So confused! Please help me understand some of this nightmare.
Hello all. I was diagnosed on thursday 04.09.09 with invasive ductal carcinoma. I have pretty much stopped crying and am trying to remember all that the Dr. told me.
Diagnosis
- Infiltrating moderately differentiated duct cell carcinoma, grade 2.
- The Scarff-Bloom_Richardson score is 6: Nuclear grade 2-2; absent tuble formation- 3; no mitoses identified -1.
- Co-existent extensive in-situ duct cell carcinoma, solid variant, nuclear grade 2.
- ER- positive for both in-situ and infiltrating carcinoma, moderate.
- PR- positive for both in-situ and infiltrating carcinoma, strong.
I dont know what any of this means please help.
I see the oncologist on 04.20.09 and am scheduled for surgery 05.06.09. At this time not sure if it will be a lumpectomy or masectomy. Dr. says we will no more after the onc. visit. Onc. will check my lymphnodes. I do remember asking the Dr. if I will need chemo and he said yes because of my age; I am 38. I dont remember him saying anything about radiation.
Wouldnt I get radiation not chemo? Or will I get both? Or neither?
I have to say my hubby has been kidnapped and replaced with an angle so that is good.
I feel like a little kid lost in a mall looking for my mom.
I didnt want to tell my family what was going on but I slipped to my mom and before you know it all of my sisters and dad know. Everyone keeps telling me the same thing "you have to get rid of this, you have to have the surgery sooner than later". Easy for them to say they are not having it done. I know what I have to do, but it sucks! I am terrified to go to sleep on the table and wake up with no boob. I know that may sound vain, but this is a part of my body and a part that before now I liked very much.
Comments
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Dear Deborah,
Welcome to the group none of us wanted to join! You will find a lot of love and support here so please feel free to vent!
We have all been where you are right now and beleive me this is the worst part of the whole process. Your lost little kid analogy is absolutely perfect! I know this is hard, but try to take a deep breath. I know you want to protect your family from this but you are going to need all the support you can get so you are going to need to let them in and let them support you. My husband was also an instant angel and he was able to run interfearance when my family and friends starting closing in with the "you have to's"
First, can you call your primary care doc and tell hirm or her what has happened and ask for some xanax or lorazepam to help you get through? I know I wouldn't have been able to get through all the waiting for test results without a little help. Some of the ladies here also have gotten ambien to help them sleep at night too.
Try not to be hard on yourself, you are not being vain when you are upset about losing part of your body. This is really horrible, there is no question about it. You need to alow yourself to be angry and cry. People will also pressure you to be "positive" all the time like its bad luck if you aren't. Well, its ok to be sad and angry and scared because this whole thing sucks!
You may want to bring a third person with you to the oncologist to take notes. That is what my husband and I did. That way, he could take care of me and our friend could pay attention and ask the questions we were too numb to ask and remember what happened at the appointment.
There are tons of ladies here who are much better at explaining things than I am but I just want to say that we are all here for you honey!
Love
Robyn -
Deborah: So sorry you have to join us on this web sight but you will find the answers to a lot of questions here. It is quite overwhelming when you first get your dx and try to listen and retain all that the dr. tells you. I have found that the best thing to do is bring someone with you to take notes or to just help you remember what is said because you will only hear half of what is said. My husband went to every appointment with me and answered all the questions I came up with after the fact because he was actually able to listen and take in what the dr. said. Another idea I have read about is some women take a tape recorder with them and record the session with the dr. so they can then listen later when they are better able to focus.
I do not know what your treatment will be, but my dx was similar to yours IDC, Stage lla, Grade 3 with ER and PR positive. I had lumpectomy, doing chemo now and will also have radiation after done with chemo. The dr. also recommends hormone therapy for 5 years after chemo. Everyones treatment though similar is unique to them. The dr. will take all kinds of things into consideration when deciding what treatment you should have. '
Don't know if you have heard about the Oncotype test, but it is a test that they can give you which helped me to decide to do chemo as my score of 47 which indicated I have a high chance of reoccurence. Make sure you learn about this test and see if it will help you in your decision process.
Since I only had lumpectomy, which I don't mean to minimize to anyone who has had one, I can not really tell you how it feels to go to sleep and wake up with no boob, but I can assure you that "vain" is not a word I would associate with it. I can only imagine how awful that must be.
Good luck. Be very proactive in your treatment plan. I have found that we need to be educated and informed about all options before we run blindly into treatment.
Patti
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Deborah, I'm so sorry you had to join this club. When your family says "get surgery, the sooner the better" I think they are speaking out of a basic impulse, and a logical intuition -- but that is NOT the state of the art of medicine today! Especially with a moderately differentiated (grade 2) tumor that is positive for estrogen and progesterone receptors, this is most likely a slower-growing, less-aggressive type of tumor, and you can take a little time to learn your options and decide on them. In my case, that meant a wait of 6 weeks was not a problem. It's much better NOT to be rushed into a surgery before you learn about your options. I think your oncologist will be able to confirm this -- or the doctor you saw on April 9 can confirm this in a phone call -- if you feel it will be helpful to have a literal quote from a doctor to convince your family that you don't need surgery right-this-second. I had a grade 2, stage I, highly ER/PR positive tumor -- and the experience of the surgeries and loss of my breast was the BIGGEST hurdle for me. For me, anyone minimizing the breast loss, and anyone "maximizing" the fear of cancer ("get it out right away") would have been the worst of both worlds, in terms of not "getting" what I was feeling! I wanted to believe, based on the stage/grade and what my doctors were telling me, that I have a good survival prognosis -- and I didn't appreciate people who minimized what it meant for me to have a mastectomy (necessary because of tumor location).
[But, I will say, two years later, life is good!]
Hugs and best wishes,
Ann
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Deborah ~ I'm so sorry that you find yourself joining the sorority that none of us ever wanted to join. But you've come to a unique and wonderful place for information and support.
What your pathology basically says is that there are two components to your bc -- one is invasive (the ductal cell carcinoma, which is the most common form, and can spread if not treated), and the other is a type of bc that is non-invasive (the in situ component, which remains confined to the ducts and does not metasticize). It is very common to find both types co-existing in the same breast. The grade is important. It can be 1, 2 or 3, and indicates the aggressiveness of your bc. 2 is midrange, which is good -- not as aggressive (quick to spread) as 3. I'm not sure about the mitosis and tuble formation, but no doubt someone will be along who can explain those to you.
The time immediately following your diagnosis is by far the hardest. Everything seems so surreal -- you go through the motions, but can't quite grasp that it's happening to you. We all know what it feels like, and it absolutely gets better once you have a better understanding of your diagnosis, the recommended treatment, and your options. As far as "waking up with no boob" -- that's not at all what happens, unless you choose not to have reconstruction. If you absolutely need or choose to have a mastectomy, you will find that breast reconstruction has come a long way in recent years. I had a mastectomy with Diep flap reconstruction, and I have a very natural looking breast. And that's just one of several great options available now. So, although not something we would ever want to do if we had the choice, it's not nearly as bad as the first images that come to mind.
Let us know how else we can help you ~ Deanna
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Deborah, I know you don't want to be here, but since you are it's a Wonderful place for support, guidance and friendships. I'm really sorry to hear of your bc dx. My dx is very similar to your's. I was dx 12/07 with IDC--see notes at the bottom. I chose to have a lumpectomy, chemo and radiation. My oncotype score was 17, which is considered at the top of the low range. So this meant having chemo would probably reduce my chances of a reoccurance by only 2-4%. Though this wasn't much of a gain in % I chose to be very aggressive with my treatments and give it all that I had!!!! And also since I was 42 (young age) at dx my oncologist thought I should have the chemo, I actually had 2 oncogolists tell me the same thing. But at the end of the day it was my decision. Chemo is not easy but doable! If you choose to go this route you WILL survive it, I promise!
Good luck with all your decisions. Thinking of you.
Tiff
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Thank you all so much! Yes, surreal it is. It is so good to meet such a wonderful group of women. Just unfortunate about the way we all meet. Thanks for helping me understand the dx. it is all so much.
Today I get to go see all the family, I am not looking forward to it as I know the way they are all going to be around me. Already I am getting the "how ARE YOU doing?" And how much ppl act like idiots with this. The day of my dx. we had to go pick up my son at my MIL and she was insistent on giving me vacuum belts for a vacuum that I don't have. I guess ppl don't really know what to do. I feel like everyone is looking at me like I am going to die tomorrow. Then when I tell them the Dr. says this is treatable and they caught it early, they look at me like they dont believe me.
Happy Easter to everyone.
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Hi, Deborah. Hugs to you.
Everyone here is right. For most of us, the worst part was waiting for the next step in our diagnosis or treatment, or waiting to find out more information. I lived at this discussion board from mid-January through mid-June of last year. (Well, I still sort of live here.)
You've received replies explaining most of your path report. The little bit that has not been explained is this: "The Scarff-Bloom_Richardson score is 6: Nuclear grade 2-2; absent tuble formation- 3; no mitoses identified -1."
The "Scarff-Bloom Richardson score" is an indication of the "behavior" of the tumor cells, based on what they look like under the microscope. It is used to determine the overall histologic grade of the tumor.
Cells that look like normal breast epithelial cells and are not dividing rapidly, and that form the tubules one would normally see in breast tissue, are considered "well-differentiated." They are less likely to grow quickly or spread to adjacent tissue. Cells that have bizarre shapes and are dividing rapidly, and that do not form any of the typical "tubules" of breast tissue, are considered "poorly differentiated" (or undifferentiated). Those are more likely to grow quickly and to spread.
Your tumor had a score of 6. That's the sum of the individual scores for the appearance of the nuclei of the cells (the "nuclear grade") (2 of a possible 3), the amount tubule formation (3 of a possible 3, because there were no tubules), and the number of dividing cells (cells undergoing mitosis) (1 of a possible 3, because there were no dividing cells). Your total score of 6 corresponds to a histologic grade of 2 (on a 1-2-3 scale). As Deanna said, that's the middle grade, indicating "intermediate" differentiation of the tissue. A grade of 1 would be better; a grade of 3 would be worse.
Here's a website with a nice explanation of the histologic grading of breast cancer, based on the Scarff-Bloom-Richardson scheme: http://www.imaginis.com/breasthealth/histologic_grades.asp
Be sure to ask your oncologist to explain all the details in your path report. That's part of his/her job. Actually, your breast surgeon should be able to explain the report, too.
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