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  • Lainey64
    Lainey64 Member Posts: 740
    edited March 2009

    Hi gals.  I am nervous because I feel like I have a lot going on.  Today I am going for my 6 mth mammogram.  It's this afternoon.  I know it's a standard routine.  My BS told me they'll be checking me every 6 mths but I'm still a bit anxious.  Just going back to that place brings back so many emotions and memories. It was just 6 months ago when I was DX'd so it's still fresh.  I keep telling myself that I just finished chemo 2 wks ago and I'M CURED!  Then starting radiation on Monday has my stomach in knots.  I know I'm going to be ok with it, but darn it these old feelings are surfacing again.  Help! :)

  • susan13
    susan13 Member Posts: 732
    edited March 2009

    Bettelou-Oh my gosh a wedding in the middle of everything you are going thru... you go girl! Congrats! I think that's great!

    Donna-I have those meltdown days. This whole things is a rollercoaster ride. One day I feel horrible and an emotional wreck, then the next I want to party! aha.  I also get silly commetns like "why are you so tired" or "what do you think is making you feel so bad?" ... ugg!

    Lainey-It's so normal to feel that way you do before any test now.  I'm sure your mammo is going to be 110% perfect, but stressful I am sure too.  Just go in there with gusto!

    I have my simulation on Monday, how long did everyone's take?  Do you have to lay still on a hard table for very long?

  • Lainey64
    Lainey64 Member Posts: 740
    edited March 2009

    Donna, I'm sorry I missed responding to your post.  Absolutely!  I have meltdowns all the time!  Sometimes I think "Hey, I'm doing really good" and then Wham! it hits me.  Ugh... I hate those days.  Just remember that you have every right to those days and make sure you cherish the good ones!  Here's to more good days than bad to come!

    Susan - thank you!

  • malyssajon
    malyssajon Member Posts: 43
    edited March 2009

    Hi everyone,

    I finished dd ac/taxol 01/16, had bilat mx 02/24 and will be starting 25 trts of rads mid April. I go for my ct and simulation on Thursday. It's going to be a little bit surreal for me as I use to work as a clerk in the radiation therapy dept where I'm going. I'm told I'll get VIP treatment but I'd rather be on the other side of the desk!!

    Bettelou congrats on the honeymoon!!!

    Donna, I definitely have meltdowns, I find they happen more at night when I'm alone!

    Lainey, I think we're entitled to be nervous before all our tests now, I'll be praying that you have no problems.

    Here's hoping that everyone's rads are a walk in the park!

    Hugs,

    Linda

  • susan13
    susan13 Member Posts: 732
    edited March 2009

    Everyone is mentioning going for a ct before radiation starts... I haven't had my rad onc. mention this.... a ct of what??

  • malyssajon
    malyssajon Member Posts: 43
    edited March 2009

    Susan,

    Actually it's called a CT Simulator: CT Simulation is the most accurate process available to localize, define, and reconstruct, in 3-dimension, a patient's tumor. This process identifies the tumor along with the normal tissue surrounding it, allowing the Radiation Oncologist to design a treatment plan unique to each patient's anatomy. It enables the Radiation Therapist to map the resulting treatment coordinates with a high degree of accuracy.

    As far as I know it's different from an actual CAT scan machine. Hope that helps. I wasn't sure myself as I only booked the radiation treatments not the simulations.

    Linda

  • susan13
    susan13 Member Posts: 732
    edited March 2009

    Ah....... that makes more sense, Thanks Linda!

  • Lainey64
    Lainey64 Member Posts: 740
    edited March 2009

    Hi Linda.  Welcome to our group!

    When I had my CT done they explained it to me the same way.  Said it's not really a CT scan but it takes a 3D picture of my chest.  Like most everything, it kind of went over my head but I figure they know what they're doing!

    My mammogram came back fine!  Whew!

  • susan13
    susan13 Member Posts: 732
    edited March 2009

    Lainey !  Wohoooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!! Happy dance for you!

  • eadsla
    eadsla Member Posts: 217
    edited March 2009

    Hello to everyone.  I completed 4tx of TC on March 6 and am scheduled to meet with my Rad Onc on April 1 with a CT scan to follow the meeting and then simulation on the 7th with first treatment starting April 8.  At least that's what I think is the chronology (my chemo brain is really making things like this difficult).

    Linda--Thanks for explaining about the CT scan.  I had an inital consult with my Rad Onc before I started chemo, which I thought was a bit premature, and when the nurse called to set my April appointment, she was talking about all of this stuff as if I had recently seen the doctor and knew what she was talking about.  Seriously, I had to have her repeat the info while I was writing it down a couple of times and then she realized that maybe I should come in earlier for my appt. on the 1st to talk to the doctor again.(gee...ya think?)  At this point I don't know how many tx's I will be having so I was a little confused when I was being scheduled for the first one.  My PS on my 3 month follow up earlier this week suggested that I ask the Rad Onc if I was a candidate for a 3 week regimen twice a day versus the once a day for...whatever amount of time.  So when I was told that I would be starting on April 8th for once a day tx...well, I was a little put off since I felt like I didn't even have a chance to discuss what was already determined.  But maybe I'm jumping the gun a bit.

    Can I ask everyone here a question?  I understand that getting past chemo is the usually the hardest part of the treatment, especially if you just have the radiation to complete afterwards.  For those of you that had the TC/21 day treatment cycle, this week was, theoretically, one of my "getting back to normal" weeks.  But this week has been the hardest mentally with freakouts about radiation/fear of the future and days where the first half of the day I felt pretty good, but the second half of the day hits me with  crazy fatigue and chemopause.  It's frustrating.  Has anyone else experienced this after their chemo was completed?

    Also, my regular onc hasn't mentioned tamoxifen to me.  Today was the last of my weekly appts. with him and I'm not scheduled to see him again for another four weeks.  What exactly is the protocol for those of you that are/will be on it?

    Whew...okay, I feel like I've cyber blabbed enough.  I'm glad that I found this thread and here's to getting through rads!  Let's DO this thing!

    Catherine

  • Juli50
    Juli50 Member Posts: 859
    edited March 2009

    Susan - my simulation took about 45 minutes.

    Catherine - Some start Tamoxifen after rads, some start at the same time. I was kicked into menopause from chemo, so I will start Arimidex after rads.

  • Lainey64
    Lainey64 Member Posts: 740
    edited March 2009

    Catherine, funny, but I had the same experience with my radiation oncologist.  During my last chemo TX, he came and talked to me a bit about what was going to happen with the rads.  Afterwards I met briefly with his nurse but honestly I cannot remember a thing that the doctor said to me.  I found a piece of paper yesterday where I had jotted down some notes and I swear I cannot remember writing that stuff down!  I didn't know I had chemo brain so bad!  What's more ridiculous is that they filed that brief chat with my insurance co. as a "consultation".  LOL 

  • eadsla
    eadsla Member Posts: 217
    edited March 2009

    Lainey - I hear ya on the insurance thing.  My inital meeting with the rad onc was a consult, but no different from other consults I had with my PCP, PS or Onc...and those only charged the 25 dollar co-pay.  Not so much with the Rad Onc...noooooo...he billed it at over 400 dollars. and I ended up being charged around 130 because I hadn't reached my deductible.  I'm still fuzz on how that works since he was no different in terms of referral status as my other doctors  which I had only the co-pay.  Chemo brain makes it so much harder to stay on top of stuff like that.  You should see me trudging through my taxes...it's tragic/ridiculous and above all...slow.  I wouldn't even classify it as baby steps because it feels more like fetal steps.  LOL

     I was recommended using Udderly Smooth for skin during radiation and a Dove soap for showering.  Anyone else been recommended things that they feel are better?

  • kjbell
    kjbell Member Posts: 974
    edited March 2009

    Eadsla-I "freaked" out when I went for the mapping for the rads. I don't know why, but I had such an anxiety attack I thought I was going to pass out.

    My simulation took about 1/2 hour. I just laid in the position, they lined everything up with my tattoos and took a few x-rays. I start the real thing Monday morning. They recommend 100% Aloe Vera and Dove, Ivory or Caress soap.

    I don't know if I will have to pay a co-pay everytime I go. If so, that will be another $640 out of pocket. Breast cancer sure is expensive.

  • eadsla
    eadsla Member Posts: 217
    edited March 2009

    kjbell - I'm thinking that the rad treatments get billed seperately from those of a doctor's visit, and that insurance will act accordingly...sort of like how the chemo was billed separately from the onc visits.  Aside from that, yeah, bc is expensive.  One of the solaces that I've made part of my mantra whenever I get wound up about this whole experience is that I am so grateful to have insurance, and that my insurance has covered about 95% of eveything.  My out of pocket so far has been around a thousand dollars, maybe less.

    I've also started to follow the rad discussion group for gals that started rads last month.  It's nice to have a sort of "heads-up" from those who are just experiencing what we will soon.

    Another thing for which to be grateful is having a website like this.  I hope everyone has a great weekend.  Here in Los Angeles, the weather has been beautiful lately which certainly helps when you're getting past the chemo.

    Catherine

  • kjbell
    kjbell Member Posts: 974
    edited March 2009

    You are so right. I am so greatful to have the insurance. It makes you wonder how the insurance companies stay in business. My bills alone to the insurance company have been astronomical. Without the insurance I don't know what I would have done.

  • KristenJoy
    KristenJoy Member Posts: 5
    edited March 2009

    Hi -- Starting rads on April 2. Happy to have others in this discussion to help on this journey.

    Had my simulation and tatoos done on March 27. We're planning to do 16 treatments at higher dosage each day -- equivalent to the 25 treatments over 5 weeks amount.

    Kristen

  • BrandonMom
    BrandonMom Member Posts: 412
    edited March 2009

    My rad onc is an NIH researcher and says despite lots of studies, no one moisturizer shows a better result than the other.  She said the moisturizer that works best, is the one people use. In general, she also said choosig one with the least amount of ingredients is also a good idea in general.  Otherwise, just the typical aloe, vitamin e, etc.  IAll that said,  have heard about emu oil (big bird oil), and on drugstore.com they have an FSA approved moisturizer called blue emu.  It caught my eye because it is one of the few FSA approved moisturizers.  Anyway, there are several reviewers that evaluated it, and they all loved it.  I'm not sure if I'm going to try it or not as it is a bit pricey, and I may just be falling into the trap that my rad onc tried to steer me clear of (don't buy expensive moisturizers, they don't work any better), but .... it seems like it gets good reviews.

    My rad onc also said that the reaction is more related to how you treated your skin when you were little. If you baked in the sun when you were younger and damaged your skin layers, then you will likely have a lot of red, itchy skin.  She also said that since my skin is mostly numb after the mast, I may not experience the pain/itching, but still need to use a moisturizer.

    BTW, below is a link to a book that my rad onc gave me. It is NIH's pub of radiation therapy and you. 

    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/radiation-therapy-and-you

  • Britt
    Britt Member Posts: 731
    edited March 2009

    Hi, April Rads Ladies!

    I, too, have been reading and researching a great deal about moisturizers and soaps, etc. - on another thread, someone mentioned 100% aloe vera gel and unscented Dove soap - my question is:  can one use the unscented Dove bodywash as opposed to the soap?  My rad onco's office strongly suggests Jean's Cream, but that is VERY pricey (for me, anyway) at $45.00 for a 7 oz tube. Any other suggestions?

    P.S. I start with  my first "zapping session" tomorrow!

  • idaho
    idaho Member Posts: 1,187
    edited March 2009

    Donna - I hear you!  I go along fine and then crash also.  I think it is (for me anyway), you assimilate one thing and then they throw something else at you- cancer or otherwise.  Face it, we are under the worse stress we have probably ever been under, and when you are very stressed it only takes little things to set you off.  I think we are all doing great and are true warriors!  hang in there-  Oh by the way, I start rads in April also.  I have an hour drive (one way) to get to the radiation place, but I guess I will be strong and do it.  Tami

  • PrincessKauai59
    PrincessKauai59 Member Posts: 288
    edited March 2009

    Hi, I'd like to join.  I finished six months of chemotherapy on 3/16/09 and will be having my first appt with Radiation Oncology soon, so likely starting in mid-April (my Oncologist said I'd get 4 weeks "off" before radiation. I also had and ER+/PR+ tumor and was premenopausal, so will start tamoxifen too, but only after radiation therapy.  My med. oncologist said this was because it's better to have any remaining cancer cells (hopefully none...) uninhibited by the tamoxifen as the radiation is delivered.  Sounds like this rationale might be controversial from the comments of others here. Thanks Lainey64 for setting this up.  

  • susan13
    susan13 Member Posts: 732
    edited March 2009

    Good morning everyone!

    I finally felt somewhat normal yesterday, 2 weeks post last chemo.  This afternoon going for my simulation, I'm so tired I hope I don't snore on the table!

  • Lainey64
    Lainey64 Member Posts: 740
    edited March 2009

    Hi gals.  Well today is the big day for some of us!  I'm having my simulation first and then treatment.  KJbell, thanks for the info on the simulation.  I was wondering what's going to take place.  I already have some Dove unsceented liquid body soap from my chemo days so I guess I'll go back to using that. Yesterday I went to Whole Foods and got some Tom's of Maine unscented deodorant.   I'm kind of excited to get there today and get it started.

    Susan, last Thursday was 2 weeks post my last chemo and I'm just now starting to feel more like myself too.  It will be so nice to have all those chemicals out of my body. 

    My hair (or white fuzzies) on my head is growing more and more each day.  I started using Nioxin shampoo and follicle booster and I'm taking a GLA mega complex with Borage oil.  Borage oil supposedly helps with hair growth.  I can even see the fuzzies now without a 15x magifying mirror so I'm getting encouraged! LOL

    I'm sending prayers and best wishes to everyone starting today!  Welecome to all that have joined our group!

    Love, Elaine

  • susan13
    susan13 Member Posts: 732
    edited March 2009

    Good luck Elaine, let us know how it goes!!

  • hotandcold
    hotandcold Member Posts: 205
    edited March 2009

    Hello everyone,  This is so great to have a place to come and read and feel like somebody else knows what you're going through. I'm so tired of people telling me that worrying about things before they start is worse than when you actually start doing it. I have had horrible and unusual side effects and aftereffects. I'm tired of hearing " Oh that's unusual."  I want to be proactive not reactive.  I'm tired of trying to fix problems from Chemo and Surgery. I want to avoid problems in the first place.      

    kjbell - Thanks for the reply. It was me on the March boards asking them if anyone had their Dr. tell them he wanted to see them turn red. I'm still looking to see if anyone else has had their Dr. tell them he wanted to see them turn red from the radiation?  Maybe I'll start a new thread. 

    BrandonMom - Did your rads Dr. mention anything about wanting  to see you turn red from the radiation?  

    Britt - When and how often did rads office suggest you use Jeans cream? 

    Donna & Idaho  -  I have big meltdowns too.  I try to hide them from my family  I've sat in my car in the garage so they don't see or hear them.

    Good Luck to everyone.  .  

    Corrine.

  • gatormom2006
    gatormom2006 Member Posts: 11
    edited March 2009

    I discussed the whole lotion/cream/oil thing with my rad doc this morning and he said not to use anything until I get more of a sunburn look and then pure aloe is the best thing.  I talked to his nurse and she said there is an aveeno unscented lotion that is good - the more natural the better.  They don't want you using anything with alcohol in it because that will make your burn that much worse.  I'm bummed because I can't use my Bath and Body Works body wash so I guess I'll try to find something unscented - Dove sounds like what a lot of you are using.

    I did my first Relay for Life this weekend - living in Florida we do it before it gets too hot.  I don't know if any of you are involved but I am an advocate!  ACS has done a lot for me and I wanted to give back.  So my team made our goal and the entire Relay made $5K over goal so it was successful even though we got rained out at midnight.

    4 days of radiation and doing good.  I guess further down the road it gets a bit more difficult. 

    God bless all of you who have gone through chemo and now have to go through radiation.  You are all angels!

    Donna

  • kjbell
    kjbell Member Posts: 974
    edited March 2009

    I had my first tx today. It went fine, for some reason I thought I would feel "something", maybe a warm ray of light? It was just like the simulation except they put a small plastic type "blanket" over my chest. The tech said they will put it on me every other day and it is to get the tx closer to the skin. I will have to ask the doc exactly what does that mean. Hope everyone else has a smooth Zapping day!

  • berrypatch
    berrypatch Member Posts: 90
    edited March 2009

    I had my rads sim today.  I sit here all marked up with black Sharpie marker, but I am so glad to be at this point in the game!

    Results from PET scan came back clean!!!   YAY!  No cancer anywhere!  Like it could live through the chemo that has practically killed me....but still you worry!

    Yes Donna, I had a "relief meltdown" during sim today when Dr. told me PET scan was good!  I still have the nasty steroids in my system from chemo, so it doesn't take much to set me off!  I cried hysterically.  They sent me over to a woman who is a social worker who works with cancer pts.  It felt good to talk with her.  We are burned out.  Many of us have been fighting this monster for 6 months or more...we're tired, it IS depressing, it has sucked some of the lifeblood from us.  I am tired of having to be strong and pretend that I am feeling OK, and that I'm not worrying to spare others.  I need a frickin' VACATION!!!!!!   And I plan on taking one as soon as I not feeling the chemo as much.

    Love to all,  Carol

  • Britt
    Britt Member Posts: 731
    edited March 2009

    Hi, HotandCold and fellow April Rads Babes -

    Had my first "zapping" today.  Was told to use the Jean's Cream three times a day - once in the morning after showering, and once at night - and again right after zapping.  It has a wonderful consistency and a little goes a long way!  Also was told by rads onco nurse to use NOTHING with alcohol in it - she strongly suggested Dove's bodywash or Dove bar soap - I checked with my pharmacist on this after my zap appt and he read the ingredients on the Dove bodywash label and agreed it was one of the best washes to use - he also recommended the Dove bar soap.

    As for showering:  warm/tepid showers, not too cold, not too hot.  My nurse and rads onco told me to use my hand to gently wash the radiated area with the bodywash - not to use a washcloth or a sponge - and then gently rinse off under the shower.  Also purchased the Crystal deodorant, which has no aluminum in it (that's another no-no, apparently, in Rads World).

    Otherwise - was told affected area would start to turn red in about two weeks.  OK to wear any other kind of body lotion on unaffected areas of the body - including self-tanner (basking in the sun ANOTHER big no-no - which is hard for me as I live in FL - but I am focusing on the positive aspects of  keeping the face wrinkle-free from sun being verboten)

    ALSO - Jean's Cream is NOT sticky at all.  It absorbs immediately into the skin.

    As for bras - was told that as skin starts to feel more tender, to go without or to wear wireless or a sports bra or a cotton cammie (I am a 34B so rather small so this won't be too big of a deal) - loose cotton t-shirts and tops - cotton/spandex also ok - nothing too snug nor too low-cut.

    How did everyone else's Rads Premiere go today?

     Maria

  • julesd
    julesd Member Posts: 17
    edited March 2009

    I had my first treatment today also. No big deal.  But kind of scary when you walk in and see that big giant machine!   I already feel tired but I know it's all in my head it because I've been reading about radiation fatigue.  Surely it isn't starting already!  I wonder if it could also be just anxiety or depression about the whole cancer thing.  Seems so "real" now....

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