GGRRRRR- Husband rant!
Let me start by saying without the unconditional support of my husband I would not have gotten through this ordeal. He has shown a strength I never knew existed until now and I love him with all my heart. That being said........
OH MY GOD WHAT AN IDIOT HE CAN BE!!!!!!!!!!
I am done with chemo, and like we have been talking about on other threads, once you have been dealing with "the beast" for a while people who have been supportive and wonderful tend to fall away and almost act annoyed like "your 15 minutes should be up by now". That has happened to me too. And although I have a lot of lovely friends the cards have stopped, they think this is all "over" and if I have the nerve to still have a down day they just don't understand why.
Hubby has proven to be the same way. Although if anyone has a right to be tired of it, he does! This whole experience of course, has been emotionally exhausting for our entire family.
Anyway, as my oncologist says is normal, once treatment ends the fear of reoccurance can begin. I don't have a support group locally (besides you guys) so I have been dealing on my own the best I can.
So last night, I was telling my husband about my fears because on Ugly Betty there is a character with dying from a cancer re-occurance. He started on the whole "you can't be so negative" thing. And I said I think I have been pretty damn strong and positive through this whole thing. He just looked at me and told me he loved me and basically treated me like a mental patient. This whole "I think your awesome, I love you no matter what." Everything except that he thinks I have been handling this well. So I said "well everyone else thinks I have handled it well and I am allowed to have down times".
So now, I realize I just can't talk to him. He thinks I have been a wimp through this or, he thinks I am a time bomb.
Last night I had another nightmare about "it" coming back and being fatal and I am alone. What's worse, I obviously can't show it when I am down.
Being a survivor of child abuse, I have perfectionist issues so I also understand I may be asking too much of my husband's answer. I know I should talk to him about this but frankly, I just don't want to.
AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
Love to all
Robyn
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Hi Robyn
I know how you feel. You absolutely have the right to be pissed and worried and have down days. I honestly don't know if anyone else would understand that, unless they've been in your shoes. I remember a similar situation with my husband. They day we met with the surgeon two years ago and he pointed out all the areas on the mammogram where there was cancer - told me that a mastectomy was my only option. I sort of knew he was going to say that, but couldn't sleep that night. It was very upsetting to learn I was going to lose a breast and then to try to figure out what to do about the other one was difficult. My husband came downstairs and found me crying and gave me the speech "You are lucky it was found early, you'll be fine, don't be so negative, blah, blah blah". Well I think I deserved one stinking day to be upset about it and I let him have it. I needed him to say "THIS SUCKS" but he wasn't in that frame of mind, he was trying to be strong but thats not always what we need. This DOES suck and I HAVE been positive through the whole ordeal (yes, twice) but we absolutely deserve and will have bad, down, days.
I would just continue to talk with the sisters on the board. People say how they think they would feel, but not going through it themselves - they'll never know. I've never met with a support group other than here on-line, but maybe that would work for you too? Talking to others in the same situation with the same concerns is best medicine. I have a friend who is a 15 year survivor and she always has the best insight and seems to know exactly what to say. Hang in there.
Love, Laura
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Robyn,
I don't have much I can say to help, but here is a hug (((robyn))) and a funny video that may help you understand how a man's brain works. (I hope its ok to post this - its just a youtube vieo)
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Robyn
I do know how you are feeling. It is just their way of dealing with bc. My husband has been(is) very supported durning the last 3 years. Durning my first diagnosis I was very strong and postive. Even with the second reoccurance I still remained strong and postive, but with this last reoccurance I have decided if I need have a pity party for my self I would, If I want to sit on the couch all day or stay up all night I will. I finally had to sit my DH down about a month ago and explain again that this will never go away and he had better get his head out of the sand. I think he finally got it. I live out in the boonies so there is no support group here. This site has been a sanity saver for me.
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I know what you mean too. I think that it's worse when you've been strong and positive throughout. It's almost expected of you. My husband has had a bit of an eye opener. Our neighbour was diagnosed with lung cancer and I don't think his prognosis is great. Anyway, anytime my husband sees him he complains (my husband's word not mine). Now, although my husband agrees this man has every right to complain my husband keeps going on about how I never really complained. So at least I'm getting credit for that! I think he now understands that I went through hell and didn't really kick up a big stink about it.
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It's so hard for our husbands to totally understand where we're coming from in all of this. I think we have higher expectations for them than say for a friend or co-worker, b/c we figure, well he went through it with me, he gets my fears, yada, yada, yada. I think that high expectation more often than not comes back to bite us in the butts, b/c in the end, nobody, absolutely NOBODY is going to get our fears except for those of us who have personally walked through it. That's why this board is so important to me. I can "process" things I'm feeling here and then go do the laundry, KWIM?
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I finish Herceptin in a few weeks, then I will be scheduled for a PET/CT. This whole idea terrifies me. My DH (who really has been wonderful or at least pretty darned good throughout the last 14 months) said, "I'm more worried about the results of my cholsterol test than the results of your PET scan." Now, I THINK he was trying to be positive and tell me not to worry, but his wording made me more than a little annoyed.
I agree with you, Emily. NOBODY is going to get our fears but us. Not even those who love us and have been there for us. He could look at my mastectomy scar first, talk to the surgeon first, and support me all the way, but he doesn't really "get it" now.
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Wow, Sue--I had to read that statement twice. Yes, I guess he was trying to express his confidence that your PET would be normal...but, what a way to say it!
Robyn, I was dx'd and had a mast/SNB a year ago. It took my dh a long time to "get it." He just assumed (like most of the rest of the planet) that surgery would take care of everything, and if the surgeon "got it all", I would be fine. Chemo was not on his radar at all, so when my onco recommended 4 rounds of TC because of my Oncotype score, that was quite a surprise.
Our most difficult conversations had to do with my sense of doom. He just didn't understand why I was so worried about a recurrence. (I've calmed down about that since then. A year can make a lot of difference.) My dh is data-oriented, so I had to show him the numbers. Likelihood of recurrence after 5 years, then 10 years ... then the studies that came out late last year saying women with ER+ tumors might never be able to relax completely. There really is no "cure" for breast cancer; and we can't assume it won't come back if we're clear for 5 years, especially if it was an ER+ tumor.
He gets it now. He even understands why I get gloomy from time to time, and why I occasionally worry about the future, even though I'm fine right now. But, generally, he's an optimist, and he would understand the comment from Sue's husband (except my dh doesn't worry about his cholesterol, either.)
otter
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Last night DH took me and our 10 yr old out to dinner. I have been low and worried and hating that my eyelashes are gone and my eyebrows are almost totally gone and will be soon thanks to Taxol. We talked about how much I hate my body right now and hate how I look in every way shape and form. I was pretty cute in 1985 when we met and when I think about how I look know I could just throw up. Well he was wonderful, we talked about the other night and I said I thought he didn't want to talk about this whole thing any more. And he said that may be what I thought I heard but it wasn't what he was saying or how he felt. I guess I do have to accept my mood alters how I hear things. I get angry at the fact I have had to deal with this rotten stuff and it splatters all over everyone. We talked about my fear of it coming back, my nightmares and I am so proud of myself, I managed not to cry in the middle of the restaurant!
In the middle of things my 10 year old daughter said in a very annoyed voice "Why are we STILL talking about this? This is SUPPOSED TO BE OVER!"
I am glad we said what we got said because I am sure our conversation was freaking my little one out. She is very sensitive and whether or not its the right thing to do, I want to shelter her from my fears as much as possible. So DH explained to her that "Mommy is going through something really difficult and we need to be able to talk about it." But then we dropped it and had a fun dinner. And that's why I love him!!!!!!
Love to all
Robyn
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Hi Robyn!
Although I got my "rant" out on the other "rant - jerk" thread I am so glad you got this one going too. It is so helpful to hear so many other women talk about similar feelings!
Hope you're having a great day!
xoxo,
Carole
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I tend to rant
maybe because I am a Taurus!
Luv ya
Robyn
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Robyn,
First comment, I am a Taurus too, so I definitely relate. Second comment, THANK YOU FOR STARTING THIS THREAD!!!
I too have a wonderful husband and he has been very supportive, but...........................
Part of the problem is he is suffering through this as well so sometimes I feel I need to be more aware of him. No, he hasn't ever said that, but I know from 35 years together that this man is so afraid of losing me and me going through anything terrible,
I am very fortunate. I have three great adult children (31, 29,28) who have been my lifeline. I was so scared when this started that I didn't even realize that I had done role reversal and completely depended upon then emotionally. I told them every little detail, every single day, never thinking about my role as a mom to try to shield them from pain and worry. I needed them. Well guess what, they have been terrific and have run with the ball. I am so very proud of them and know that I am so lucky to have them.
I have recently finished radiation and finished chemo early January. I have now landed in the worry pit. Just yesterday I had my hubby feel what I think is a lump near the original site. I did have a PA check it when I finished rads last Monday and he did not think it was cancer, probably scar tissue. Ahhhhhhh, that word "probably". He said these feelings and fears are all very normal and I will have to be much further away from dx and tx to not be thinking about it all the time, but the day WILL come. I sure hope so. I am also hoping that logically nothing could have survived in there through the 35 rads.
Yes, I have been mostly positive (even slipping into a little denial still) most of the time, but I am so glad to read about these feeling of fear and self pity.. Lately I have been hearing about recurrances and new dx's. Not all are breast cancer, but I feel I am being surrounded by cancer. Every day I read in the news about someone dying of this horrible beast. I also know that right now I am noticing the negative and I am well aware that there are many success stories. That's where I am hopefully heading, but it is a bumpy ride and I feel like I am on a local and I want to board the express train. I guess it doesn't matter as long as we arrive.
Wishing you all good health and a bright future.
Caren
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You are doing the best thing, ranting first to women who know what you are feeling, and then going back to your husband for a talk.
I have just been diganosed this week. Today when I woke up and my little children were playing in their bedroom, I broke down crying. I had a sudden morbid feeling and could not shake it.
My husband came over to give me a hug and tell me not to worry. Then he proceeded to inform me that he was going out to fix a friends car and would be gone for the rest of the day.
I felt abandoned at that moment, but I remained silent because I didn't feel like I should have to tell him to stay home to be with me. I will talk to him later about it and explain how horrible it felt to have him walk out like that.
We are all human, husbands included, and we will overcome our fears one day at a time.
My love to you
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I am soooo thankful for this site and the forums and mostly for everyone here. I find that everyday I am on these sites and everyday I find someone who thinks, feels, expresses EXACTLY what I am experiencing. I am moved to tears that someone really understands the fears I have, the denial, the anger at my dear husband(who tries so hard but is oftentimes clueless), the feeling of abandonment from friends and so and so forth.
Caren, I also see the negative so much these days as well. I don't know why. I have always been such a positive person . I don't feel I can talk with DH about it because he doesn't get it. I thought it was just him and am reassured that others hubbys are the same. All I can say, as I choke back and hide my tears, is thank you thank you thank you dear sisters!
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i so feel the same way. It is nice to be able to come and vent. My husband shows concern, but hasn't gone with me for chemo tx because i know he won't be able to handle sitting there and will become grumpy. I can't handle being around grumpy right now. I have a very good friend come with me who makes sure I am being taken care of, especially when the cancer center gets busy. It bothers me that I know better than to have him come with me. I can't force him to "support" me in that way. this is a very useful thread.
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i have had great support thruout from my husband- but thats about it, everyone else seems to think my worries are over and cant understand my "down" times. I lost my job and feel useless at times, have been job searching, but with no luck. i am a nurse and i am used to taking care of patients, not being one. i worry alot about recurrence and find it difficult to feel like a survivor, last herceptin was may 2008. i now take letrozole daily and continue to see breast surgeon and onc.
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