program for any woman going through chemo. The wrap is a little too large for my head, but I wore it anyway and it looked fine.
Every woman who asked me about the wrap was a "newbie." So I spent a large part of the morning giving them my tips and hints, all of which I learned from other survivors who informed me prior to my treatments.
The sheer number of new women starting their chemo journey that day was a little depressing. Then it became annoying as I realized they were taking the newbies in first. LOL!!! So it was almost 930am before I even got called back!
For those keeping track...I lost 5 pounds the first week of chemo, gained all five back, lost two, and have now gained 1. Maybe I oughta lay off the Stouffer's for a minute? Nahhhh....
Anywhoo...I didn't get Nurse Joanne although she was on duty. She did come by to visit though. I got Nurse Susan, which turned out to be a blessing because she is a 4 year breast cancer survivor! AND she had the tummy-tuck procedure I'm seriously considering for reconstruction, so it was really nice to talk to her in depth about her experiences.
BFF Zulema was awesome going to get snacks and real food. Ok, explain this to me. WHY would you put vegetarian chili on the lunch menu for people having chemo? It's yellow with vegetables...think about it...yeah...not so much. *smh*
Mom brought big beautiful strawberries which complemented the chocolate pudding VERY well! That was a winner!
Speaking of winners, I did NOT win Scrabble. In fact I lost. Mom came in 2nd, and Zu won. The only dirty words from me were RIDERS, and BULGES. LOL!!! I need more practice...
Given all the newbies and a nearly full chemo suite (31 patients can be getting chemo at once), I did not get my pre-meds until 11:51am!!! It was a LONG day!
I talked numbers with my oncologist. Right now my risk of recurrence are somewhat hard to predict with the advancements that treatment with Herceptin brings, but he estimates it to be 30-40%. That may drop to as low as 20% if I consider having my ovaries removed, seeing as my cancer is estrogen-receptor positive.
My current 10-year survival rate is 70%, which again can be improved when the 5-year #s for Herceptin start to come in. I am a part of that important five-year grouping.
The new advancements in treatment are heartening, so I take the numbers on advisement. Having chemo first also makes the numbers harder to predict. And of course, lifestyle, overall health, stress, all play a part in improving my survival and reducing my risk of recurrence.
BFF Cathy came up to stay with me again and I decided to go see and have dinner with my Dad. Dad & I have vigorous disagreements over my chosen course of treatment/cure and it has made conversations difficult. But he is coming around and I think being able to see me do so well (Praise God!) has helped calm his fears for me. So we all went to BoneFish Grille and I managed to fall asleep at dinner! LOL!!!
Yes, folks, the fatigue is real! I have been far more tired this time around. This is not helped by the buzz the steroids give you. My body is still confused, but I'm managing it better because I know what to expect. So in some respects this process gets easier.
I realize that I need to nap or rest after every energy-demanding task. I get up and make breakfast. Rest. I brush teeth. Nap. I take shower. Snooze for real. Get dressed. Sit in chair for a minute. LOL!!! So my normal 40 minutes to get ready and out of the house has now expanded to 90 minutes. It's all good...I just know now!
Today I took myself to get the Neulasta shot. Came home and crawled into bed and actually got some decent rest right into the afternoon. Just up a few times to pee and eat. I tried to stay awake through the afternoon just so I could try and guarantee some sleep tonight. We'll see.
All this to say, I'm crawling out of the hole slowly. I plan to take tomorrow off and do laundry and get myself ready to return to work later this week. BFF Steph will resume driving me to the train station on Wed & Thurs. That worked out really well last time. By Friday, all meds should be out of my system and I should be back to normal energy levels. I am blessed and so grateful that my experience thus far has been DOABLE!
Going to go lay back down...
Alaina
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Hope everyone had a great Memorial Day.
I wish all of us doing chemo this week a easy SE free treatment.
Geri I hope your DR lets you have chemo this week, and that you are better from being sick (i can't spell penonenia right
and spell checker can't either.)
Dutch I think its great that you are taking care of the kitten (having then fix,) it is a great idea. At one time there were agencies that would help with the cost. I wish I could remember who did it. If I get my brain back I will let you know.
kathy
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Hi Pam
I had my last done dense AC on the 19th - I had a lot of trouble with this one with fatigue and generally not feeling well. But today is a new day and back to work and I am grateful. I did feel well enough yesterday to venture out to the casino with my mom for a few hours and actually made a little money. That never happens HA. Sounds like I am just a day ahead of you so when I have Taxol on next Tuesday I will post how it goes.
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Hi Lemonandlime,
I've been taking Tylenol Arthritis around the clock since my joint pain cropped up after my 3rd TC. I've also been doing Epson salt bath soaks which have helped.
Have you tried water-down root beer or any ginger ale?
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Stephanie!
I'm glad to hear you are feeling a bit better. And that you won money. Are you close to a casino? We have to go to another state to gamble here, so it's a trek!
My last DD of AC was last Weds and it hit me really hard too. I had really hoped to avoid the awful feelings from chemo, but this is incredibly hard. I've had some nausea, but really the fatigue and just feeling bad is incredible.
I go for my RVG (or MUGA scan) tomorrow, I'll be on Herceptin with the Taxol so they need to make sure my heart is doing okay. I am nervous about the SE of the Taxol. The whole thing about possible allergic reaction to it makes me nervous. Just 12 more weeks! I can hardly wait for the summer to be over!
Pam
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Pam, I hope you are starting to feel better. I have my MUGA tomorrow too. Crazy how in sync we are. I had an EKG today and that looked good my primary doc said. I have develpoed a case of thrush though but I brought it to the attention of my doctor quickly today so I am starting diflucan. My primary also commented today that Taxol will be very tolerable as compared to the "killamyacin" as he referred to it. So I am still very hopeful we are going to be pleasantly surprised at how much better we are going to feel in the coming weeks.
You are right though since I am HER neg I wont have Herceptin. I haven't reseached it so I am praying that it doesn't cause a lot of terrible S/E for you.
Isnt that sad that we are praying for the summer to be over - Summer is my favorite and I feel bad somedays wishing for Christmas and Snow, As I hate COLD WEATHER lol. But I will never be so happy to see it snow the first time as it will mean chemo is behind me.
We are going to be just fine and we WILL not be allergic! Power of positive thinking.
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Oh yes I live in Kansas - yes the land of OZ. : ) There is a casino 45 mins in every direction from my house.
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comingtoterms, I will be starting chemo in 2 weeks. Carboplaten/Taxotere/Herceptin - 6 cycles of all 3, then continuing on with Herceptin for a year!!! I am totally A Personality....I'm in sales!!! I read your post and others too and I am concerned about working!!! I had a bi-lat mx with DIEP, 3 weeks ago and have been off for that....My LONG term Disability doesn't kick in until i'm out for 3 months....I was going to try to go back starting on the 8th of June and start Chemo on Fridays(12th) to be sick over the weekend, so I can go back to work and pay bills!!! However, after reading....maybe, I should at least wait until after my first treatment!!! My ONC said I will know on the 1st cycle, how I will react to chemo!!!???? My job requires driving 2 hours one way a day....That drive can make me tired, without chemo.....I can only imagine with chemo!!!! I was going to try to work from home on Fridays and Mondays, my company is pretty good that way.....however.....it still is 3 days of driving 4 hours a day just commuting!!!!! Any suggestions???
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Jeezy, You and I have almost the same diagnosis....what are your taking for chemo, if you don't mind me asking. I start June 12th and will be taking Carboplatin/Taxotere/Herceptin every 3 weeks for 6 cycles, then Herceptin continuing on for a year!!!! I'm nervous about chemo and how I will react....if I can work.....I think that the chemo, will be the first real sign of me looking sick....everyone, says you look great, after my bi-lat mx w/diep. Sorry to be jumping in on your thread for April Chemo....there isn't one started, that i saw for June!!! Thanks all!!!!
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Candy,
I am in sales and I am having different chemo than you dose dense Adriamyacin 4 cycles then Taxol 4 cycles. I am in sales. I have been fortunate to telecommute thanks to my company.
If you can start on Thurs instead of Fri it may be better as you do not feel too bad the first 48 hours...you usually get a shot of Neulasta 24 hours after chemo if you are getting it. I am on Thurs and really Sun and Mon are my worst days but I am on different chemo
If your company can let you telecommute that is the best and I have been able to keep working and I am on the worst of it now I have done 3 cycles of the red death one to go. The next 4 cycles are suppose to be easier...
My concern for you is the drive. They have great meds to help minimize nausea and pain but they do make you tired and for the pain you may get a mild narcotic (hydrocodone ) which helps when needed and Atavan but I cannot imagine having to drive that far with that in your system and I am an A personality too but chemo does fatigue you.
If your job is mostly on the phone and email see if they can accomadate you is my suggestion. For most people (like us) feeling as "normal" as possible is helpful. I think being able to still work has really helped my mental process getting thru this. Without my work my mind would spin out of control dwelling on cancer. That is just me. Also months away in sales can cause you too lose momentum with your pipeline and I would be obsessing on that. Everyone is different I am 41 years old, my oncologist definitley felt in my case as long as I could work and my company accomadated me it was in my best interest from a mental health standpoint.
Wishing you the very best and feel free to ask me anything - I don't know too much but I will help where I can!
Regards
Lesley
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Candy, hi. I was on taxotere/cytoxan, and work in marketing full time. I did what Lesley did - got my treatments on Thursday, so took off Thursday, but worked on Friday, because you are usually hopped up on steroids and you have the "high" and don't really start feeling bad until typically Sunday. It is different for each type of treatment, but that is what also happened to me. Sunday was the worst day, Monday I took off, and usually Tuesday, but managed to work from home via email and some phones on those days, returned to work on Wed., still feeling a little in the chemo fog, but well enough to work. I am definitely a Type A - and am the only person in my department, so I have a fairly good-sized workload. I am a multitasker, and found it very hard to do while on chemo - so keep that in mind and Lesley's comments about your commute and the meds they typically give you to help your body and mind deal with the chemo and anxiety you might have could make you drowsy or a little sluggish - if at all possible, try to have someone take you to and from treatment.
I do also agree with Lesley - it was good to feel well enough to go back to work and be busy, helps you take your mind off things, but also be aware you might not feel 100% the week immediately following your treatment, that usually is the second week. If you are able to do more telecommuting, do so, if for nothing else than you can rest in between calls or projects - your body will demand it!
Make sure you get lots and lots of fluids during treatment - water and gatoraide, a little white grape or apple juice were all I could do, but everyone is different. Protein and complex carbs also are very good - whatever you have an appetite for.
Good luck! You have joined a wonderful sounding board.
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Lesleyanne67, Thank you for your response!! I am 41 as well. I am in advertising sales....alot can be done over the phone....however they want you to get NEW business and that has to be face to face!!! I know they will be somewhat accomidating.....My local sales manager, paid me for days i was not there, prior to my surgery and my 30 day leave. I am extremely conserned about the long drive....I have been going crazy already not doing anything....told my boss NOT to give any of my accounts and leads away....I'm VERY competitive.......however, I'm realizing stressing about work and the day to day things...is not worth the pain of not getting better!!! Thank you again soooo much for responding....please stay in touch!!!!!
Polly
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I had my RVG (or MUGA scan) today and am getting ready to start Taxol and Herceptin next week. I am nervous about the side effects, but really really hope that they are significantly less than the AC that I've been on. I'm grateful to be done with the DD AC!
My latest obsession is about a recurrance. I don't know why I'm thinking of it right now, but my whole decision making about having a lumpectomy rather than a mastectomy was about survivability rates rather than recurrance rates. All of a sudden it hit me that this could come back and I'd have to go through this or something like this again! I wish I wasn't thinking about this now, because for the most part, I've been incredibly optomistic about this treatment ridding my body of cancer and hadn't really thought beyond that. Now, I think because I'm exhausted and can't bear the idea of going through this again, I'm scared of a recurrance. Now I'm rethinking the whole lumpectomy thing and wondering if I should have a double mastectomy to help ensure this doesn't come back.
I don't really know where I'm going with this, but thought maybe someone here is also obsessing like this too.
Next week is week one of Taxol and Herceptin, I'm counting the days for this to be over!
Pam
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Hi Candy14510,
I am a teacher at an alternative high school and I work with teen moms. My Onc and Surgeon suggested that if I had the option of using up my sick days and applying to our sick bank, that it would be a good idea. We're all in different places - except it seems there are a lot of Type-A personalities on this thread - me included! My job is VERY intense and emotionally draining, not to mention filled with lots of germs. I knew that if I went back, my focus would be on my students, because that's just the way I am. I also knew how exhausted I was at the end of a "normal" week, with my "normal" energy. (Not that there ever is a "normal" week when you work in Alt. Ed.)!! Every day is an adventure! For whatever reason, the universe saw to it that I had exactly the forty sick days of my own, which is the minimum needed to apply to our sick bank. I viewed it as a sign that I needed to do this. Yes, it has been very hard on my girls, and I miss them terribly, but deep in my heart I knew it was the right thing to do for me. I have learned a whole lot about myself over these last two months - and the things I have learned I would not have learned any other way. That is my personal experience. If my family would have been out on the street as a result of this, I certainly would be working right now. But when I return to my classroom in Sept., I will return renewed and better for the experience. Tammy
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I am having TC #3 tomorrow (Thursday) While I am nervous about SEs, the pattern thus far has been much as described by coming to terms. Friday I am still hyped up on the steroids. I start going downhill on Sunday - totally exhausted Monday and Tuesday and start feeling better on Wednesday. Unfortunately, this is my second dx of bc. Four years ago I was on CEF and worked as much as I could during tx. I'm also in education so applied to use my sick leave when needed. This second dx (a new primary) caught me by surprise and I'm finding the chemo harder. I also had bm this time and will also be doing rads again. So I'm not working now - partly the fatigue, partly the long drive, partly the potential for infection especially during week 2 - so I'm using my sick days for now. Once I know when rads will be done, I'll make a decision about going back to work but this time it was the right thing for me to stay at home and to not think about work.
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Pam
Remember it can come back even if you have a mastectomy. We both know that once we have cancer unfortunately there is always a chance it will come back. But having that lumpectomy with radiation is going to get rid of it! If it comes back it is truly a very aggressive cancer and I would think these are the ones that will come back even if you had a mastectomy. My doctors I feel in my heart are very concerned for me - especially my oncologist and surgeon. My surgeon would not have done the lumpectomy unless she was certain she could get it all out and she DID. I am certain your doctors would have advised you what was best for you and if they did the lumpectomy and you got clean margins everything should be AOK. But there are always the darn rare "exceptions to the rule" with cancer aren't there.
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Thanks Stephanie,
I am feeling a bit better today. I think I've just spent too much time this week at the hospital, you know! I am more optimistic today about the treatment I have chosen and am not going to think about a recurrance! I'll get my kids to school this morning, take the dog for a walk and then see what the day brings (most likely a nap!).
My RVG was normal, I got the results last night. What a relief! I am so happy, I think maybe I was worrying about that more than I realized!
Today is a new day and I'm more hopeful today!
Pam
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Just got back from my 3rd tx. I am HALFWAY. It went fine - a little pinchy when she accessed the port, but then ok. Talked to a woman next to me which I have not done before. She was stage 4, and so calm about it, I couldn't believe it.
So now I am ready to work through the SEs over the coming week. The doc wanted to do the Neulasta shot this time but I said no, would take my chances on passing the numbers before the next one since I was borderline in the range where they suggest it. So we shall see.
BUT - I have a question. Is anyone else getting A HUGE NUMBER of hot flashes? I am getting them EVERY TWO HOURS on the dot all night long. Not much during the daytime but they are really interrupting my sleep awfully. Doc didn't have much suggestions (silk pillowcase!) since I can't do hormone stuff or anything estrogen-related b/c of my ER+ status. They suggest Effexor which I want to avoid if I can. Any suggestions? Anyone tried or know if accupuncture helps?
I don't mind the flashes per se, but the repeated waking up is really starting to affect me.
Also, is there a place somewhere else on this board that deals with this topic, does anybody know? I couldn't find one.Thank you in advance. Amy
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Amy, try black cohosh. I have been taking it for years for hot flashes and it helps - you will have to take it twice a day until they calm down some, but it is hormone free and doctor okay'd. Good luck with those!!
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Chelev - thanks but the doc said that black cohosh is not recommended for women with ER+ becaues it is a phytoestrogen. I will ask again but the internet research I did bore that out as well.
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Oh, that is not good - I'm ER+ and they told me it was okay. I'll do my research too. Hope I don't have to suffer with these darn things again!
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i had my last of the ac treatments yesterday! so happy to be done with those, i know i have at least a week more of being sick but the end is in sight. i start my 12 weeks of taxol in a week and a half and am full of hope that they will not make me as sick as the ac did.
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Congratulations! bombus
I had my 3rd of 4 yesterday. Hope you don't have any bad SE this time.
I wish you luck on the taxol.
kathy
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HELP~HELP~HELP!!
My first two treatments of FEC were relatively symptom-free, or at least tolerable. So I thought maybe I'd survive this without too many issues. Well # 3 was a week ago today, and I have been functional very little of that time. Some days it's taken all I have to shuffle accross the room.
After my afternoon nap, I woke up to realize that my mouth is starting to blister. Badly. In multiple places, including under the tongue. The oncologist and I agreed yesterday that I would have to stop treatments indefinitely (due to very stressful personal reasons), so I'm glad to have a break, but need to get this blistering under control. I'm sure the stress is not helping at all.
I've tried gargling a lot with Biotene mouthwash, baking soda washes, salt water gargles, which were all suggested by the nurse practioner. Now am "holding" ginger tea in my mouth. The blisters feel like they may be spreading to netherregions. I can only imagine how painful that would be. The bottoms of my feet feel like they may have blisters coming up too, but none are visible yet. I do drink lots of fluids (apx 60-70 ounces water per day). Can you suggest anything else that I haven't tried?
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luckofthedraw - has your doctor checked your WBC? I didn't get the blisters in the mouth, you poor thing, that has to be absolutely miserable, but when I developed the diaper-rash like blisters and rash in the nether regions, it turned out to be a fungal infection due to a very low WBC. He gave me a prescription for Nizoral cream, an antifungal cream that worked.
I'm sorry you are having such a hard time, I was there, with the really horrible side effects - and it's sad to read someone else struggling with their treatment too.
Good luck and hope you get some relief.
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Dear Luck - No suggestions here to offer but lots of hugs across the miles and strength and support sent to you. In the midst of the stressful personal stuff, this has got to make it even worse. Know that all of us care so much and surround you with love and encouragement. Even if you take a break from treatment, please stay active in our forum and let us know how you are doing.
Hopefully someone else here will have some helpful advice. Maybe you should post a topic in the general chemo forum page - it might get you more page views and more responses. I think this situation warrants it.
Best of luck to you. Please let us know how you are doing.
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Luckofthedraw, have your oncologist call in Miracle Mouthwash. I got that when I had a very bad sore throat. The nurse said it would help if I had any blisters in my mouth. The mouthwash numbed me up fairly well so I could eat and swallow. Good luck.
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Hi Everyone,
Hope all of you are doing well. I've not been posting for a while because AC #3 was really bad. Just had AC #4 this Monday. The SE are slow this time round. Last night, for the first time, I kinda passed out and then vomitted. This is the first time it's happened....but it felt good that something came out rather than the nauseated feeling all the time. After that, I slept like a baby till this morning.
I've lost about 15 lbs since I started treatment. It's probably due to the appetite loss and progressively, the blisters in the mouth and throat, as well as the diarrheas I get once I eat anything. So while I'm not eating much these days, I eat whenever I feel like it and hopefully stay strong. Otherwise there's always the IV Drip :P
Another week and one half, I start DD Taxol/Taxotere. Onc has already given me meds to take 3 days before going in. They are Zantec and something else. Just bracing myself for the severe bone pain.
Luckofdraw - Hang in there. I went through the same thing and it will probably repeat itself for the next treatment. For me, I had blisters under and on the tongue, on the mouth and some throat. I also had blisters in the netherregions. But it goes through a cycle and about a week later, everything just got better within a day. It just kinda miraculously healed. It does get better. To help with the netherregions, I put ice cubes with water. And when I needed to wipe it real clean, I used the wet wipes and dipped into the really icy cold water. It does feel better that way.
Good luck! Hugs to all of us! We are the bravest bunch of women and we are all gonna be well soon!!
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tulipbebe...don't get all worked up about taxol and bone pain. A lot of people never have that problem at all. I had 8 taxols weekly and never once had bone pain or much of anything else besides neuropathy in my hands and feet, and that goes away eventually. While in the waiting area for my very first treatment I overheard a lot of people comparing side effects, and the stuff they said about bone pain scared the heck out of me, but it never happened. Remember, everyone is different and you might not necessarily hear much about the lack of side effects sometimes
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