Question: Why does ILC mostly happen to post-menopause women?

BWorrier
BWorrier Member Posts: 58

I read a lot on web saying ILC's women are much older than IDC, as ILC cells rely on hormone more than IDC, why does it happen to older women? It doesn't make sense to me. Or did those women get hormone replacement therapy a lot during the menopause period?



Also how about younger women who got ILC (pre-menopause)? Is there anything in common between these 2 groups of women?



I just don't get it.

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  • Mazy1959
    Mazy1959 Member Posts: 1,431
    edited May 2009

    Hi BW,

    All I know is that I am the third in my family to have ILC and we all were in our early 40s when diagnosed and pre-meno. Hugs, Mazy 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2009

    I was pre-menopause and 45 when dx'd. Although... it's possible that it's found more in older women because it is slow growing and perhaps it's simply not found until it has grown for many years and then finally grows to a size in which it can be detected diagnostically or palpateable. Just a guess on my part...

  • Texas357
    Texas357 Member Posts: 1,552
    edited May 2009

    I agree with Laura that it probably has more to do with the time it takes to discover it, rather than when it actually starts to establish itself in our bodies. ILC can grow linearly, rather than in a more obvious tumor.

    I was diagnosed with ILC almost exactly one year after having a total hysterectomy. I had had 12 years of mammograms previously, with no indication that there was a problem. In fact, my breast surgeon said that most radiologists would have missed my cancer this time around because it was so hard to detect -- and it had already spread to 7 lymph nodes!

    No one ever mentioned to me that mammograms aren't 100% accurate. Plus I'm thin, I exercised regularly and I eat a very healthy diet. I'd always assumed, as did my friends and family when I was first diagnosed, that if I did get breast cancer it would be caught early. So it was a huge shock to have done everything right and still be diagnosed with Stage 3A ILC. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2009

    At age 46 (1995) had total hyster.   BS says my tumor probably took about 8 years to get to size 1.2 which would have started it about 2000.  From 1995-2005 I was on HRT with reg mammos that did not pick up anything until dx 10/2008.

    Texas357 - we can do everything in our power to take care of ourselves (can't say I did) but we have no control over our total environment - the air we breathe, way some of our food is processed (even some so-called "organics"), life stressors, etc.  A lady doing rads with me was also shocked that she developed bc because she has been a vegan her entire life.  I was shocked that she thought she would be immune.  Maybe your and her chances would have been lessened by caring for yourselves but there is no way you could have guaranteed it.  It's like people who develop lung cancer but never smoked a thing in their lives but they did have to breathe air  like the rest of us. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2009

    BWalker----- ILC is said to be "sneaky" and harder to detect, doesn't always show on imaging (mammo/US/MRI), and isn't always felt. (same situation with LCIS). My mom did have a lump with her ILC, was post menopausal, and had taken HRT previously to help manage menopausal difficulties. Did it cause her bc? We'll never know for sure--we had other family history of bc (her grandmother had bilat masts) so she may have gotten it regardless. My LCIS was found by suspicious microcalcifications on mammo--I had lumpectomy, took tamoxifen for 5 years, and am still on high risk surveillance with alternating mammos and MRIs, breast exams, take Evista for further preventative measures, and am doing well.  My mom is now a survivor of over 22 years without a recurrence and slao is doing well.

    Anne

  • lisasayers
    lisasayers Member Posts: 850
    edited May 2009

    My sister was 38 when she was diagnosed!  It basically appeared over night!  Yes, it is very sneaky!

  • nash
    nash Member Posts: 2,600
    edited May 2009

    I was 38 at diagnosis as well.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2009

    This BC is a beast.  Doesn't seem to be many "common" denominators.  No wonder there is so much unknown but we have come a long way - Thank God.

  • BWorrier
    BWorrier Member Posts: 58
    edited May 2009

    Thank EVERYONE! So far the sneaky and slow growing seem to be the only excuse to explain....hmmmm



    Sherri,

    I had exactly the same question as you. Or maybe today women get more attention to their breast exam and could catch them earlier than before? hmmmmm

    Hi, Texas357:
    But ILC is the 2nd common BC which should not be ignored....they already know it will be missed by mammogram....they even didn't find any mircocalification on your mammo? May I know whether you removed the ovaries as well or uterus only?


    Hi, patoo:
    Same question to you, may I know whether you remove your ovaries in 1995?

    Thanks.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2009

    Hi, also answered your PM.  Yes, removed ovaries in 1995.  Didn't know any better and heard - no more pap smears, no ovarian cancer, no periods - YAY!  As I think more about it though I think my PCP did mention the need for regular mammos while on the HRT.  I did them but nothing showed up until 2008, 3 yrs after I went off them. 

  • mlkelly58
    mlkelly58 Member Posts: 24
    edited May 2009

    I was 48 and pre-menopausal when diagnosed.  Mammo missed it, and my Gyn, Radiologist and surgeon all had problems finding it - both on physical exam and US.  If it wasn't for strong family history of BC, I probably would have ignored it.  (Radiologist wrote, "low level suspicion" for cancer on his US DX, but recommended a biopsy.)  I can see how women and their doctors would miss it until it got much larger.

    Mary

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2009

    Yes, I'm post menopause, I'm 66, just diagnosed with ILC, surgery in two days.

    I had an HRT implant at ages 47, 48 and 53.  In other words only when I really had to :-)

    From what I have been able to see in my very short period of research ILC is not age selective. My surgeon told me that ILC is often not detected early because they are hard to find. Someone else mentioned that the tumour progresses linearly but even that should not stop it being detectable by ulrasound or mammogram.

    I had a hysterectomy at age 41 but retained my ovaries,

    I had a papillary carcinoma of the thyroid in 2003. I have no history of breast cancer in my family.

    I have been having regular mammograms with the Breast Screen service since I became menopausal. I have had lumpy breasts for many years, called dysplasia, I think, and have never been able to tell whether I had a new lump or not so I've always left the check to the medical profession. About '93 I had a what turned out to be a breast cyst. I also have lots of lipomas in different parts of my body and they started occurring when I was about 22. If they grew quickly, were a nuisance in their siting or became painful I had them removed. None were cancerous.

    Maybe one day in the distant future the exact causes for all our problems will be known but not in our lifetime. 

    In my opinion the most important thing is to focus on living and enjoying life and the people in our lives. I have found a positive approach makes all things easier to deal with.  Be happy and don't forget humour, it helps.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2009

    Well, well well, marvellous, in and out with Day Surgery. Left breast has had the lumpectomy, is slightly uncomfortable but I did not have to have the lymph glands removed ! Sentinel node biopsy revealed no abnormality. I won't have the pathology result until I see the surgeon next Tuesday so I will update then. The anaesthetic was good, I didn't have any nausea or vomiting and believe me that is a huge plus.

  • cd1234
    cd1234 Member Posts: 169
    edited June 2009

    I am 37 (pre-menopause) and diagnosed with ILC stage 2. No family history. I was just doing a monthly self exam and noticed that my left breast felt thicker than the other, especially in the nipple. Thank God I have a good ob-gyn who was not satisfied with a mamogram.She pushed me through for an untrasound which clearly showed the mass. Anyhow, I am 4 months in to 6 of chemo, had a bi-lateral mastectomy. I pray everyday that there is no more cancer in my body.

  • hlya
    hlya Member Posts: 484
    edited June 2009

    cdean1971:



    Seems there are more and more young women got BC dx today...and I read something on internet saying the BC women are getting younger.



    You will be fine!

  • lilablue
    lilablue Member Posts: 8
    edited July 2009

    Hi all,

    I am another BC warrior for ILC who is premenopause (35 years old). No family history, no risk factors, healthy and sportive life. My ob/gyn told me to not worry when I show him the lump last August. But thankfully, he ordered a mammogram followed by a biopsy that revealed BC. I went through right breast mastectomy with immediate reconstruction, chemo and rads. I am on tamoxifen since last March.

    As you see, So ILC also happens to 'younger' women. If somebody has some additional information on prognosis of ILC compared to IDC in young women, Because we are underrepresented, I do not find any documentation.

    Thanks all!

  • Survivor07
    Survivor07 Member Posts: 71
    edited July 2009

    At age 43 I was diagnosed with DCIS in left breast (resulting in mastectomy) and was diagnosed again, at age 52, with ILC in my remaining breast (resulting in mastectomy).  Tested negative for the mutaged genes.

  • delaine
    delaine Member Posts: 72
    edited July 2009

    I was diagnosed with ILC - no palpable lump but a dimple in breast. Regular mammos every year but tumour is 2.8 cm. I am post menopause.

  • Gitane
    Gitane Member Posts: 1,885
    edited August 2009

    Hi delaine,  Big hugs and welcome to the ILC forum.  You are rather hidden here at the bottom of this thread; I'm glad I found you. You may want to start a thread of your own here on the ILC forum to introduce yourself so others find you.  We are an exclusive club here because ILC is so much more rare than IDC.  It's a good place to meet others who have experience with this. 

    I also read that you are in Canada.  My husband has family living in the Montreal area and I loved it there when we visited.  There are Canadian ladies all over this site.  I'm sure you will find them very helpful.   

    My thoughts are with you as you deal with all this.  HUGS, G. 

  • javmo3
    javmo3 Member Posts: 9
    edited November 2009

    Texas357

    I just read your post and saw we have alot in common. I wondered about your treatments and how you are doing 1 yr after diagnosis? Looking forward to hearing all is well with you and you've been able to get your life back. I found this the hardest thing...getting back to "normal".

  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited November 2009

    Hi,

    count me in as another pre-meno--- dx last year --after 12 years of clear mammograms--showed up in a routine office visit breast exam--- ilc is slow growing--they think it started years ago---- never took hormone replacement, never on birth control pills, no family history--it was a stunner--- never showed up on a mammogram.  No nodes- but a 27 on the oncotype-so I did lumpectomy, chemo, radiation and now femara..... I feel very lucky----  but I don't trust mammograms as the sole source anymore--- I can get an mri once a year---- along with a mammo and I let just about anyone who wants to do a breast exam!!!!

  • rreynolds1
    rreynolds1 Member Posts: 450
    edited November 2009

    Hi Ladies,

    Mine was found in a mammo but missed by my doctor.  It was 1.8 cm with no lymph node involvement.  It was masked by density.  Very sneaky.  I was lucky it showed up.  I'm 59 but have had major stressors over the 10 years prior to diagnosis.  I'm done with treatment- surgery and radiation and am now on Arimidex (no obvious SEs). 

    Peace and Love,

    Roseann

  • Rabbit_fan
    Rabbit_fan Member Posts: 166
    edited November 2009

    Well, I was diagnosed at 45.  With the news stories lately about BPA it really has me thinking about that.  BPA was originally developed as an estrogen replacement.  It was abandoned for that purpose in favor of DES (another great idea).  Then it began to be used in plastics.  I used to drink a lot of soda - 3-4+ cans a day for many, many years.  And now I realize that it had BPA in it from the can lining.  It really makes me wonder if that is contributing to what seems to be a rise in younger age at diagnosis.  I've read that BC in general has increased 40% between 1973 and 1998.  There has to be a reason for that, and hormone replacement therapy can't account for an increase in pre-menopausal cancer.

  • kal52
    kal52 Member Posts: 26
    edited November 2009

    Hi Rabbit fan, just read your post and wondered if sun awareness is one of the reasons.  Women are covering up more, leading to lower Vitamin D levels which is a known indicator for BC.  Older people are usually not in the sun as much as the young anyway, so there would not be as much of a change in diagnosis numbers with them.  Just a thought.

  • JannaC
    JannaC Member Posts: 30
    edited November 2009

    Hello rreynolds1,

    Finally, I have found someone whose story is almost exactly like mine.  I was also diagnosed in February, 2009 at age 57 with ILC.  I had a lumpectomy, breast reduction (was a DD, now a small D) and then radiation.  Have been on Femara with no SE's.  However, they did not get a clear margin so I had to go in for a reincision 10 days after my first surgery to take out more tissue to get a clean margin, which they did.  That really scared me since I had so much tissue removed.  But maybe the tissue that was removed was in a different area than the cancer area. My oncotype was 19, so I was in the grey area but chose not to do chemo after discussing everything with my oncologist.  Did you have an oncotype done?  As I read these forums, so many women have had mastectomys and chemo, I often wonder if I chose correctly.  Thanks, everyone.

  • JannaC
    JannaC Member Posts: 30
    edited November 2009

    Oops!  I meant my breast reduction went to a small "B". 

  • gobuster
    gobuster Member Posts: 21
    edited November 2009

    I was diagnosed at 40 yrs.old and pre-meno.  Found lump through BSE.  At 40 I guess I'm considered young Kiss No strong family history...paternal grandmother had BC.  Very healthy lifestyle.  I can't ask why because nothing makes sense!

    Mary 

  • IllinoisNancy
    IllinoisNancy Member Posts: 722
    edited November 2009

    Hi,

    I went with the lumpectomy, radiation and Tamoxifen and I'm doing great with just celebrating my 3 year anniversary.  I wish you good health and a Happy Thanksgiving!

  • MrsJay
    MrsJay Member Posts: 2
    edited November 2009

    I was diagnosed with invasive and non-invasive lobular breast cancer 1 year ago (age 40) 11/2008 - Stage IV  metastatic and in my spine  . This was not picked up on the mammograms over the last 4 years and doc kept saying it was a cyst.  I finally told doc I wanted cyst removed and was sent for an ultrasound to take to breast surgeon - if not for the ultrasound I would not have been diagnosed with a 8cm tumor!  This was a shock to me - had chemo, bilaterial mastectomy (with removal of 21 lymphnodes), and radiation.  Was placed on Femara since my body would not metabolize Tamoxifin,  Required to remove ovaries since they cannot come back to life on this drug.  Have had battle with gyn to remove ovaries for fear of osteroperosis (been on Zometa IVs monthly while taking extra Calcium and Vitamin D supplements and I believe cancer outweighs this issue)  - and finally on 11/23/09 they are coming out - complete hysterectomy (LAVH).  I can't wait for I have read and while talking to breast surgeon that women on hormone blockers sometimes have problems with the other female organs. After this battle with gyn I am definately looking for another in the new year - a long with a new start on life!  Has anyone else had difficulties with doctor's not agreeing with one another on diagnosis and preventative procedures?

  • Kathy16
    Kathy16 Member Posts: 135
    edited November 2009

    Is lobular more aggressive?  I just finished all treatments (including implant exchange) with a primary IDC found on a mammo.  MRI showed nothing in healthy other breast - mammo a month ago showed nothing.  When they did the breast reduction in "healthy" breast to match my implant, they say there are multiple "spots" (microscopic) of ILC - is this b/c mammo doesn't catch ILC?

    Now I have to start all over again with mx, recon and I fear chemo?  Has anyone had this experience or know of anyone who found it during a reduction?  I'm also afraid b/c my other primary was easier to treat - E+ IDC, etc.

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