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staceyroberts2007
staceyroberts2007 Member Posts: 4

i have family history of breast and ovarian cancer in my mum, nan and great granwho were all diagnosed in their thirties..

 i am currently in the process of tryin to get a preventitive bilateral mastectomy to reduce my risks but it seems whoever i talk to in the professional field thinks i have not thought about this desicion properly and that am i too young.@ 20 years old i feel this would b the best route for me to go down to enable me to stop worrying and to enjoy my 2 young childrens lifes. what should i do to try n convince the professionals.

i went to see a pshycologist today who thinks i am making an impulsive decision about surgery and is goin to suggest tht i wait a few more years before i can have it but this is the worst think she can do.although it is all i have thought about for the last 2 years.

i worry constantly about getting it and it is now affectin the enjoyment that i used to have wen playing with my 2 young boys.

surely if i feel whats best for me is preventitive surgery there must b a way of making the doc realise this and carry out the surgery?

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  • baywatcher
    baywatcher Member Posts: 532
    edited April 2009

    Stacy-

    Calm down. You know there is a history of cancer in your family. So I suggest that you eat healthy, maintain a healthy weight, exercise, check out nutrition books about foods that specifically fight cancer and do self breast exams.

    I know that you are scared but it is very emotional to lose your breasts. I am finding that my joy and happiness is seriously affected by the loss of my breasts.

    I think your doctors are right. Please don't consider this surgery at this time. I am afraid that you will regret it deeply.

    Good luck to you.

  • LisaAlissa
    LisaAlissa Member Posts: 1,092
    edited April 2009

    Hi Stacy!

    Have you seen a genetic counselor? 

    They will be able (once you've filled out all of the relevant information forms) to assess your risks, given your situation and discuss them with you.  Depending on your circumstances, they may reccomend genetic testing (probably for the BRCA1 & 2 genes) then a further discussion. 

    I understand that research has shown that many women overestimate their risks related to breast cancer.  That may be what your psychologist was responding to... 

    But, if the risks (as the genetic counselor evaluates them) warrants it, they will help you explore risk-reducing options that are available (which may include a PBM).  

    See your primary care physician about a referral to a genetic counselor (ideally at a breast cancer center).  It's possible that the genetic counselling will even be covered by your health insurance, given your family history (but each insurer has their own standards, and the genetic counselor's office should be able to check that for you).

    Check out the web site for FORCE (Facing Our Risk of Cancer Empowered) which discusses risk assessment, hereditary cancer, finding a genetic counselor and how to manage risks.  You'll find lots of good information there about assessing and managing risks of hereditary cancer. 

    Once you've worked your way through the process, had all of the genetic work done, you may discover that you no longer want/need a PBM.  But if the risks warrant it, and you still want a PBM, you'll be in a better position to be perceived and treated as the calm, rational woman you will be (with all of the facts/evaluation at your command), and will (likely) have medical professionals who will support your decision.

    Best wishes!

    LisaAlissa

  • AnnNYC
    AnnNYC Member Posts: 4,484
    edited April 2009

    Stacy, I'm a little more inclined towards your opinion than baywatcher's.  Perhaps an intermediate step that would satisfy you and your doctors is to ask for genetic testing for the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes (and maybe other breast-cancer related genes like "p53 mutation")? 

    I don't know how commonly such testing is done in the UK -- but it seems to me that if you were found to have genes that are known risks for breast, doctors would listen very differently to your interest in prophylactic bilateral mastectomy.  And if you were found NOT to have versions of genes that are known to be related to breast cancer, then you might find that some of your fears are eased. 

    I don't want to intensify your fears, or fan any flames here -- but I don't want to be falsely reassuring, either.  It's great to eat right, exercise, watch your weight -- but there are lots and lots of women on this board who have done exactly that yet developed breast cancer.

    To me, the logical first step would be genetic testing, and I hope you can get it.

    If you already KNOW your genetic information, or know that your mother had BRCA1 or BRCA2 -- then I think your doctors are being really dismissive.

    Maybe some women on this board who have had PBM will chime in -- I think most do NOT regret it. You might also find some helpful info on this website that is specifically for women with a family history of breast and ovarian cancer: http://www.facingourrisk.org/

    Wishing you the best,

    Ann

  • AnnNYC
    AnnNYC Member Posts: 4,484
    edited April 2009

    I see I was "channeling" Lisa Alissa while writing my own post! Smile  Needless to say, I think Lisa Alissa's advice is spot-on!

  • Deirdre1
    Deirdre1 Member Posts: 1,461
    edited April 2009

    All of the above is important information INCLUDING the psychological issues of loosing ones breasts - you think it will solve the problem when in fact it may ADD to your anxiety...  So it's good you are seeing a psychologists!   I think everyone considering the removal of her/his breasts should see a therapist to talk it thorughl..

    You should have a BRCA test and your insurance should cover it because you are "higher risk".  Also, you need to have a breast MRI and that could relieve some of your tension while you wait.. Let me say that I had a mammo, digital mammo a sonagram and all were negative but the breast MRI showed an "area of concern" that took me on to a biopsy..  Breast MRI's and BRCA genetic testing is the way you can decide the need for a bi-lateral mx or just "watchful waiting"..  Your PCP can set you up with a genetic counselor and with your family history should have not problem doing that and that should be your first step..  (Insurance will pay if you state that you are "higher risk" and allow your genetic counselor to tackle them)..  Your psychologist will not see a problem because you are being proactive but not rash..  Keep talking to your psychologist thorughout the entire process.. a BRAC is just a blood test but it is expensive so you need the support of a genetic counselor first.  Good Luck and there is one more rule you should bring up with your doc's - it is routine for breast surgeons to suggest that anyone with a strong family history should start routine and advanced testing 10 years before the onset of the other family memebers so in your case time wise you are right on target for testing...!!!!

  • staceyroberts2007
    staceyroberts2007 Member Posts: 4
    edited April 2009

    thank u 4 ur reply

    i have already been to the genetic counseler who has put me forward to have the genetic test done but as i do ont have a relationship with my mother she will not go for her part of the test and my nan and great gran were sadly taken by this illness.

    to be honest if she did go and the gene wasnt there (which my consultant has advised me could happen) i would b more worried as i wouldnt know wether i was going to ontract it.

    i have followed all the rules step by step and still they seem not to be listening.

    i am beginning to wonder if i could get a letter drafted by my GP and college tutor to support me wether this would help as i feel i have exhausted all other options

  • cp418
    cp418 Member Posts: 7,079
    edited April 2009

    I agree with LissaAlissa post for genetic counseling as you certainly have a strong family hx.  Also, even if you should test negative for BRCA the issues may still be genetic and those tests are not yet available.  Your doctors should be screening you at your young age because of your strong family hx.  Be proactive and dont' back down for your peace of mind.  Eating healthy and exercise certainly helps but if it is genetic the stakes are tipped against you. Insist the doctors do their jobs and look out for you.  I am disappointed the female psychologist isn't listening to your fears.  Maybe remind her that people die from this disease and it is not so easy going through surgery, chemo, radiation, more......

  • Emily2008
    Emily2008 Member Posts: 605
    edited April 2009

    Your mother doesn't have to go for genetic testing for you to have yours.  It's your genes they're looking at--not hers.  I found out I was BRCA 2 pos back in November, after a cancer diagnosis last May.  Nobody else in my family has been tested. 

  • cp418
    cp418 Member Posts: 7,079
    edited April 2009

    If your blood sample should test positive for BRCA why do you still need your mother to be tested? 

  • cp418
    cp418 Member Posts: 7,079
    edited April 2009

    Exactly as Emily says.........

  • Deirdre1
    Deirdre1 Member Posts: 1,461
    edited April 2009

    Stacey:  The BRCA testing (blood test) will tell YOU if you have the gene, it would be helpful if you mom did the test and you could potentially avoid the test yourself but since she won't you can still be tested for your own results..  They like to test the person with breast cancer first, but they don't have to.. they only need the information from the family history - that would be helpful for your mom to fill in the blanks about other family cancers, but you already are high risk and a BRCA is available to you without the need to include you mom..  Good luck...  If you can get info on your family your genetic counselor can create a "map" of family risk and that really can help you with your decisions...

  • Gitane
    Gitane Member Posts: 1,885
    edited April 2009

    Stacey,  Does the medical system in the UK leave the decision making about your health in this instance in your hands or your doctor's and psychologist's?  That is, if you have taken their opinions into account and as a legal adult still want this surgery, will they perform it?  

  • staceyroberts2007
    staceyroberts2007 Member Posts: 4
    edited April 2009

    the maps been done and medical history all checked that was the reason i was then put on to the consultant i see now.

    but for some reason the psychologist thinks i am makin this decision for surgery route on a whim.

    this has been in my life and i have followed all their requests for the last two years.

    apparently surgery is left to the decision that the pychologist and consultantmake together although the psychologist did not have all my paperwork from various docs n genetics people so how she can make a decision that will map out the rest of my life i dont know. unless i find the money to go private which as a young mother of 2 and a student i really cannot afford it seems unlikely that this op will be carried out on the NHS.

    ud think they wud like me, want to prevent it with this op rather than my children be left with no mother when i do get it

  • 1Cathi
    1Cathi Member Posts: 1,957
    edited April 2009

    Stacey - I am sorry for your worries,  I do suggest as others have that you get the BRAC test and also the p53 mutation if possible in the UK. 

    I choose to believe your doctors are looking out for your best intrest both physical and mental.  I have been both routes over the past 3 years first lumpectomy and treatment and this past Oct (by choice - because of ongoing issues) Bilateral MX (with no reconstruction) while I knwe this was the best thing for me to choose and I had come to terms with my decison "IT WAS RIGHT" it was no easy decision, and it has not come without emotional baggage along the way -  even yet today from time to time the sadness of being BREASTLESS still hits me.  Yes I could attempt to reconstruct, however I will not I have had radation and fear the complications would be to many.

    You are 20 years old Stacy with a big family history so I completely understand your thinking as far as prevention, but please please do realize,  that the decision to have a MX does not mean you will NEVER fear BC again,  your body will be changed forever if you choose the surgery, and if it is the "RIGHT DECISION" for you then you will do well with it,  but sweetheart understand there will still be days when you might look at your body and cry.

    I hope this makes sense, you must make a choice you can live with forever and I wish you the best, take your time, think everything through.

    Much Love - Cathi

  • Deirdre1
    Deirdre1 Member Posts: 1,461
    edited April 2009

    Stacey:  Your psychologist needs to see the genetic map that has been made.. and then s/he can comment on your risk so that you can get a real feel for whether this can wait (the breast removal) for the 2 years.. But so few women end up with breast cancer this early - you have time and I would take the time to find out what is available to you under the reconstruction - there are so many ways today you and your therapist could take the 2 years to go through everything the "map" means as well as all the options that will be available to you if you should decide to go ahead.  I know that you are not doing this on a whim - but that doesn't mean you are prepared for this journey - so if you truly believe this should be done then do the footwork so that in 2 years you will know exactly what you are facing and how or if reconstruction is a good avenue (or even an option within the system you are in).  Good luck and please let us know how you are proceding!  Best

  • ElaineD
    ElaineD Member Posts: 2,265
    edited May 2009

    Stacey-you do have time on your side. I appreciate that you have been worried for a long time, and feel that this would give you peace of mind. Granted having bilateral mastectomies would reduce your risk-but it doesn't remove the risk entirely. It's impossible to remove all the tissue, so it could still happen, even after surgery. Granted, the risk will be much smaller, but please don't think that surgery  would be a guarantee.

    I think if you persevere, you will convince them-it's just the way the system works in this country! (I'm in Devon-where are you?) In fairness they have to be very, very sure that the decision is the right one for you. If you can remain calm and focused, presenting the same arguments, then they will likley agree. If you have the genetic test done, and if it's positive, you will be able to enlist the help of  a genetic consultant, and that would possibly be enough to tip the balance.

    I think in fairness to the drs, they are probably not dismissing you as reacting on a whim-it's a huge decision to be made at any age. You're in a very vulnerable place at the moment, and with no evidence of a genetic misprint, and no family support, I feel they are trying to protect you rather than putting obstacles in your way. If you want to pm me to chat further, then please don't hesitate. Wishing you well, xx

  • raissazhou02
    raissazhou02 Member Posts: 4
    edited May 2009
    I know what you said, and don't worry, some times, your related people give your unfair judge, just because they love you and worry about you, just like I went to buy three sim cards mobile  phone last week, I myself  are sensitive to the electronic products, but I want to buy one and study what my problem is , they thought I am crazy and stopped me. And I know they are worry about me.
  • makingway
    makingway Member Posts: 799
    edited May 2009

    I don't know if you can do this outside the US or not, but I got my test for free because I'm poor. It's usually @ $2,000.00-$3,000.00. The only company that does it is in Salt Lake City, Utah. I believe their name is Myriad. Their phone number is 1-800-469-7423

  • Janet0527
    Janet0527 Member Posts: 141
    edited May 2009

    Stacy - Absolutely positively have the BRCA testing done.  I'm older than you (46) but having just found out I'm BRCA-2 positive, I am planning to have my other breast removed as well as my ovaries (had a mastectomy on the L only when diagnosed earlier this year).  I didn't blink an eye before deciding to have the other breast removed based on the test result.  For someone as young as you are,  I can understand why you are being advised to very thoroughly think through your decision, which is why you really need to have this test performed and find out whether you have the genetic mutation.  If you do *not* have the mutation, you might want to re-evaluate, but if you do, you will be armed with convincing evidence that your choice of action is the right one.  As others have mentioned, your mom doesn't have to be tested.  The BRCA test is a simple blood test.  Here in the US we get results in 2-3 weeks.  Please keep us posted.

  • RuthieK
    RuthieK Member Posts: 3
    edited May 2009

    I am new to this discussion board.  I am 47 years old and had a prophylactic bilateral mastectomy on 4-23-09.  My decision to do this was reached due to the following:  My mom had breast cancer at age 32 and two of her sisters have had bc.  Since 2004, I have had multiple biopsies and tests (mammograms, ultrasounds, and MRIs) none of which ever give reassuring results...always suspicions loom, biopsies are ordered again and again.  It seemed I was being taken apart piece by piece anyway.  The last straw (leading up to my decision) was a recommendation (following MRI) for excisional biopsy on three suspicious areas in April, 09.  I was facing surgery anyway and sick of the anxiety surrounding constant scares.  Also, from info reported by radiologists, I felt like on other areas (that weren't being biopsied), a wait and see approach was being used...something I wasn't comfortable with given family hx.

    I was willing to be extra vigilant and by stepping up the surveillance if that route would have worked for me but because of the density of the breast tissue, there was so much that could not be seen...I feared a cancer could easily be missed.  The three areas to be excised were rock hard and not movable...the kind of lumps they always tell you to fear most.  I felt like I was sitting around waiting for cancer to happen and chose to be proactive (with full support and encouragement, in fact, by my surgeon who had been following me since 2004).  My mom was tested for BRCA 1 and 2 genes and was neg, but my surgeon said family hx is still significant despite her neg result...those are only two genes associated with inherited breast cancer...there are more unidentified genes.

    Stacy--you are young to want this, but I also understand how you feel.  Do regular self-breast exams see a surgeon regularly who will understand and follow your case and yes, do get the BRCA gene testing done.  But perhaps give yourself more time to make such a big decision.  I know this decision was right for me and do not believe I will regret it (although it is hard for me to make this statement now seeing how I am experiencing chronic post op nerve pain).  By the way, my path report was clean so this did end up truly being preventative surgery, but the result could have been different.  I am so grateful.  Before the surgery, I told myself that having the bilateral mast was what I would want whether the path report was good or bad.  If I can just become myself again (am going through reconstruction), I know I will rejoice and know it was right for me.  You are not crazy or wrong to worry...(I think you are smart to be thinking about this, given your family hx!)...just don't be hasty, as you are very young.   

    Good luck.

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited May 2009

    If you haven't already done so, please check out the FORCE website and get the genetic testing. If you are indeed BRCA+ then you need to find a doctor and a genetic counsellor who understand the risk and will help you to plan what you need in order to stay healthy. Surveillance doesn't work well so relying on that alone is not wise. Get more information.

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