New to this post. Scared of when the "other" shoe will drop
Hello everyone. I was diagnosed with IBC in March of 2001. I know this sounds strange, but I am more apprehensive and scared and depressed now than I was when I was dx'd. Every year, on the anniversary of my diagnosis, my family and friends congratulate me for being cancer free. I always thank them and fake a bright smile, but inside, I am scared to death, because I know that as each year passes, my survival rate goes down, especially after the 5 yr mark. I try to stay possitive and grateful for each day I am blessed with, but sometimes I am exhausted from "pretending" all is well with my family and friends. When they ask me how I'm doing, I answer with, "oh yes.........I'm doing great." I answer this way because I know that's what they want and need to hear. The few times I have answered honestly, they stop me in mid sentence with things like, "oh Noreen, think possitively" or "don't get swallowed up by self pity or negative feelings" or "you're gonna be fine," or "just keep praying and you'll be fine." And believe me, I KNOW how blessed I am and how fortunate I have been to still be alive and I am so grateful for the many prayers people have said for me. But sometimes I just need someone to let me talk about my fears, etc. I need to know I don't have to be strong all the time or "get everyone thru MY crisis." I hope that doesn't sound selfish or wrong of me. For the past year, I've been dealing with a lot of depression because of the pain I am experiencing in all my joints and pain under my ribs and lower back. I am also depressed because of the insomnia. Also, I used to dance and jog and hike, but because of the severe joint pain, I am unable to do so many of the things I used to take for granted. I find myself pulling away from family and friends because it's just to exhausting to "pretend" like everything is fine. I also feel so tired all the time and most of the time, I am on a totally different "sleep" schedule than the rest of the world. I've stopped fighting my body when it wants to sleep, which is usually during the day and I'm wide awake at night. I have been on disability for a year now and because of the joint and rib & back pain, I most likely won't be able to return. That makes me feel bad about myself because I live alone and I am my only income, so I was hoping to be able to work until age 65, but that's not looking too good. I will be 57 next month. I'm curious to know if anyone else is on disability or have experienced pain, insomnia and depression, especially anyone who is experiencing these things years after they have been dx'd.Thank you for giving me this venue to express my "real" feelings without feeling like I have to sugar coat them. God bless you all on this difficult journey.
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Hi Reen517
I am not as far along in my journey with this battle as you are, I was diagnosed last year in February. But I understand what you mean in some ways. My family have been good through this and I dont want to tell them that I am really scared most of the time, and that every little twinge in my body freaks me out that the cancer has come back or has spread.
Before I was diagnosed I was training to gain entry into our local police force, I was running everyday and going to the gym but now I cant as the cancer has gone to my spine and the jarring of running would fracture my back again.
I guess I am lucky in that Im still working, even though its part time hours. As for the tiredness I thinks thats part of the depression - some days I just dont want to get up, but I do cause I know that my family needs me to look like Im getting on with life.
Its hard always trying to be postive....but Ive been told that if you wallow in self pity then what you dont want to happen will happen because you stop fighting.
Please dont give up.....fight as long as you can....come here and Im sure me and the girls on this site will lift you when you need it.
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I just wanted to say Congrats on being 8 years Cancer Free!
I'm sorry you are struggling.I hope some woman can come along to adress your individual issues. We are here for you!
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You sound like a people pleaser like me. I am coming to the conclusion though that I don't care if I make other people uncomfortable, If I am having a crappy day, I am learning to say, "I am having a crappy day and this is why" if they console me with "oh don't think that way, or everything will be alright" I mark them off of my "true friend list". My true friends will just listen and give me a hug, they don't feel the need to try to cheer me up or spout cheerful adages. However have you talked to your Doc about some depression meds? Just a thought.... Hang in there and don't be afraid to tell the truth! Tami
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Thanks very much for your support and encouragement. I didn't mean to give the impression that I have given up.............I haven't. I've been fighting it every day....every minute. It's just that sometimes, I guess I just need to have someone I can share my fears with. Sometimes it helps to have a shoulder to cry on...........it helps to feel validated. I think our tears are very cleansing and a very important part of healing, just as laughter and love and prayer and a possitive attitude, are an integral part of healing. I agree with you that it's important not to wallow in self pity. I'm truly not doing that. I guess my point is that maybe a part of the reason I am feeling depressed and scared is because I feel like I am carrying this burden alone and burying my true feelings deep inside, so as not to bring anyone else down. Maybe if I just had someone I could talke to, the burden wouldn't feel so heavy and as a result..........I'd have more peace and more reasons to smile. I'm very grateful to have this venue to do that and I hope that I can be there for others, as well. God bless and lots of hugs!
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Idaho..............you made me smile when you said I sound like a "fellow" people pleaser. I'm wondering if that is a "middle child" syndrome!!! But you're right...........the truth will set me free, so from now on, when I'm having a crappy day and someone asks me how I'm doing, I'm just gonna take your advice and tell it like it is!
And I'm guessing from your response, the sky won't fall in if I don't break into song the next time someone asks how I'm doin! Thanks.....I needed that
And yes, I finally broke down and asked my doctor for something to help me with the depression. I should have done that a long time ago, but for some stupid reason, I guess I looked at that as a sign of weakness. Thanks again, everyone.........for your understanding!
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Hi Reen517
Im sorry if I impled that you were giving up, thats not really what I meant I guess what I was trying to say was when you are having one of your low days that you can come to me or the others and I will be there to listen and to perk you up again.
Im glad that you are getting things sorted for the depression.....
Well its a beautiful Autumm day here the sun is out and the birds are cheerping
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Thanks, Beastybabe. I knew what you meant and I'm very grateful to have this wonderful venue to share my feelings with.
Hugs, Reen
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He Reen
I'm glad that this site exists....there is so much information here...and so many supportive people. If you ever want to pm your most welcome.
Sending you a nice big teddy bear hug....
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You are NOT ALONE.Your post made me both happy and sad. Happy that I am not totally alone in how I feel and what I am going through and sad for the same reasons.I lurk on the boards but don't contribute much. My mental sharpness is gone and I am too tired to compose much.I was dx 9/04 with what they said was IDC. I thought from the start that I had IBC because my breast was swollen, inflammed, painful. Got the run around for months before finally being diagnoised and getting treated. Had over 30 pos nodes. My HER2 pos status was missed for an entire year after treatment ended, even though it had been check 2x with the same pos results each timeI I happened to discover it myself when I got copies of my records. Tried not to be bitter...but in truth I am very angry about the way I was treated and how every practioner I've seen has made excuses for the others. I am still convinced it was IBC due to presentation...but onc says it doesn't matter; that treatment would have been the same. Plus, I have "done so well!" considering my original prognosis! I also have had major back problems with several major surgeries that had un-expected complications in past few years... Also went to Dr about that issue for years and it wasn't caught until the pain was so bad I thought I had mets. THEN they did an MRI. Turned out to be a calcified disc compressing my spinal cord! Now, it has been almost 5 years since Breast Cancer dx. I am still here, but not the same. On the out side I smile, if I do (rarely) express my sadness or resentment, I hear about what a trooper I have been and what an example I am for others! Yet, almost every word of what you wrote could be written by me. Just change the name... right down to the age and sleep problems! I was always a way POSITIVE person. Very sharp and on the ball. Always cup half full, lemon-aid from lemons type. My family is very supportive and helpful, how-ever I am soooo...very tired and in so much constant discomfort that I just prefer to be home alone, where I feel safe and semi-content with no pressure to "do" things and "be positive". I have tried several anti-depressants ( seemed to make things worse), I take vitamins, calcium, tummeric, acai...you name it. Even going over to my kids' for dinner or to the store is exhausting and I sometimes wonder how bad it is possibly going to be when the other shoe does actually drop if I am having this rough of a time while I am still NED! I was a single mom of 6, worked as a nurse...HOSPICE at that! and always on the go.I have always loved life but of late I too have become very scared and apprehensive about the future. I have even considered moving back to my home state of WA which has recently become a right to die state.I just don't think I could live with much more pain than I already have. I, like you, am so grateful for so much and feel so blessed in many ways but am also torn with guilt because I have so much anger an resentment over how hard I worked and all that I've lost and how constantly uncomfortable I am.I have had some aborable medical care and have lost faith and trust in Drs and nurses in general, even though that was my profession! I know that family and friends just would not be able to understand even if I tried to tell them, so I keep quiet and try to smile. I feel damaged and broken and tired of having to be strong .I have not been able to return to work since 2004, also on SSDI with hope of becoming normal again and wanting to return to work, but in reality know that that hope is unrealistic.
I used up ALL of my savings and retirement money on medical care before qualifying for Social Security . I am thank-ful for your post and a chance to also express myself with-out the Sugar Coating! I know that so many people are suffering for so many reasons and feel that I should not complain as i have it better tha MANY but I appreciate this chance to vent...even if it just goes into the ethernet! As a rule, I don't drink and haven't had any alcohol in a REALLY long time...but think I need a glass of wine and a really good cry. Care to join me?
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Vibe from the Philipines...........I think it's deplorable that you are using this site to sell your products. Trust me.............if it was as easy as you make it sound.............to cure cancer by taking your bogus fruit extract, we'd ALL be taking it. How can you be so dishonorable and fraudulant to people who are going through the most painful, scary time of their lives???? I just pray that NOBODY falls for your ridiculous claims. You really should be ashamed!!!!!!!!!
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Billiegirl: I cried when I read your post. I know so well what you are going through. As I said before, I have always been a very possitive person and not one to bring everyone down, even when I was diagnosed with IBC. That being said, because people are so used to me always smiling and cracking jokes, they don't allow me those moments when I'm feeling scared or depressed or in need of a good cry. When people ask me how I'm doing (even my family) I answer the same every time............"I'm fine....how are you?" And ohhhhhhh how I identified with you when you said most times you don't feel like going out because everybody wants you to be a "social butterfly" and you're tired of making sure everyone else is happy. I SOOOOO get that! I am so much more comfortable in my own little place, where I don't have to pretend that I'm fine and my "plants" don't expect me to get them thru MY crisis.!!!! I have 5 sisters and 3 brothers and I swear.........they take turns being the one who will call me and tell me I HAVE to get out and do things and have fun and forget all my troubles and yada yada yada. I know they mean well, but until they have walked in my shoes, they couldn't possibly know what I'm going through and that I know what's best for me..........even if that means just reading or watching tv or doing a little writing when I feel up to it. Before I was dx'd, I went dancing and jogging and hiking and had a lot of fun, but my life is different now and I am trying my best to "re-define" myself and try to find as much peace and contentment as I can.
Sometimes I wonder how people can expect me to be happy all the time and never talk about the very possible death sentence I have been given. The more I research about IBC, the more freaked out I become. In my heart, I know that I will be here as long as God wants me to be here, but in my head, I can't help but panic when I see the low survival rate that they give re: IBC. I love my family and I know they mean well, but I wish so much that they would honor my need and desire to spend time alone and not take it as a personal attack on them or that I'm suicidal. I'm waiting for the day that I walk into my apartment and there will be all of my siblings and neighbors and childhood teachers, who have gathered together to do an intervention for me because I'm taking some time for myself!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, I swear I will jump off my balcony if they ever do that.
Ok, I have to tell you guys what my one sister did on Easter Sunday at Church in front of 300 plus people. The priest said to take a few moments to reflect and offer up your special intentions for anyone you wish. Ok,.........here's the part that blew me away. As everybody bowed their heads to silently pray, my sister blurted out for the entire Church to hear, "Please pray for my sister, Noreen, who has been diagnosed with a very rare, very aggressive, fatal type of breast cancer called Inflammatory Breast Cancer." As if that was not enough, she pointed to me so everyone would know who she was talking about. I wanted to sink into the tile, but ended up whispering in my Mother's ear........"Kill Me NOW!!!!!" Ok, I know maybe I shouldn't have been so embarressed, but my family all knows that I HATE being the center of attention, so I really could've easily strangled her, but I didn't think that would be appropriate at Easter mass.
Anyway, I'm very happy to have this venue to VENT in, too. I know it's important to stay possitive, but it's also important to share your feelings and your fears and your tears with others who totally understand what you're going thru.
I thank you all for that from the bottom of my heart and Billiegirl..........I'd love to join you for a drink!!
And Beastybabe, thanks for the teddy bear hugs!!! I needed that:-))))
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Billiegirl, I read your post again and it sure does sound to me that you have IBC. You listed symptoms that scream IBC. I was blown away when you said that your doctor told you that "it didn't matter because the treatment would have been the same." That is absolutely untrue, but typical for "most" of the breast cancer doctors out there. Because IBC is so aggressive and spreads so quickly, the treatments are much more aggressive. Did your doctor do a needle biopsy? Has he/she ever even heard of IBC? Can you get a second opinion? There is another site that deals with only IBC. Just google IBC Research. Everyone on there is very knowledgeable and compassionate and they can address your concerns. I'm guessing they will tell you to get a 2nd opinion as soon as possible. Please keep me posted. I hope you will check that site out. They answer ALL questions and address ALL concerns. They have Doctors that help answer our questions and these doctors HAVE heard of IBC. I swear, that site was (and still is) a life saver for me.............and I mean that literally. I was going crazy because I couldn't get a straight answer from some of the docs I was going to. Whenever I asked him to explain what this all meant, he'd look at me like, "don't worry your little head about it." I absolutely HATE that when they do that. I am a person who wants and needs to know all the facts about MY body. Maybe some people don't want to hear it, but the more informed i am, the better I feel and the more in control I feel. I don't think they understand how important it is to us to have "control" of anything, especially when we can't control the cancer or if and when it may rear its ugly head again. Here's an example of how my Onc talked to me. I asked him one day how he thought I was doing and he very flippantly responded, "well, if you're alive in a year, you did really good!" I practically fell off the exam table. My sister was with me and her eyes were as big as saucers when he said that to me. Needless to stay, I changed oncs right away, because that wasn't the only thing he did or said to me that made me feel invisible and unimportant. Anyway, I hope you will get a 2nd opinion and that you will check out that site.
Lots of hugs to all, Reen
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Reen, You are so sweet...Thanks for your suggestions and concern. I actually went to 4 Drs and had weekly appointments for several months before I was even able to get a dx. Family Dr ordered a mammo but it only showed dense breasts and thickening. Was told I had mastitis. Saw 2 different surgeons . Had 2 rounds of different kinds of antibiotics. Didn't help. The 2nd surgeon did a punch biopsy just to placate me. Results showed inflammation but he said it was dermatitis and I should change my laundry detergent and only wear cotton!. 3rd surgeon ordered MRI which did show 2 small lesions. They had a difficult time locating the spot to bx using ultrasound . Eventually they found 1 of the spots and did get a needle biopsy. Path came back IDC with Bloomington score of 9/9. Had mast because they had seen 2 spots on MRI...turned out 2nd lump was a lymph-node that had been over taken by cancer. The only lump they found when path was done was just 1.6cm. However 30+ nodes were positives and all has extra-capsular invasion and matting. Had 4 AC/4 taxol , rads and a year of herceptin started 1 year after other treatments ended (because they had overlooked my fish test results from my 1st bx and then again from my mast pathology). Participated in a study at U of W in Seattle and received an experimental vaccine. I moved from Seattle to Boise 3 years ago so I did change oncologist. I love my current one. She even had my original path slides reread. She says she would have dx me with IBC due to symptoms, but that the only difference in treatment would have been chemo BEFORE surg and concurrant herceptin. So,as they told you...from a cancer perspective I have done "really good". My main frustrations at the beginning of this journey came from being treated like an idiot and being told by 3 different drs " breast cancer doesn't make you feel sick or cause pain" because I complained to them that my breast was so painful and I felt like I had the flu . ( I felt that way for weeks and weeks and weeks while trying to get help!) I have visited the IBC Research site a number of times starting with my 1st day of symptoms. I made the mistake of saying I thought I had IBC when I made my very 1st appointment. The doctors seemed to resent that. Ironically, 1 of the surgeons told me that the "internet" makes people paranoid and you can't trust info you get on it". Excuse me! If it had not been for the info I got from the internet I would have listened to that jerk and probably would have died before I could get any treatment!! I am still so angry about the whole thing. I always disliked some peoples attitude of acting like "the victim" and must admit I wondered why they don‘t "get a life"...but here I am and I sound and feel like one of those people. I think the situation left me with PTSD! Anyway, after all this time, I am still resentful. Not that I got breast cancer but that I was treated like a "nut case" Thanks for the HUGS...right back at ya!
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Reen I just came across this thread, First off GREAT BIG CYBER HUGS to you Reen, You really have been throught the ringer, girlfriend.........Glad you got help with the depression..Congrats on 8 yrs NED....Second is a question......Why do you think your chances for recurrence are going up after 5 yrs?.....From what my oncologist has told me our chances for recurrence goes down after 5 yrs.......
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I'm convinced that you can distinguish between a stage one cancer survivor and a stage three by stating that you are tired of waiting for the other shoe to fall. All stage threes seem to get it. It's not being a negative alarmist to think that headache you wake up every morning with is cancer if it may well be. It's being a realist. I just celebrated my 5 year survival date and my sister called to tell me how wonderful that was and how happy she was that they can finally stop worrying about me. I gently pointed out that they can't cure breast cancer and that I was now more likely to have a reccurance she got angry and accused me of being negative. As uncomfortable as those situations were, it really is the constant vigil and the constant knowing that wears me down. I would like to just have a head ache or a back ache and ont have to decide if this is something that I should have checked out. So yeah, I'm with you there. I too am tired of waiting for the other shoe to drop.
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HollyAnn: Thanks for your post. The reason I am afraid of recurrence after 5 yrs is because my breast surgeon, who is familiar with IBC, said that the chance for recurrence of IBC is extremely high, even after 5 yrs. He said that even though it's great to get to 5 yrs, statistics show that very few women with IBC survive that long and the ones who do, have a very high chance of a recurrance. I try not to harp on that and overall, I'm a very possitive person and believe that I will be here for as long as God wants me to be here. Still.................I have my moments when it all gets a little overwhelming............ok a LOT overwhelming, and I have to take a break from all the people in my life who need and want me to be completely healed and have made it clear that they just can't handle any other outcome. It just gets so exhausting to have to pretend that everything is ok and when they ask how I am....................I say, "fine" because thats all they can handle. Although I understand their fear and need for denial, it would be nice if I had someone who would let me say that I am afraid sometimes. I guess that's what this venue is for and I'm very grateful for all of you...................not only for sharing your stories, but for also being truthful about how you feel and how scared you are and for allowing me to do the same.
EmiliasDance: Thanks very much for your post,too. I shook my head in agrement when I read what you said about how you can tell a Stage I from a Stage 3 because we are waiting for the other show to drop.And ohhhhhhhhh how I relate to you when you say that before you were dx'd with BC, a headache was just a headache..............achey joints was just a little arthritis..............and a sharp pain in your chest was probably indigestion. But now it's a whole new ballgame and any of those symptoms could mean IT came back and that's so frightening.
And oh my goodness....................my family did the same thing. They call me on every anniversary and congratulate me that I've been healed and they can all go on with their lives again. And even though they don't say it.................and don't mean to come across this way, it's almost like they were blaming me for everything THEY went through because I had the nerve to be dx'd with such an aggressive, deadly monster of a disease. It's funny, but the more I think about it, the more I realize that they deal with everything difficult in the same way. Like when my Mom died a couple years ago, they immediately went into the mode of "don't be sad......don't cry...........don't feel down.............don't do anything but smile and say she had a great life and this is a time for celebration. Well, I needed to mourn my Mom and cry and think about how much I was going to miss her and take some time to sort out the million emotions I had. This aggravated most of my siblings. And I'm not talking 2 years later...............they were telling me this on the way into the church for her funeral. I mean//////////give me a break.
Oh and when you said how your doctor told you not to get info from the internet, I got the exact same thing from my Dr. When I came in with some questions for him re: IBC, he said, "how do you know so much about IBC?" I told him that since nobody would give me any info, I researched it on my own. He just said, "Don't do that..........you'll only be depressed." I don't know about you, but I WANT to know what is going on with MY body.
Billiegirl: I am just absolutely floored by some of the things you have gone through and all the wrong info you were given. I am especially floored that they did not diagnose you with IBC. By the way, I didn't have a lump either. I had what they call "sheets" of cancer. Two weeks before I was dx'd I had a mammogram and was told everything is fine. Then BAM, I go to the doctor and my entire world was turned upside down. It wasn't until they did the punch biopsies (and let me tell you THAT HURT LIKE HELL!!!!!) that they saw that cancer was raging through my left breast and in all of the lymphnodes in my left arm and left side. I'll tell you one thing I am still sooooo angry about and that is that when they did those 5 punch biopsies, they didn't give me ANYTHING for pain. He just said, "Don't worry, it will be done before you know it!" I really really wanted to say to him, "how bout we do 5 punch biopsies on your penis?" But I didn't. When I got in my sister's car in the parking lot, I balled my eyes out..........not only because I was just dx'd with a form of BC that I had no idea of, but mostly because it truly hurt me to the core of my soul, that he put me through cruel, unnecessary, grueling pain, when he could've given me something for the pain. To this day, that bothers me sooooooooo much. Our breasts are already very sensative, so imagine them doing 5 biopsies on the nipple and the surrounding area.
That was excruciating.
And what they told you about BC not causing pain or making you feel sick...........that is also very untrue. My breast hurt like hell. It was swollen, hot to the touch, very hard, inverted nipple and was extremely painful. Yes, maybe some people don't have pain, but I don't know anyone with IBC that didn't experience pain before they were dx'd.
And lastly, BillieGirl: You are NOT sounding like a victim or a complainer or negative. You are just being honest about what you're feeling and there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with doing that. We can't talk to our family and friends about it, so this venue is really the only place some of us can share absolutely every feeling we have without feeling guilty because God forbid...... we don't want to cause others any discomfort or worry. So,. BillieGirl and everyone else on here, GO FOR IT..................It's therapuetic and very healing not to stuff your feelings down inside where no-one can see or hear.
Sorry for such a long post, but I wanted to respond to all of your posts. Thank you again for your encouragement and permission to "LOSE IT" once in a while. You guys are my safe place to fall, and I am so grateful to all of you.
God bless you all and here come some BIG hugs for all of you!
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Wow! I could have written so many of the above posts myself. It's so good to know that you're not alone in your feelings. I was told that I couldn't have IBC because I only had one of the symptoms; that my breast wasn't red enough, hot enough, no peau d'orange or dimpling, no inverted nipple, etc.....just a slight redness or blotchiness on one breast. I was told to stay away from the internet; that it would only confuse things. My response: No way! I'd probably be dead by now if I'd listened to doctors rather than pushed for whatever it took to get a biopsy to rule out IBC, which is NOT what happened. It confirmed that I had IBC. I felt like telling those doctors to stop insulting my intelligence; that I have a brain and know how to use it (well, at least I did before chemo).
Boy, can I relate to the family and friends always asking if I'm "cured" now. After trying to explain what having IBC means over and over, you can get tired of telling people that there's a good chance that IT might recur. You get tired of hearing people tell you not to be negative. I call it being realistic. Knowing there's a chance IT might recur doesn't mean that it will...just that it might. I refuse to live in denial just to make someone else happy. Usually I just tell them that I'm doing fine...that's what they'd prefer to hear anyway.
I know that keeping positive is a good thing, and so is laughter. I give out a "laugh of the day" award to whoever sends me the funniest email. I have told all my online friends that I'm still me, and I want to continue getting all those emails. Being constantly astonished at the number of people in the medical profession that I encountered who knew nothing about IBC, I have made it my mission to educate the medical profession as well as the general public about IBC every chance I have. Thank goodness it doesn't embarass my hubby when I do this. I take the brochures about IBC with me everywhere I go and hand them out to anyone who will listen to what I have to say.
Claudia in FL
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