Herceptin for two years

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mona1
mona1 Member Posts: 7

I was diagnose with invasive ductal carcinoma in 12/2007 (stage 2B or 3A) ER-/PR- HER2. These are treatments I have done: 4 AC+ 4T and I am finishing 1 year of Herceptin. My oncologist recomended continuing one more year of Herceptin. I did some research and it looks like that they still don't have any results for HERA trial. I am very confused what do you ladies think?

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  • orange1
    orange1 Member Posts: 930
    edited March 2009

    You are right, results from the 2-yr arm of HERA are not available yet.  However, your onc obviously wants to decrease your risk as much as possible. (Based on this, I think you have a great onc; most aren't willing to go too far outside of "standard of care"). 

    If it were me, it would depend on my MUGA results.  If your heart function has declined significantly, it may not be worth the risk to your heart.  If your heart function is good, and close to were it started, I would certainly consider it, especially if your insurance will pay for it.  I would continue to monitor heart function during treatment to make sure the Herceptin is not adversely affecting you.

    Good luck.

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited March 2009

    WOW..

    first time I heard of an onc recommending Herceptin for the 2 years as adjuvant treatment.

    Orange1 is right in her post.

    I finished my Herceptin in Nov 2008, and then asked my onc about the 1 year vs 2 year thing. he said that he does not beleive there would be a huge advantage, if that was the case we would have heard about it a while ago. He says 1 year or 2 years would have the same effect. but that is just his opinion.

    What does concern me though is the heart issues doing it for more than a year.

    Good luck and please keep us Her2 girls updated on what you decide to do!

    ~~ChEErS~~ !

  • suemed8749
    suemed8749 Member Posts: 1,151
    edited March 2009

    I have one or two more Herceptin treatments, so this is really interesting! I'm very impressed that your onc is recommending this since the study results are not finalized.

    Like Lexi, I'll be looking forward to your update.

  • 07rescue
    07rescue Member Posts: 168
    edited March 2009

    I spoke with a drug rep from the manufacturer of Herceptin a couple of weeks ago and they are working on a subcutaneous injection delivery system for Herceptin, because they believe it will be reported as having a significant benefit when given for two years. The injection delivery will make it easier to take for such a prolonged period of time.

    I believe the updated HERA  results will be reported at the Miami Breast Cancer conference any day now. I just went to their website yesterday and there was nothing up there yet, and no press releases given out. I'll keep checking. If anyone sees anything appear I hope you will post it.

  • helena67
    helena67 Member Posts: 357
    edited March 2009

    I saw an abstract at the St. Gallen conference last week that they would not report the 2-year treatment data until 2011.....Kind of strange - it would be good to know earlier.

  • 07rescue
    07rescue Member Posts: 168
    edited March 2009

    Thanks for that update, Helena67.

    I will be disappointed if they don't give us any interim reports from HERA until 2011.  

  • helena67
    helena67 Member Posts: 357
    edited March 2009

    Here is the abstract:

     L. Gianni, A. Goldhirsch, R.D. Gelber, E. Azambuja, M. Procter, M. Untch, I. Smith, C. Jackisch, D. Cameron, S. Muehlbauer, B. Leyland-Jones, M. Piccart-Gebhart, J. Baselga, R. Bell,  for the HERA study team

    Background: Trastuzumab, a recombinant monoclonal antibody against the HER-2 receptor, has been shown to significantly improve disease-free and overall survival in women with HER-2 positive early breast cancer when given concurrently with or sequentially after chemotherapy.
    Materials and Methods: HERA is an ongoing international, multicenter, randomised phase III trial comparing one or two years of adjuvant trastuzumab given every three weeks with observation in 5,102 patients with HER-2 positive either node-negative (tumour size ≥1.0 cm) or node-positive early breast cancer who had completed locoregional therapy and had received at least four cycles of standard neoadjuvant or adjuvant chemotherapy. Central confirmation of HER-2 positivity and LVEF ≥55% after completing chemotherapy and radiotherapy were required prior to randomisation. The second planned interim analysis of the 1 yr vs 2 yr trastuzumab comparison in the HERA trial was conducted on October 20, 2008. The Independent Data Monitoring Committee (IDMC) recommended that the study continue as planned without disclosing data on the 2 yr trastuzumab group. In the observation and the 1 yr trastuzumab groups, 827 disease-free survival events (DFS) have been observed at a median follow up of 48.4 months after randomization, and are the subject to the present update.
    Results: After release of the HERA and the combined B31 and N9831 results in 2005, a protocol amendment allowed for eligible observation patients to receive trastuzumab and data were continuously collected. Out of the 1698 observation patients, there were 885 observation patients who crossed over to trastuzumab. These late starter patients started trastuzumab at a median of 22.8 months (<1-52.7) from randomization.
    The updated intent-to-treat (ITT) analysis of DFS confirmed a statistically significant benefit in favour of the patients who received 1 yr of trastuzumab following chemotherapy compared with observation (p < 0.0001). Additional analyses to examine the effect of the late start of trastuzumab in the observation group and the influence of the selective crossover on the treatment comparison will be presented.
    Conclusion: The updated analysis of the HERA trial confirmed the benefit of delivering adjuvant trastuzumab for 1 yr after chemotherapy in women with HER2-positive tumors despite the substantive crossover of observation group patients to active treatment. The HERA study is ongoing and final results including the comparison of 1 yr vs 2 yrs trastuzumab are expected in 2011.

  • ejlj
    ejlj Member Posts: 211
    edited March 2009

    my onc mentioned the 2 year possability as well, but we haven't talked about it lately.  I'm going to ask him about the subque version next time as well.  tina

  • lexislove
    lexislove Member Posts: 2,645
    edited March 2009

    You know what I really think....

    If there was that much of an advantage to 2 yrs vs 1 yr..something would have been reported by now. IF there is any significant advantage, I think it wouldn't be that much. And even if it was...would we qualify to take the extra year ...being 2,3,4, yrs from our original 1 year doses? Undecided

  • Sassa
    Sassa Member Posts: 1,588
    edited March 2009

    Don't forget there is also data to support giving herceptin for three months instead of 1 year. 

     Of course, the drug manufacturer would rather see the standard of care be one year (or two) vs 3 months.  Much better for their bottom line fiscally.

  • 07rescue
    07rescue Member Posts: 168
    edited March 2009

    Obviously it is in Genetech/Roche's interest to see a result that supports the use of Herceptin for two years instead of one. The Finnish study did demonstrate benefit appeared equal for both 9 treatments vs the full year of Herceptin, if I recall correctly, but there need to be additional studies to corroborate those results.

    I am more concerned with the end results of whether two years does offer any significant reduction in recurrence and survival as it impacts us, and society. If enough people survive better and longer it will offset the costs for the additional year of treatment, and if Herceptin can be given as a quick, subcutaneous injection the administration will be much cheaper, saving much in both labor and other resources, so that savings might be cost effective.

    I prefer to be a cancer free taxpayer, than either disabled, ill, or dead. Especially if the total costs of treatment are equal, or not much more than one year of treatment. I guess we will find out as soon as possible if the results are good for Genetech/Roche. If not, we will wait until 2011, LOL. 

  • rosesinwinter
    rosesinwinter Member Posts: 70
    edited March 2009

    The financial implications of 1-year vs 2-year Herceptin are quite interesting. I am always concerned when the physician ordering the treatment is affiliated with a for-profit center and will benefit financially from the cost of the Herceptin.  Personally, I have worked in the dialysis field for over 20 years; I have worked for for-profit companies for over 15 years that are based outside of the hospital.  These companies make most of their profit from the administration of the ancillary drugs that are given and not the dialysis treatment.  I chose to go to a university-affiliated cancer center for my breast cancer treatment to reduce the conflict-of-interest dilemmas that the physicians experience. In fact, a local oncologist had just opened a free-standing chemo center near me and pleaded with me to come there for treatment last year.  It may well be that 2 years of Heceptin becomes the standard after study results are available but less than 1 year may also become the standard following the FIN-HER results. I asled a local oncologist about the FIN-HER study and he became very defensive, saying that "that is what they are doing in socialist countries that won't pay for the right treatment".  The oncologists at the university cancer center actually TOLD me about the FIN-HER study and added that many chemo regimens for other cancers have been shortened in the past after extensive studies were available on their efficacy.

    Gosh, I don't mean to sound so cynical because I love my own medical team but we all need to carefully watch out for our interests and be aware that there is a "medical industry" out there!

  • orange1
    orange1 Member Posts: 930
    edited March 2009

    Good point rosesinwinter.

    Thanks for posting 

  • JeninMichigan
    JeninMichigan Member Posts: 2,974
    edited March 2009

    It may be different since I am Stage IV, but my doctor says Herceptin probably for life.  She said until Tykerb proves itself further, she will keep me on Herceptin indefinately.   I will be at a year in May but she said not to plan on stopping anytime soon.  She told me for stage IV, she has been burned too many times with stopping due to insurance companies and then two months later the cancer is back.

    Jennifer

  • rosesinwinter
    rosesinwinter Member Posts: 70
    edited March 2009

    That is an excellent point Jennifer.  The protocol for stage IV treatment with Herceptin is quite different at many institutions than that for stages 1-3.  The debate lies much more with early-stage breast cancers as to risk vs benefit ratio of varying lengths of Herceptin treatment. Clearly these risks have to be studied in appropriate clinical protocols and not just with the anecdotal accounts of practicing oncologists.  As a medical professional, I have seen several drugs taken off the market that were shown to have few side-effects in relatively small clinical studies but had serious side-effects when you could see them in use by tens of thousands of patients. In addition, the participants in clinical studies are often carefully screened and don't have the risk factors that those who will eventually use the medication may also have.

    It sounds like your oncologist is willing to stand up for you!  Hope all goes well.

  • mona1
    mona1 Member Posts: 7
    edited March 2009

    Thanks to all of you. You have so much info. on this!! Just a quick update: I have asked another two oncologist about this. One said that he had patients in Europe that had only received Herceptin for three months,and they are still doing good now that is after10-15 years. He said one year would be enough, since we don't know the benefits vs the side effects. He also mentioned that continuing Herceptin for an additional year might affect the heart and it may even be a few years after finishing the treatment.

    The other oncologist said that she would not recommend it since they don't have any results and it may have some side effect for the heart. On the other hand, when I asked my cardiologist, He said that he will monitor me every three months (Echo or MUGA) and if there is any harm, I can stop the Herceptin. He also mentioned that the heart problem might appear after a few years but it is rare.

    Now a  nurse told me that Herceptin is very tolarable but maybe I should take a brake for a few months after completing my first year and if I decide to continue it,I can. I have not made up my mind totally, But will let you know when I do.

     No wonder I'm confused

    Mona

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