Does anyone else feel the way I do?

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baywatcher
baywatcher Member Posts: 532

I have lost both breasts. The first to DCIS at 49 and the second to IDC, stage 1 at 53. Both my cancers were found on mammograms and both were grade 3. The first time they found DCIS in 3 areas and the surgeon didn't think I was a candidate for lumpectomy because of the extent of the DCIS. The second time I could have had a lumpectomy but opted for a mastectomy because I was already lopsided and didn't want radiation. I have had no recon but have a tasteful tattoo on my left side.

I feel like I am not coping well. I wish that I had never had a mammogram. I feel like I got on a breast cancer train and I got real scared and things happened so fast that I just wanted the cancer out of me.

Now that I have a double mastectomy, I am a different person. I feel less happy, I have a body image problem and I think about cancer all the time. I go to a support group and come to breastcancer.org often. I have dreams that I am smashing a mammogram machine or that I am standing in from of a mammogram facility holding a protest sign that says "Save your breasts. Ban mammograms." I am very emotional and cry often. People tell me that they see the sadness in my eyes. I see it too.

If I had it to do over again, I wouldn't have routine mammograms. It is not like I want to die. I have a great life, a loving husband, wonderful daughters and I will be a grandma for the first time this year. If I had found a lump, I believe I could have accepted losing my breasts much easier. Then I would have gone for a mammogram. If my cancer would have been caught later, it may have been worse but I think I would be less messed up in the head. How do I know for sure that my early stage cancer and dcis wouldn't have gone away on its own if I never knew about it? There is no breast cancer history in my family.  My grandmother died at 99 and never had a mammo. My mom is 74 and never had a mammo. I wish I never had a mammo. I just thought I was being responsible and proactive and had routine mammograms like other women. The doctor that attends my support group thinks that because I had no symptoms and my disease was found on films is the reason for my uncertanity and despair. I seem to be consumed with regret regarding my decisions.

I know that I need to move on and look at the good positive things in my life. And I have gotten better in the 6 months since my surgery but I don't think I will ever get over this. I have gotten pretty holistic since my surgery and don't take antidepressents and don't want to. I don't want to do recon either. I don't wear prosthetics, I just go flat. I guess that is my way of dealing with it. I just wish I had never had the mammogram. Does anyone else feel this way or am I just losing my mind?

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  • cp418
    cp418 Member Posts: 7,079
    edited April 2009

    I sense you have read some of the articles about how some breast cancers may resolve by themselves.  IMO I think you are alot like me in that we fell into that small very unlucky percentage group whose breast cancers were more aggressive.  Mine was only detected via a mammogram as it was deep against my chest and I have small breasts.  I am thankful for the mammogram as I would never have found this lump 1.8cm and NONE of my doctors were able to feel it upon physical exam. The center of my IDC was .5cm DCIS which had not been detected and had spread to IDC and one positive lymph node.  I ended up with lumpectomy getting chemo 4 DD AC and 4 DD Taxol plus rads and I insisted on a ooph too. 

    I realize I don't have the bilateral mastectomy like what your went through  -- but several times I asked for it but was told no for my circumstances. I did tell my doctors if they ever see so much as a spot on my mammograms then I want these breasts gone. Too stressful going through these scans and waiting to hear when the bc may be back.  I guess I have no words of wisdom as this is a very personal and hard journey for all of us.  For me, I feel the mammogram probably saved my life for now and I am very greatful for every day God gives me. Some how try to find peace and cherish every day.  I hope my reply doesn't offend you.  Hugs Joann

  • reen
    reen Member Posts: 164
    edited April 2009

    baywatcher, I'm sorry you are feeling this way.  I had breast cancer twice.  One lump I found myself and the other was found on a mammo.  I only had lumpectomies and now am considering a mastectomy.  It's hard to know what is the right decision. 

    I'm glad you had your mammograms as I'm sure your family is.  There is no history of BC in my family either.  Strange.  Sounds like you have a lot to live for.  It's understandable that you are sad.  You lost a part of your body.  I wish I had words of wisdom to help you.  I don't think the cancer would have gone away on its own.  Did your doctor suggest the mastectomy? 

  • swimangel72
    swimangel72 Member Posts: 1,989
    edited April 2009

    Baywatcher - I understand how you feel - the regrets - the doubting the decisions you made in the past. I don't regret getting a mammo (I skipped three years thinking I was low risk, but then an IDC nodule was found anyway.) What was your pathology for the IDC? Grade 3 is pretty serious - what stage were you and were you Her2+?

    I do regret having had a mastectomy and the free-tram - my body is not the same at all, especially not after the mrsa staph in my abdomen. My stomach is still numb and distended (from the hernia) and I'll need more surgery this summer to repair that and the new "foob". But ultimately I think I've started to move on. Being finished with the year of Herceptin has been a HUGE upper for me - I'm like you, I don't want antidepressants. It's enough I have to take a thyroid pill and Arimidex every day. Sometimes I re-read my old posts here at bc.org and that helps me understand the feelings of fear I went through and how I arrived at my decision to get the mx. Sure I could have had a lump with rads - but I was afraid - and who knows what other problems I've avoided since I avoided the rads? I prayed long and hard for God to help me arrive at my decision - and now I'm praying that I will stop looking back with regret. The biggest regret is that breast cancer the Beast EXISTS..........and there is no cure ...........so I have promised myself to try hard to move forward and pray for my sisters with mets and not to feel too sorry for myself as I go through more surgery.

    Please don't worry - you are NOT losing your mind - we lost control over our bodies and that is the most regrettable thing. THe answer is NOT in blaming the mammogram - it's blaming the BEAST (breast cancer)! If you have a tendency like me to think "what if"........think to yourself "what if I didn't get the mammo".........then imagine a different pathway your life could have taken, one where the tumor DID grow large enough to become a lump - where it infiltrated your lymph nodes - where possibly it became a Stage 4 - and you'd be lamenting that you didn't get a mammo soon enough. The mammo wasn't your enemy - burying your head in the sand is NOT the answer...........you did the right thing at the time you went through all this. Sure our mothers and grandmothers lived long lives (my mom is 85 and has never had a mammo - my grandmothers lived into their 80's) but rememter - they lived in a different world, a world without plastics and insectisides and other environmental pollutants, never mind the food we eat today is so processed compared to their day. You ar only 6 months out of surgery - it is quite natural for you to feel down about your body now. I'm sorry you don't want to consider reconstruction or prothesis as all, it might help you feel better. Hang in there and I hope you'll feel better soon!

  • idaho
    idaho Member Posts: 1,187
    edited April 2009

    YES!  I have said through this whole process that the hardest part is THAT I FEEL FINE!  I guess I just don't trust the doc's that I have CANCER, when all you can SEE is 3 TINY dots on a film!  I too wonder if it would have went away on its own.  Oh well- I guess it has started and I can't stop it now.  I do however think that I am NOT going to "chase" it, If Ih ave problems I will seek help, if not I am going to assume the best and live my life.   hugs to you- Tami

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2009

    If I never had my mammo I would probably  be dead by now so...nope, don't regret it.  I'm sorry you're having such a hard time and hope you are able to somehow get past this.

  • baywatcher
    baywatcher Member Posts: 532
    edited April 2009

    CP418 - No offense taken. 

    Reen- I saw 2 surgeons and they both said mastectomy with the DCIS because it was in 3 areas. The second time I could have had a lumpectomy with rads but chose mastectomy to avoid rads and for symmetry.

    Swimmer- With the DCIS I was triple negative. With the IDC the lump was 6mm and pathology was weakly positive ER, PR- and HR-.

    Thanks for your responses. My friends and family give me similar advise but I'm just not feeling better. And then I feel like a whiner because I didn't have rads or chemo. I have my own conversations in my head all the time, trying to get to a more positive place. I miss the old me.

  • baywatcher
    baywatcher Member Posts: 532
    edited April 2009

    Idaho- May I ask what treatment did you have? What kind of cancer?

  • Gez052
    Gez052 Member Posts: 27
    edited April 2009

    Baywatcher, sounds like you need someone with excellent listening skills, who you could talk this all through with. If its any consolation, i think we all deal with the 'what ifs' and the 'if onlys'.

    In my case, I had a mammogram 18 months before I was diagnosed with BC. The tumour didnt show up then and it was not at all clear when I had another mammogram just before surgery. The lump by this stage was growing at a rate of knots and could easily be felt and seen too. It was clear on ultrasound measuring 3cm.

    Its now 6 weeks since I had my left breast removed and I am still fascinated with my scar and it's ability to slowly heal itself, like me I hope. It reminds me of when I was a girl, flat chested and able to run with the freedom of a boy. My remaining breast is a sadly sagging reminder of childbearing.

    Of course I'd rather have both breasts, more importantly I'd rather not have cancer, and further I'd rather not have had cancer for a second time. That's the bit that gets to me, how many cancers can one person have??? But still, I survived before and this is a new adventure. Don't let fear snatch away your joy in the things that really matter, like your relationships  ... life is after all only for a while.

    If the loss of your breasts is the main issue, could you look into the prospects of reconstruction? if it is affordable for you. I'm not having one, but I'm sure my surgeon said I could have it done later if it was important to me.

  • KinAZ
    KinAZ Member Posts: 180
    edited April 2009

    I also had 3 tumors, but could only feel 1, and lumpectomy was not an option.  I decided to have a bilat.....I too am 6 months out of surgery.  I have opted for reconstruction and am very excited about it.  I was very depressed because I felt like everything feminine had been cut away or fallen out.....hysterectomy due to ovarian tumor...breast due to bc....hair, eyebrows, and eyelashes all gone to chemo........I felt like an IT.....but now that I am over all that and in the process of reconstruction I am excited.  Having breasts was important to me...obviously very important.

    Soooo, have you considered reconstruction?????  Also talk to your doc about PTSD, it is not uncommon for us to have this.  I hope you find your new normal to be a happy one, it may just take a bit longer so hang in there.  And congrats on the new grandbaby

    Hugs, Karen  Smile

  • nelia48
    nelia48 Member Posts: 539
    edited April 2009

    I'm completely on the other side of the coin.  I discoverd a lump in 2001, but because I didn't have any money or insurance, I didn't go for mammorgrams or anything.  I didn't have a GP or any dr. to see, so I just let it go until 2008.  By that time, the lump had grown, dimpled dramatically, and broke through the skin.  There was underarm involvement by this time, as I felt like I was constantly being stung by bees.  I knew I was in trouble, and ended up at the county health department, as someone had said you can get free mammograms there.  I didn't know how that would help, as I had no money for treatment, etc., after that.  But I went.  Little did I know that there were programs out there and they got me the treatment I needed.  I guess I won't know for a while if I was too late or what.  But I followed the treatment plan laid out for me and never questioned it for a moment.  My only regret is that I didn't seek help sooner.

  • maryoga
    maryoga Member Posts: 5
    edited April 2009

    Somewhat. I had a unilateral mastectomy two weeks ago and though the cancer is gone I am very upset and feel my body and been butchered.  I will have reconstruction as soon as possible. The thought of another surgery at this point is hard to think about. I have so much tightness and discomfort. I have been a basket case through all this and am usually a very positive person. I hope you can find a way to move on. Good luck to you.

  • maryoga
    maryoga Member Posts: 5
    edited April 2009

    Karen, I also has three areas of cancer and went for a bilateral mastectomy,but I am having such a hard time emotionally as well as physically. It has been two weeks, still have one drain and all the staples. there is so much tightness and some pain, especially as I try to do the exercises. I feel like a heavy duty zipper is on my chest and am being told I need to stretch. Do you have any tips? Mary

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2009

    Baywatcher, you have the right to grieve. Death has 7 levels of grief and you have had the death of control, your breast, your health, your self-image, your mental health, etc. You get the idea. Allow your body and mind to heal at the rate that YOU need. No one call tell you when it is time to "get over it." I hate that term anyway. Why, never mind how, are we supposed to get over it? I, too am flat and it's a reminder all day long of my cancer. I must admit, by being flat it is a constant reminder to those around me and I don't get those stupid "get over it" comments. It's obvious my body will NEVER get over it.

    All that said, be gentle with yourself. You didn't have control of the diagnosis so you lost a bit of power and options. That's understandable in your frustration. But now you DO have control over your healing. I pray you begin to feel joy in the life around you. Maybe a new grandchild in your arms will give you peace (I know I'm waiting....) Innocent

  • maryoga
    maryoga Member Posts: 5
    edited April 2009

    Geraldine, You are further along then me. I am having such a hard time two weeks posts mastecomy of my left breast. Can you share some insight on pain management and exercise and getting back into life. Mary

  • Gez052
    Gez052 Member Posts: 27
    edited April 2009

    Hi Maryoga

    I'm so sorry to hear you're in that awful stage of the recovery right now. Be assured it will get better. Yes, the skin will form adhesions and be really tight at first. remember it's also swollen. The drains don't help either do they?!  As you've had auxillary lymph nodes removed there will be additional pain, but you must be careful not to overdo the exercises in case of damaging the stitches. At this stage healing is your priority.

    I was told to take deep breaths when in hospital .. this was to prevent clotting ... and to get up and about as soon as possible, so I tried to walk regularly. I kept that up for a month. My doctor was very strict about not lifting my arm above my head or to the side until after 4 weeks or more. In hospital I was taught to gently clench my fist ten times, to twist my arm sideways from the elbow and to bend it to my shoulder from the elbow. And to wiggle my fingers! If you're home looking after yourself you are probably doing all that and more.  But finally just last week I've moved onto the advanced exercises and this is a great relief. I thought I'd never be able to lift my arm again, it was so tight.

     If you're like me you had stinging burning pain and sensitive skin, tightness of muscles and tendons plus numbness in and around the armpit. At 6 weeks out this is almost gone, so hang in there.

    Pain relief? Take 2 paracetamol tablets every four hours if you need to and drink plenty of water. Don't let the pain build up. Get lots of sleep if you need it. I found forming a U shape with my pillows in bed was really helpful - one under my head and the other two under each arm. I learned to sleep on my back. A tiny soft cushion under your armpit is also a comfort. Consider a 'not too hot' wheat pack for your chest.

    My stitches were of the 'invisible' dissolving type, not staples so I can't help you there. My drains came out by day 11. After about 2 weeks I  began gently rubbing this special scar oil into the wound, It's called Bio-Oil over here but you must have an equivalent. I have heard that rubbing moisturiser is recommended, also by my physio. It must help to stimulate circulation and to move the skin around a bit. ALSO, and I think this is really important .... get sunlight on the wound. Every morning before the sun gets too hot, I let it shine on my chest for about 15 minutes. It is soothing and known to promote healing. I am still reabsorbing lumpy areas but every day it does look and feel better and I know it will for you too. It looks horrible but eventually it will just be a flat scar.

    I don't know if that has been much help really, but do talk to your doctor and physio about these issues. Sometimes it's so hard to get a solid answer out of them though, isn't it?

     Send me a message if I haven't been specific enough. Normal movement will return soon and you should gradually increase your stretches to the point of mild pain, but not quite yet OK?

    Mucho hugs and best of luck

    Geraldine 

  • Lursa5
    Lursa5 Member Posts: 112
    edited April 2009

    Hi BAywatcher. I'm a newbie. Just joined today. I'm 47, have a 12 year old daughter at home. DH is very supportive. I was diagnosed Mar. 13th. Had a lumpectomy April 7th. My post-op biop came back showing another malignant tumor. When my surgeon called to tell me, I said "let's skip the pre-op appointment and just schedule for a mastectomy.

     Here's the reason I'm so decided. I have a friend who had a fist sized lump for TWO years before she finally got accidentally diagnosed while in the ER from back pain.  After the lump shrank from chemo and radiation, she opted to not have surgery. Her BC has moved into her bones, brain, liver and as much as lying in bed all day long with a steady supply of morphine apeals to me, I think I'll just say good bye to the girl.  I don't know how I'll feel about it 5 years from now, but I DO know I don't want to go through all I have coming and still wind up in hospice.

  • mzmiller99
    mzmiller99 Member Posts: 894
    edited April 2009

    Lursa5 - Welcome, but I'm so sorry about your  lumps and your friend's situation.  I will say that you have come to such a great place, however.  The support here is phenomenal, such caring and compassionate women!

    Bay - I do think Barbe1958 said it well - I'll just echo her thoughts.  It is a grieving process.  We all go through it in our own good time.  I'm sending you warm hugs.

    Susan

  • Sassa
    Sassa Member Posts: 1,588
    edited April 2009

    Baywatcher,

    I have had bilateral mastectomies.

    There were times in the first year that I wish I had never had the mammogram and that I was living in ignorant bliss.  However, sanity would then assert itself and I would realize that my mammogram saved me from a rougher treatment course than I had (4 AC and 1 year herceptin) if I was diagnosed at a later stage and possibly from a miserable dying process if I don't reoccur.

    Like you, I have been going flat and had no interest in reconstruction.  Being flatchested made me realize how big my stomach was and helped fueled my weight loss of 55 lbs.  My flat chest now looks more in proportion to the rest of me.

     Now, a little over two years out from chemo, I am thinking about reconstruction and have an appointment to see a plastic surgeon to discuss the process.

    Give yourself time.  You are still in the mental healing process from a traumatic experience.

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