Antidepressants for Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome.

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Hi sisters, the idea for me was to get through this whole thing as easily as I could.  I was so grateful for the anti-depressives. 

I certainly understand if people do not want to go this route, nothing is free, but I was amazed at the way mine worked.

They are not addictive (but can be hard to get off of, you need to slowly reduce the dosage), they do not make you dopey or sleepy.  They are not even on the Substance Abuse List with the federal government.

They take from 3 to 6 weeks to begin working.  

This decision is very personal and each of us needs to decide whether or not to give this a try.

Gentle hugs, Shirlann

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  • mzmiller99
    mzmiller99 Member Posts: 894
    edited February 2009

    Shirlann - The more, the merrier, I say, and really mean it!  Depression is a big family affair for me, and I know how horrible it is to be without meds - especially when under big stress, like cancer, etc. 

    I assume there is situational depression that lifts when the stress is gone, but mine is an every day, life time, kind of depression.

     If you ever wonder how anyone with a loving family, kids, etc. could ever consider suicide, then call me and I'll try to explain.  Thank God, literally, that I had a lucid moment and called for help, because I was consumed with ending my pain. 

    And when you get to the point that you know you're depressed, you can be sure it's time to get on meds, because we are the last ones to realize how bad off we are!

    It's not a sign of weakness to seek help, it is a sign of strength to admit that sometimes we can't do it all ourselves.

    Susan

  • PhyllisCC
    PhyllisCC Member Posts: 397
    edited February 2009

    After my first symptoms in Oct 07, biopsy in Oct, dx of DCIS...extensive, then mast in Nov with "immediate" reconstruction, I was doing perfectly fine.  I thought.  Saw the onco who said, no chemo, no rads, (yay).  So, nothing but good news. Then middle of Jan 08 just lost it.  Ended up crying at work, at home, driving, and didn't even know why.  Saw my reg doc who was just wonderful.  Explained I had something simililar to post partum stress.  Now that the "worst" was over I fell apart.  He prescribed Effexor which I really didn't want  - but I did take it...gradually building up.  Ended up on the "middle" dose and slowly started feeling normal. Not extremely happy; just kinda normal.  It did take several weeks but I was so grateful that I could now function.  It can also can help some with hot flashes.  Shirlann is right, though, as I tried to go off of them this past Sept...and couldn't.  My doc said there was no problem with me staying on the meds...but not to stop and start.  So I slowly went back to my normal dose.  I have now been off  them for 3 weeks.  After two weeks I felt myself starting to feel bad...but hung in and this week can actually say I feel normal again. For me it really helped to get thru the last year.  I was so glad to find that it was normal to feel this way. It helps to talk to someone to find a treatment that can help.  Anti-depressents don't help everyone, but I'm so happy by doc offered them.  Take care.  Phyllis

  • Traci-----TripNeg
    Traci-----TripNeg Member Posts: 2,298
    edited February 2009

    Amen Shirlann. Except....I took Xanax and they seemed to work immediately. I honestly......think that I would have handled my cancer with boat-loads more tears without them. Them, and this site that is.Wink

    One of my sisters is suffering from depression big-time. (She's the one that had cervical cancer 3 yrs ago....the no chance of babies thing hit her hard too.) I've been trying to get them to get her on something, but she and her husband are all about "natural". Things have gotten worse, I'm still trying..... I hope my sister, and her marriage, survive her depression.

    Hugs, Traci

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited February 2009

    Well, I started antidepressants for my PTSD about a year ago.  I think it was really interesting in the APA position paper about benzodiazepines (Valium, Xanax, Ativan (lorazepam) etc.)

    "c) Benzodiazepines
    While benzodiazepines can reduce anxiety and improve sleep, their efficacy in preventing PTSD
    or treating the core symptoms of PTSD has been neither established nor adequately evaluated
    (156, 157). Concerns about addictive potential in individuals with comorbid substance use dis-
    orders may prompt additional caution regarding the use of benzodiazepines. Worsening of
    symptoms with benzodiazepine discontinuation has also been reported (158). However, in a
    naturalistic study of more than 300 veterans with PTSD and comorbid substance abuse, treat-
    ment with benzodiazepines was not associated with adverse effects on outcome (159).  "  p. 31  (2004) http://www.psychiatryonline.com/pracGuide/pracGuideTopic_11.aspx

    I was prescribed Valium after neck surgery, and tried to use it for sleep (after the surgery).  I didn't find it worked at all.  I'm not completely convinced my sertraline has helped my PTSD either; I started that at the same time as my biofeedback (1-08).  But my PTSD symptoms have improved since I started therapy in 2006.  I sure have some issues I didn't know about!

  • tami48
    tami48 Member Posts: 533
    edited February 2009

    I had my bm with recon (implants) and BSO.  No chemo or rads (yay!)  Exchange surgery was Sept 30, 2008.  I was doing great!  Now....not so great and I'm not sure why.  

    The past couple of months have really sucked.  I'm moody, irritable, cry for no reason, am really not interested in much anymore, I'm also avoiding friends and family, screening my phone calls....my poor dh!  My dh and I are going to Orlanda next Friday for a week and I am not the least bit excited about it.  I used to get so hyped up about our trips!

    I did finally talk with my dh about this and I'm trying to get myself together.

    I had appt with Onc today.  I told her how I was feeling and she told me that she isn't that kind of doctor, she said I need to see my regular doctor.  I told her that I don't have an appt until March 23, she still said I need to talk to other doctor.  Finally, my Mom spoke up and said "look at her, listen to her, she isn't herself".  The Onc then said that she would call me in a months supply of Effexor, but that I need to take this up with my regular doctor.

    Before leaving, my Onc told me that I just need to pick myself up because I'm going to be around a long time, and that there are alot of people much worse off than me.  I realize all of that.  I watched my sister lose her battle with breast cancer after 5 long years of fighting it.  Ladies here are fighting cancer every single day and I hate it.  I hate cancer.

    After what my Onc said, it made me feel as if I had no right to feel down or cry.

  • priz47
    priz47 Member Posts: 470
    edited February 2009

    I am glad your mom said something! My onc gave me my prescription for Effexor and i didn't even ask! She said 'Try it for 3 weks and let me know how you feel". I am appalled that your onc spoke to you in that way! I am sorry she feels ike you do not matter! We are depressed and guess what? We don't want to be!

    D

  • BFidelis
    BFidelis Member Posts: 156
    edited February 2009

    Hi 2New,

    I can't say I was OK at first and then fell apart -- just went to falling apart right away.  My PCP started me on an anti-depressant (Lexapro) after surgery/before chemo @ Nov06.  (As I have posted elsewhere, he helped me realize that oncs & surgeons understand pain.  Suffering is something different; they don't always recognize the suffering.)  Along the way, I added an anti-anxiety (clonopin.)  I found the anti-dep kicked in about 2-3 weeks when I didn't feel like I was ALWAYS in the well (sometimes.)  The anti-anx seemed to help me keep from getting emotionally over-worked.  Like, an email that the boss wanted to see me didn't end up in my gut as 'you're being fired; you'll die broke, ugly and soon in the 60 seconds it took me to walk into his office.  (Work at the time was MAJOR stressor.)  Last June, I gradually weaned off the Lexipro and I'm weaning off the clonopin now.

    You don't need to suffer.  BUT as pointed out above, there are many drugs in these categories and what's going to work is inexact.  (Fifteen years ago, my PCP had prescribed Zoloft for me and I got an allergic reaction.  So finding the right one has some angles to it!)  Talk to your "family doc" about it.  BUT don't start anything before the WDW trip.  (We're disnoids and I'm the master planner, so I understand how unsettling it is to not feel interested in going.)  I just got a bad case of hives when I had a bad reaction; Leaf will tell you there can be way more serious ones.  You do NOT want to be too far from your medical home base for the first 2-3 weeks you are taking something.  My hives came on the 13th day I had taken the rx.

    I once did not think that there would ever be a day without crying again in my life.  I still have some tough days, but now more without the tears than with.  Have faith.  You can get there.

    Dona Nobis Pacem,

    Beth

  • tami48
    tami48 Member Posts: 533
    edited February 2009

    Priz47,

    Your right...we do get depressed, but we don't want to be!  Yeah, I didn't like the way my Onc made me feel.  I'm sure she meant no harm, but....

    Beth,

    Thanks.  I definitely won't start on anything before the trip.  I'm really going to try to act more interested in going---I want my dh to have a good time.  I'm so glad that your doing better now and are weaning off clonopin. 

    I'm going to look up more on Effexor.  After thinking about it, I'm now scared to take it with my seizure medications....I take Tegretol and phenobarbital.  Guess I need to do some research and make sure there are no drug interactions.  I have grand-mal seizures and wouldn't want a new medication to help bring one on. 

    Thanks ladies! 

  • tami48
    tami48 Member Posts: 533
    edited February 2009

    PhyllisCC,

    I had no idea that the effexor could help with hot flashes also.  I'm so happy that Effexor helped you!    

  • mzmiller99
    mzmiller99 Member Posts: 894
    edited February 2009

    2newboobs - but, I think to have your onco tell you to buck up and stop having a pity party was darned insensitive!! We can always find someone worse off than we are no matter what we're comparing - age - weight -money  etc., but that doesn't mean that we aren't sr till suffering.  Good for your mama! 

     I told my onco that I felt guilty complaining when I knew people were worse off than I, and he just told me that my suffering was as valid as anyone else's and not to compare myself.  I felt more entitled to my feelings after that.

    Susan

  • nanna
    nanna Member Posts: 174
    edited February 2009

    Has anyone tried pristiq. It is a new drug I have a friend taking it and she is doing great a complete turn around.

  • hi5
    hi5 Member Posts: 374
    edited April 2009

    I am sure glad I found this forum.  I had bc and bilat mast with immediate reconstruction 3 years ago this May.  I had surgeries to do with reconstruction then found out I had brca gene so have ovaries and huster etc., then had  bladder problems.  Also within a year of bc dx I had diabetes, high bp, high cholestrol and thyroid problems... along with everything else.... anyways I sailed through all 5 surgeries and recoveries without any real problem and then.... wowie within the past several months things have been building up and now I feel depressed.  I have been on effexor but feel so alone ... I saw a psych and my family doctor... they say I am bi-polar/mood disorders but I do not have highs and lows... I know it is depression.  Is this called post traumatic stress disorder?  Has this happened to anyone else?  Thanks for any feedback.

  • shelloz1
    shelloz1 Member Posts: 405
    edited April 2009

    I am suffering from PTS and also from all the menopausal sypmtoms (including hot flushes, mood swings, etc).  My doctor put me on Effexor RX 75 mg, but I am finding that I get very nauseous from it (I tried 37.5mg, I don't get nauseous, but it doesn't help).  Can anyone recommend something else that will work for both the depression and the hot flushes?  I can't take any hormones or hormone receptors.  All feedback welcome.

    Shelley

  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited April 2009

    The 2 SSRIs that are FDA approved for PTSD are paroxetine (paxil) and sertraline (zoloft).  But any doctor can prescribe off-label (for a condition that the drug is not approved for.)

    I started out on sertraline 12.5mg daily, was nauseated on that, but it went away after about 5 days. (It helped to take it with food.)  I'm now on 100mg daily for the last 1.5 years. (I'm also on tamoxifen, so that's why I didn't want to try paroxetine - potential drug interactions.)

    Everyone is different so I'm not saying this would work for you.

    Sertraline has had varying effects on hot flashes. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16509835

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11997203

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15957964

  • westiesmom
    westiesmom Member Posts: 62
    edited April 2009

    I was dx 10/07 lft brst st/grd2 ER+,PR-HER2+++, did chemo and bi mastec expandrs/silicone 8/08. I actually felt better last year then I do now. I opened a small retail business in 2007 and was dx a few months later. Since Jan I feel I am losing interest in my shop that I had such a passion for. I have been on Adderall since 8/06 for ADD. Can I take an anti-dep if I am on Adderall. I hate to even take a Tylenol. I am wondering if what I have been feeling could be Dep. I was at my Onc office a week ago and just started crying. Life at home has been very stressful with husband and all. I guess I feel like I have really had no time to heal. Always going, going.

  • sarena32107
    sarena32107 Member Posts: 5
    edited May 2009

    Does anyone know if it is ok to take Ativan for PTSD while taking Tamoxifen?

    My PCP prescribed the Ativan for depression once I completed two years in treatment.

    Shelly

  • kmccraw423
    kmccraw423 Member Posts: 3,596
    edited May 2009

    I don't know what's wrong with me.  I seem to have lost my zest for life.  I am not sleeping well and feel like a black hole is eating out my insides.  I have been on antidepressants for years and can't afford therapy.  Like Bfidelis, I go to the worse possible scenerio only it is real.  I lost my job a year ago and can't find work.  I moved in with my sister since I could not longer afford rent.  I am devasting my 401(K) plan (which wasn't already devasted by the economy).  I have closed myself off from others.  I sit around my sister's house and do nothing except think about what a pathetic life I've led.  I never married, have no kids - hence, no grandkids, and basically have nothing to show for my life.  That's a sad commentary at age 62.

    I feel like I have suffered so much loss within the last year.  My reconstruction attempt failed due to infection and the fact that I have uncontrolled diabetes.  I feel like a big fat lump.  So now I am trying to be diet compliant which leaves me without my only comfort - food.

    When I was first diagnosed with breast cancer I think I just went through everything in a fog.  Maybe this is just coming out of the fog.  I don't know.

    Thanks for letting me vent.

  • pabbie
    pabbie Member Posts: 370
    edited May 2009

    Hi-

    I can relate yo you. I wanted to give you a web site my psychiatrist gave me for additional support. It is www.nami.org 

    I believe it might have free couseling. I haven't checked it out yet.

    Take care of yourself.

    P

  • kmccraw423
    kmccraw423 Member Posts: 3,596
    edited May 2009
  • tami48
    tami48 Member Posts: 533
    edited May 2009

    kmccraw423 - Just wanted to let you know I'm thinking of you.  Sounds like you been through so much!  I know what you mean by going through everything in a fog.

    Have you talked to your doctor about this?  Maybe you need a different medication?  Does anyone offer free counseling in your area?

    Try not to be so hard on yourself.  Do whatever it takes to take care of YOU!  And if venting helps then keep on venting....I do!

  • Sher
    Sher Member Posts: 540
    edited May 2009

    Well, I don't know if it's PTS, but there is something definitely wrong.  I was on Tamoxifen for 5 years after my initial diagnosis.  Since going off Tamoxifen in 2000, I have had the mood swings, etc that seem to be common for women when they are menopausal, but my menopause came before I even started the medicine and I never had symptoms.   My onc suggested that my body might need hormones but of course, I couldn't take them.  With my local recurrence (now TN) and bilateral masts (dealing with ugly deformed chest) because of this, weight gain (comfort food you know) and breakup of 39 year marriage, I need some help but am so afraid of antidepressants.  I know I'm dealing with depression and have symptoms such as crying, lack of interest in much of anything but eating, feeling like I don't much care if I live or die.  I'm a christian woman, but feel very far from my God these days.  I'm wondering if I might be able to try some hormone treatment just to see if it made a difference.  Any suggestions, anyone?

  • kmccraw423
    kmccraw423 Member Posts: 3,596
    edited May 2009

    Sher:  I hear you.  That is exactly the way I feel.  I am so sick and tired of being sick and tired.  I know I need help.  I have an appointment with my doctor on Friday but tomorrow I am calling the mental health services for affordable outpatient therapy or at least start the process.

    Why are you afraid of antidepressents?  ONe of the symptoms of depression is irritability and anger which is the one that put me on antidepressents.  The only change in my behavior was the irritability and anger weren't always present.  I think its time for me to find a new one or a combination of treatments because its not working anymore.

    I too am a christian woman and don't much care if I live or die.  You and I need to find our zest for life again.  What I am going to try is to start feeding my spirit by doing things I used to like to do.  As the depression deepens, I find myself isolating even more and 'punishing' myself by not doing anything to nourish my spirit.  This just seems to feed the depression.

    BTW, I just noticed that i am using words like nourish and feed - food is always on my brain.

  • flash
    flash Member Posts: 1,685
    edited May 2009

    Sher- don't be afraid of anti-depressants.  There is nothing wrong with taking them for depression. It's what they're designed for!!!  Getting your body back to "normal" is the fastest way to then help you truly get back to normal and off the anti-depressant.  The one major thing to realize is there is no one answer for anyone. Speak to a professional and see what they recommend.

    I hope all gets better for you. Been at the bottom, know what it's like, climbing out the other side at the moment. I hope you can do the same and climb out quickly.

  • kmccraw423
    kmccraw423 Member Posts: 3,596
    edited May 2009

    Flash - how did you climb out?

    Right now I feel like a big dog has me by the scruff of my neck and shaking me so hard I can't think straight.

    How do you make this stop?

  • Sher
    Sher Member Posts: 540
    edited May 2009

    I think my fear of antidepressants is that I might somehow get worse........not better!  That and I have this thought lurking in the back of my head that taking drugs will make me not be  "me" anymore. I know that physical exercise would help as would a healthier diet, but getting started doing that is another matter.   My regular md has suggested antidepressants previously, but I can't remember what he prescribed - never filled the Rx.

    Flash, what kind of professional?  Couldn't I just get the antidepressant from regular md?  I'm not sure at this point that I could make myself go speak to someone in the mental health profession. 

    I'm still curious to know if I could try a short term low dose estrogen just to see if it made any difference.  

  • Debonthelake
    Debonthelake Member Posts: 244
    edited May 2009

    Sher,

    I'm a mental health therapist with breast cancer.  My mother had ER+ breast cancer about 15 years ago.  Needless to say when I went into menopause about 6 years ago I was terrified of hormones.  I did my research and decided that a class of antidepressants called SSRI's were helpful for symptoms of menopause and had many less side effects than hormones.  I tried Paxil first and it gave me headaces and then tried a half a dose of Lexapro which has worked well for me.

    There are so many different medications out there.  If one doesn't work something else will.  Just be patient.  Talk therapy helps too.  Or if you have good pastoral counseling at your church that can be most beneficial.  But, sometimes it takes a little help from some medication in order to get enough energy to even try all of the other things that can help.

  • Debonthelake
    Debonthelake Member Posts: 244
    edited May 2009

     I posted this on another thread.  I thought it might be beneficial too.

    Certainly there is nothing positive about cancer.  It is a terrifying illness.  It is much healthier to be congruent and allow yourself to feel and show our emotions.  Too much smiling when you're screaming inside is not a good thing.

    That being said, there is a lesson I've learned.

    Almost 20 years ago in 1990 my husband and two sons were in a head-on collision with a semi-truck.  They all survived but it was a terrifying and long journey.  If someone had told me that I believed that if I was good, God would protect me, I would have denied that belief system.  But, after the accident my faith was shaken to the roots. Why had God let this happen to us?  What if they had all died?  My main identity at the time was being a wife and mother.  I had a long journey ahead of me to rebuild my sense of identity and my belief in God.

    On the other side of that journey I came to understand that bad things happen to good people all of the time.  We cannot control everything that happens on this life journey.  Learning to let go of control and not feeling like I had to be able to control everything was a hard lesson to learn.

    I learned that there is always one thing that I can control and that is how I react to the lessons or hardships that come my way.  I have been angry at times.  But, I have been able to let that go.  There really is no one to be angry at.  The rain falls on the good and the bad alike.  I certainly have been terrified.  Who wouldn't be? But, there has been peace throughout the ordeal.

    The prayer of Serenity has been a big part of what sustains me.  Lord, grant me the peace to accept the things I cannot change (I cann't change cancer and I wouldn't be able to create the serenity or peace of mind on my own)  The courage to change the things that I can ( I can do chemo, surgery, radiation, genetic testing, diet, exercise, prayer and meditation.  There is much I can do to fight this monster.) And the wisdom to know the difference.  Sometimes that is the most difficult part of the prayer.  Tears are healing.  Do not be afraid to cry.  We will come out on the other side of this and there is LIFE during and AFTER CANCER.

  • LeggyJ
    LeggyJ Member Posts: 726
    edited May 2009

    Before I was dx, I had just started dating an old friend.  When I found out, I had cancer I let him off the hook, even though he said he wanted to be there for me.  I just had to go it alone.  Last week, I ran into him at a local store, and he couldn't get away, from me fast enough.  He had that, I dodged that bullet look...

  • kmccraw423
    kmccraw423 Member Posts: 3,596
    edited May 2009

    LeggyJ - First let me say that is some cute dog!  Second, as to your friend - the way some people avoid us makes me think breast cancer must be contagious!

  • LeggyJ
    LeggyJ Member Posts: 726
    edited May 2009

    Well kmccraw423, I kept thinking your dog is really cute.  Your comment, hit's it home for me, people do look at you differently, after cancer.  During chemo. I had a hard time dealing with people looking at me with pity, or just outright staring.  You know when you look back at them, and hold there stare, and they won't look away...Kid's you can understand, but adults.  Today, I got my 3or 4th haircut, and I could hardly look at myself in the mirror. I'd avoid me too, if I could.

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