Starting chemo January 2009?
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Well, I managed to keep my counts up and was able to have my treatment today. The treatment I missed last week just goes away, so I am 1/3 finished with Taxol. My hemo is at the same level as last week, so it appears this last transfusion is lasting a bit better than the first. My onc did tell me today that he was a bit worried about me because of these fluctuating levels. He will watch carefully and perhaps change dosage or may have to skip additional treatments. Tomorrow I have to begin giving myself Neupogen shots for 3 days following each tx.
Kim, you are right about the best gift to give your kids. I have two sons. My oldest is 43 and youngest is 38. Keeping positive and strong for them helps me also. I want to be around to see my grandchildren graduate high school and get married. I want to be a great grandma some day. My oldest grandson is 16, youngest 14. They both belong to my youngest son. Oldest does not have any children.
There are so many emotions attached to this journey we are all on. It is difficult to keep them all sorted out. One day I am so afraid I won't get through it and the next I know without a doubt that I will. It's crazy.
Anyway, Jewels, you are all awesome. I am pretty tired and unable to identify each and every one of you, but for those who have completed tx, congratulations. For those of us still having challenges, stay positive and we will get through it. Sorry that some of you have had to have tx delayed because of other health issues. Keep your chin up. WE WILL SURVIVE!!!!!
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BerkelyKim - Do you taper off the steroids. I take two morning and night day before, day of and day after, then two in the morning the next day, then one in the morning the next day and a half pill the last day (though last time I forgot the half pill.) It is suppose to help avoid that sudden let down as you get off steroids. You might talk to your doctor about that if you are not tapering.
I am feeling off this evening. Very tired. I feel asleep before dinner. My stomach is not right. Not bad but I have a bit of indegestion, a bit of queasiness, a bit of gas and my taste buds are shot. I did not drink enough today so I am trying to guzzle liquids before going to sleep. My calf and knee bones are also acking a bit so I took a motin and will take a clartin in the morning, unless it gets worse over night.
Tomorrow I meet with a nutritionist. If you can think of any good questions I should ask try to post early so I might see them. Oh and I got a phone message from the hospital telling me I can only do one of the series of exercise programs at a time due to the popularity - gentle strenthening or Pialaties. I have never been a big gym girl so I am not sure which. I am worried that I might not make it to Pilaties on time since it starts at 9 and I have trouble getting to 10 am appointments on time these days but core strenthing seems like a really good thing to learn. I can get on the wait list for the next session of whatever I don't take, but I will be back a work by then so it may be harder, though I will probably start off at part time.
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Wow Phyllis we have exactly the same thnig minus the bladder infection I somehow missed that one lol. Glad you are home and recovering. I am on day 6 today so hopefully I too will be home soon. This is most definitely been worse than chemo. I have never been so sick in my life. Do you feel guilty about it? I can not help but think I am somehow responsible for it by not being careful enough or trying to do too much or whatever. Doesn't help to feel guilty I know, but the feeling is there.
The doctor said yesterday we will try taking off the oxgen again today and see what happens. Starting to talk about sending me home with oxgen. That would be okay with me I think. Really makes me feel old though. Of course, just being sick makes me feel old. I have had the pleasure of good health all my life so for some reason sick and old are tied together in my head.
Had a little boy from my class come to visit me at the hospital. He was so cute. His mom tried to prepare him and told him I might look funny but that I would look the same as always when I came back to school. So he tells me his mom said I might look funny but he wanted to come to see me anyway so he could tell me he hopes I don't die! Out of the mouth of babes...I thought his mom was going to have a stroke.
The amount of cards, flowers, candy, prayers and visits I have received from friends, relatives, coworkers, students and their families has been overwhelming to me. I never kneweveryone cared so much about me.
Lady just came in to draw blood. gotta go.
Patti
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Hi ladies. I haven't been on much. Holtbolt - when I read about your friend dying I took it hard. I am so sorry for your loss. Then I saw that someone lost a friend in a support group, and we had that news about Natasha Richardson. Even yesterday a coworker casually mentioned someone dying of cancer and I think I stopped breathing for a minute and ah, and how can I forget....my aunt who has stage 4 colon cancer and is going into hospice next month. I'll be back in Buffalo for a funeral soon. I think the subject overwhelms me and I dropped right off the boards. That's a toughy. I am really tired a lot too. Anyway, wow, Taxol is a welcome relief after that horrible AC. I have had bad aches and intense fatigue but I'll take that any day over the AC SEs. Well, I'm going to see my plastic surgeon in about an hour and am going to ask him to give me great big boobs like I had before the surgury. ha ha Hang in there everyone.
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ladyjane54-I certainly hope you will be home soon. I was also on oxygen for a couple of days only because I had this dry hacking cough and couldn't catch my breath. I felt really guily ending up in the hospital. I hadn't been feeling good for a few days until last Wed. when I tried to get out of bed, I could barely walk. I had to call my husband at work and he called the doctor and told him to get me in asap. I just feel like if I would have called the doctor sooner, I wouldn't have been in the hospital. But my wbc count was down to 70 and took 3 days just to get to 400. By the time I got to go home I was over 2000. I'm feeling a little better. I'm sleeping well. I just have no energy. I walk very slow. I'm hoping to fully recover in a couple of days. I will be praying for your recovery. Being home is the best place to be.
I'm so happy for all of you that are done. What happens next? I have to wait until Apr. 10th for my first taxotere.
I hope everyone has a great weekend.
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so wierd....i haven't really been all that nauseous before. today is day 4 of cycle 5 (T/C). i have felt nauseous all day. and constipated. i drank miralax and took 2 extra strength colace.
i've been trying to drink lots of water, gatorade, propel water. what else can i do to get things "moving". this is yucky!
the only good news is that i only have one more chemo to go after this. hate chemo. hate breast cancer. i'm missing my son's little league game tonight and that makes me mad too!
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Hi! Had #5 of 12 taxols this am. Almost half done. I'm not even including the past ACs in the equation. In some ways I feel like Jan and Feb were "lost months," but on the other hand I think it was my first chance to really process diagnosis, surgery, chemo, the future. As tired as I was a lot of the time, I realize now that having that time for me was good, and I was able to be there more for my family and me too.
My onc today said, oh tx #4 of taxol, and since I was in my benadryl haze I almost agreed. But actually almost leapt out of my chemo chair to grab the chart--NO. He realized the nurse hadn't written down a tx. So we are on the same page.
LadyJane54--I misread and thought you were home. Hope you do get home ASAP, and it sounds like you're getting good care and I hope you're home for the birthday day. That love you are getting from everyone when you need it most is so great. (And yup, before my surgery students in one class raised hands to give me "good wishes." one was "I hope you don't die.")
I know what you mean about the guilty. I'm so prone to feeling guilty, to the point of apologizing for getting breast cancer. Crazy thinking!! I think we just need to do what we feel at the time is best for us physically and emotionally. I barely got tx today as I had 99.4, and I didn't even tell them I'm getting a sore throat again...I don't want them to tell me not to work, because those kids' hugs and (most) of my co-teachers' and parents' support is invaluable.
Brenda--SO GLAD you were able to continue with tx and you don't have to "make up" the one you missed. I hope those neupogen shots work for you. During AC I had 3 or 4 of those in a row, and they did help, and the SEs were less than the Neulasta. Wishing you no SEs.
Renrel--I just get the steroids in my IV drip. Onc. will cut benadryl and steroid in half next time. I hope I don't get allergic reaction.
Well, dinnner's on. HUGS, kim
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lisalisa - Milk of Magnesia works for me quickly. Prune juice might help. I read that Colace takes 1 - 3 days before the first bowel movement to occurs. How long ago did you start it? You have just one more chemo! Finishing up is a great feeling. You are so close! I know what you mean - I want my healthy energy and full life back. I want to ride a bike! I want my hair!
LadyJane, PLUTZ, BerkeleyKim - Guilt. I have this not-pulling-my-own-weight guilt too often. I am trying really hard to apologize only when I mean it. I take great pleasure in sayin "I am taking care of this and it's a #1 priority, even if it's inconvenient for you too". But sometimes that's harder to do that than others.
My PS is great. He looked at my path reports today and gave me a big pat on the back. He thinks I'll be A-OK when it's all done. That boosted me. Wouldn't it be a treat to know that for sure?
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Ladyjane - It is wonderful how the little ones just say what is on their mind, so long as we as adult can filter out our expectation of what is proper. And I think it is wonderful that he wanted to come visit you in the hospital. What a kind soul he must have to be so thoughtful at such a young age. How did you do without the oxygen yesterday? Any word on when you can go home?
Year of the Hat - How did you PC visit go?
Plutz - How is your energy today?
LisaLisa - I have noticed that while I have not been actually nausous I have been more queasy with later treatments and more indigestion. I think it is just the cheme beating up on a system that had been beat up a few times before. I hope you feel better soon.
BerkelyKim - Glad you are reaching toward the end!
Hi my jewels! I am having a tough day. The nutrition consult was good and I am anxious to share some of the info in case anyone else can use it but I am just not up for it tonight. After the consult, or maybe before, I forget now, I picked up two more head coverings for summer. They both can go under the hat I bought and I got a card to give me 10% off purchases. Wish I bought one of those about 3 months ago. I knew the $10 would be worth it but didn't want to admit I am a gift shop junkie and did not know it is good in the boutique. After the hospital I went to the store for 2 items and instead walked the ailses to see what else we might need. By the time I was done it was 3pm, I had not eatten lunch, I had not been drinking much and I felt weak tired and my knees were seriously acking. I went home. Unpacked the stuff that needed refrigeration or the freezer. Made myself some lunch and took off to pick up DS. There was traffic and my knees were feeling worse. Luckily DS was in a good mood so no fuss at pick up. He wanted to go to the park on the way home and I said I was not up for it. He said he would find someone to play with at the park so all I had to so was sit and watch, which he has never suggested or offered before, but still I needed to go home and rest. I felt bad. Luckily we were not home too long before DH got home. So I climbed into bed and DH took care of making dinner and then they ate alone while I napped. I later joined them for bedtime snack, feeling a bit better after some motrin but as I watched TV while DH did bedtime routine my knees started hurting some more. I also feel moody and my appettite is down and my taste buds are worse then usually. I just want to be left alone to read or nap in bed or watch something mindless on tv. But the house is a mess and while this is not unusual it is bothering me and I want to neated but I am too tired. I did a bit of guided imagary in bed and it helped a bit but not as much as usual. I am going to head to bed for the night very shortly but did want to stop by and see how every one else was doing and give an update. Even the usually upbeat jewels can have bad cranky days. (LOL)
I read the new articles on the home page before checking in here. There is one about a study on metatastic bc that suggest it may be very important to have a biopsy if lord forbid any of us find ourselves with such a diagnosis. In this one study of 29 woman 16 of the sites thought to be metatatic bc were either not metatatic bc or the hormone or HER2 status had changed which obviously changes what the prefered treatment would be. I hope this information is never of use to any of us but I wanted to make sure all of you were aware of the study just in case.
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Hi ladies
Haven't been on the board for a minute. I am asking for all prayer warriors to please pray for my son Malcolm, he is in desperate need of a liver and currently at Tampa General, been there since the 16th and they just put him in ICU a few hours ago. He is on a steady decline but I continue to pray and believe that he will pull thru this and come home soon. He was so weak when I went to see him today but he was able to tell me he loves me very much, that felt so good because he has been lethargic for a few days and now this. I was feeling good about finishing my treatment but now it just feels like a slap in the face, me getting better and my son worse, life is not fair but we have no say in the matter so I will continue to pray.
I decided to have a prop L mast the 9th of next month to get what I see as a better outlook on the future with less of that recurrence scare hanging over my head so I can just concentrate on him and now this.
I cannot imagine losing my son and I don't know how to tell my oldest he is so sick because he is stationed in VA and I don't want to scare him if it's a false alarm....just scared and confused and needed to let this out. Thanks for listening.
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Renrel - Sorry you had a tough day. I napped all evening and am up now. This treatment is temporary and I am sure people around each of us all understand that to some degree. I feel bad because spring is in full bloom and the dog is not being walked as much as she needs to be. I plan to take her tomorrow if I have any energy at all. Th ewalk will be good for me.
I had chemo today - nothing to report there.
My PS is so good. We looked in the mirror and I pointed out all my picky detail things. He had comprehensive and candid answers for all my concerns and drew a few diagrams for me. He's done this kind of work for so long. I feel he can and will take care of all my concerns. Again, he also reviewed my path report because I was wondering why radiation was discussed initially by my onc, then dropped from the program. He told me the path report was "all high five stuff" with a 'geeze why are you worrying' air. He said if the onc isn't really sure rads are needed, then don't do it...the long term effects on tissues are not worth it. I realize this is a PS talking and I will talk to my onc about it but that really did ease my mind.
Hope you get restful sleep and feel better tomorrow - everyone
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Oh Misty. I am sorry to hear about your son. I hope there is a breakthrough there with a donor, soon!
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Oh Misty--I'm sending you big hugs and hope for your son to improve while in the hospital and to move up to #1 on the donor list RIGHT NOW! I hope tomorrow will bring clarity about whether you should tell your older son. I know you don't want to worry him but he might be a big support to you both, at least to talk with on the phone. Life is not fair, and right now I am feeling so angry that you are going through this and will keep the 4-letter words to myself.
We are here to listen to you.
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Misty123,
Praying for you and your son!
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Misty, please keep us updated. I hope a liver comes in for him soon. It must be so hard wondering at what point to call your older son. I hope the next call is to tell him a liver is coming for Malcolm
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Misty, I am praying for you and your son.
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Misty, my heart goes out to you. I will keep Malcolm in my heart and thoughts through out today wishing him strenth and healing and praying that he moves to the top of the transplant list. It is wrong that you have to deal with both of these issues at the same time. Just wrong. I will also be keeping you in my heart and thoughts as you do your best to care and pray for him. I can't imagine going through what you have the last few months.
Michele
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Misty,
many prayers on the way for you and Malcom! I can't imagine even dealing with a transplant on top of breast cancer. hugs to you!
Lisa -
Misty: My heart is breaking for you. So sorry to hear Malcolm is not doing well. I have requested prayers for him again on several prayer chains in my area. Hopefully you'll have good news to report soon. I can not imagine a worse nightmare than losing or even thinking you might lose a child. May God bless you and comfort you at this difficult time. Patti
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Misty, Malcolm is right where he needs to be.. they will get him through this. Can't imagine your life right now -- it is simply not fair. When thinking about your oldest son.... if it helps you to have him know, then call him ... Prayers are with you and Malcom.
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Misty - If you stop by here I would love it if you could either post or PM me talking just a wee bit about Malcolm. What he looks like, what he is like (introvert, extrovert, into sports, into punk rock, whatever makes him him. Something for me to think and focus on about while I pray for him.
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Misty - I'm at a loss to comprehend what you must be feeling or what words of comfort to offer. Stay strong. There are so many people who are sending you good thoughts and prayers for both you and your son. I'm sending you love and hope for all the best.
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I'm praying for Malcolm....
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Misty - my prayers go out for Malcolm and your entire family..... I wish there was something I could do......
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Misty, thinking of you and Malcolm. Words cannot express how sorry I am you are dealing with all of this. Please know we are all here for you, and please keep us updated. Hoping for some good news soon, I hope everything turns around and you start getting good news in days and weeks ahead.
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Misty - I would our a request on my carepaged blog and another one I keep in another forum for prayers for Malcolm. My mind has been on him often today with wishes for healing. Hugs to you dear Jewel.
Here are a few tidbit from all the information I got at the consult with the nutritionsiist. There are from handouts. My notebook is downstairs so I may edit or make another post later.
Food as Medicine handout highlights:
5-9 servings of fruits or vegs
unlimited non-starchy vegetables to neutralize stress horomones in your body.
Plants with phutonutrients - help the body detoxify
colorful foods
Wash produce well. Concider organic.
Whole Grains
contain phytonutrients and B-Vitamins
contain fiber that aids in eliminating toxins
look for 3 grams per serving of crackers or cereal
Stay well hydrated while eating high fiber foods
Try brown rice, quinoa and buckwheat
oils
Aim for 4 oz oil low mercury fish 2-3x a wee - salmon, mackerel, halibut, sea bass, herring, bluefish, sardines, anchovies.
Omega -e are also found in soy, walunts, pumpkin seeds and flax
other healthy fats - olive oil, avacodo, nuts
protein
Consume protein with every meal and snack to meet higher energy needs during treatment and for longer lasting energy.
Seeds, beans, eggs, soy, fish, lean meat, poultry, protein powder, cottage cheese, milk. Concider organic.
Cleans your environment
Less process food is better. Limited added sugars
drink plenty of water
cleanse your home with non-toxic cleaners ( I personally use mostly vinigar and baking soda with excellent results)
Recycle
sleep is essential
keep active
reduce stress
food should empower you not stress you out.
Protein worksheet highlights
1.3 grams of protein a day per a killogram of weight during treatment and for a couple of weeks after. Then .8-1 gram
1 serving of protein =7-9 grams.
Sources:
meat, poultry, fish
1 ounce very lean cooked chicken, turkey, canned tuna, halibut, flounder, cod, 93%lean beef, shellfish
1 ounce lean cooked beef (round, flank, chuck, rump roast), pork (tender loin, center cut), salmon, sardines, mackeral, fresh tuna
1 ounce medium -high fat cooked veal, pork (chop, culet, spare rib), beef (greater than 93% lean beef, corned beef, steak, prime rib) game meats
Cheese
1/4 -1/2 cup low or nonfat cottage cheese or ricotta
1 ounce low fat cheese
2TBSP low fat cream cheese
2 oz feta
1 oz regular fat cheese
Dairy
3/4 cup yogert
1 cup milk
1 cup ice cream or frozen yogert
1/2 evaporated milk
Eggs
1/3 cup egg substitute
1 whole egg
2 egg whites
Plant Sources
1/2 lentils
1/2 cup cooked black, kidney, navy, lima, baked beans, ect
1/2 hummus
Soy Products
2 TBSP soy nuts
3/4 cups soy milk
2 oz tofu
1/5 oz tempeh
Nuts
2 TBSP peanut butter (natural recommended)
1 oz almonds, peanuts, sunflower seeds
1.5 oz cashews, pine nuts, walnuts
3 oz pecans, macademia nuts
Soy Worksheet highlights
Phytoestrogen is a "plant estrogen" that acts like estrogen in the body binding to estrogen receptors and creating weak estrogen-like effects. Soy is a source of phytoestogens.
Natural soy found in unprocessed foods. On the lable it will be the main food ingredient. It is found in- soy milk, tofu, soy nuts, tempeh, miso, and edamame. 2-3 servings per a week is recommended. It is a good source of protein, calcium, iron, and other nutrients. It does not need to be eliminated from the diet.
Concentrated Soy high in phytoestrogens. On the lable it will say "soy protein isolate", "soy protein", "isolated soy protein", "100% soy protein." It is found in Dietarysupplements, soy based protein bars, many high protein cereal and vegtable meat-less options. You should avoid this it you are a estrogen receptor positive breast canser survivor because studies have shown a poor prognosis from high soy intake, the current recommendation is to discourage concentrated soy in woman with breast canser.
Trace Soy - Soy fiound in trace amounts in many procesed foods and used as an emulsifier, very low levels of phytoestogens. The label will say "soy lecithin" Found in soy sauce, soy bean oil and process foods. You do not need to avoid this because there is such a small amount of it.
I think those are the most relevent. I also got handouts on Weight management after bc treatment, Glutimine, vitamin b-6 sources and reflux nutriention therapy if anyone is interested let me know and I will try to find time to post the highliights from those work sheets.
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Hi, I am new to the chemo forum, but am going to see my oncologist Monday to find out if I will have to go on chemo, and I am SCARED TO DEATH!!! I am considered in the "gray area". I had a bi-later mast. with recon. on Feb.20th. My tumor was 1cm, my cancer was estrogen and progesterone positive, my HER 2 NEU was negative ( which I know that part is good ) but what their concerned about is my Oncotype score, which was 27 before any meds. I guess that is what puts me in the " gray area ". I dont know what to do?? HELP!!
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Believe1- I am so sorry to have you join this sisterhood of bc warriors but please know you will be able to get much need support and information from this sisterhood. There are an
Army of us which is good and bad. Bad because it means so many of us have had to deal with breast canser but good because it means we are living. You are lucky to have many postive factors in your diagnosis. Your doctor will talk to you in detail about what the Onco type means in realation to the rest of your diagonis. I had a very low Onc (13) but the onc I trusted most recommended chemo and I am more than half way through now. Chemo is not easy but is is doable. It is not as bad as what you may have seen on tv or in the movies and it is much easier for most people than it was just 5 years ago. Many woman work full or part time while doing the chemo, though personally I recommend taking as much time off as you can afford to and using the time to rest, de-stress, evaluate and prioritze your life, and think about what having had canser means to you. Remember if they got it all out in surgury then you do NOT have canser. You had canser and anything you do going forward is you setting up defensed against its return not it kicking your butt.All that said, I think you may have posted in the wrong thread. totally understandable while under stress. While we are all here to help each other, this forum is primarly for woman who started chemo in January 2009 and many of us are done or nearing the finish line. You are likely best served taking things step by step and not reading ahead to far. That generally just overwhelms us. You will likely get more on point support in a April 09 thread. If one has not been started you can easily start one. If not maybe the March girls will be able to help you through this initial phase, having gone through it more recently. Please don't feel you are being pushed away. Feel free to PM me if you want to talk to me more. I do care. I just want to see you in the place that will fit your needs best.
Michele
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Renrel, thank you for taking the time to write to me, I appreciate it!! You are right about being on the wrong thread, I wasnt even paying attention, just reading alot. I made a new one in the new topic, so hopefully that is a little better. Again thanks!
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hope everyone is doing well this weekend - we're nearing the finish line!
had taxol #2 on 3/25. this time around it's been much easier. as usual, the day after the neulasta shot, every inch of my body was sore. leg bone pain and neuropathy in the hands from the taxol kicked in last night, but it's not as severe as it was after taxol #1. i doubled up on l-glutamine every day after taxol #1, so that might be why. plus i'm taking 1/2 lortab and 400mg ibuprophen every night before sleep, which helps enormously. this time my feet have neuropathy too--a combination of tingling and numbness. the weirdest thing is that part of my face has been numb for two days so far. all in all, it's bearable and infinitely better than AC. my hair is growing back, and i swear it's growing back PINK! it's the strangest thing!!
hugs to all -
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