Atypia Hyperplasia-Now What?

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  • mkd1061
    mkd1061 Member Posts: 37
    edited March 2009

    Finally someone who knows Dr Drogula!   :-)

  • oncRN
    oncRN Member Posts: 71
    edited March 2009

    yep...and I love her, as a nurse and as a patient...and that says a lot!

  • Hindsfeet
    Hindsfeet Member Posts: 2,456
    edited March 2009

    OncRN, at the rad center, the rad doc said several of the women who had dcis or breast changes opted for mx and breat consruction. They saw too much bc and suffering. She said they love their new breast...that their new breast are better than what they had. She was trying to talk me into mx.

    I have had 2 lumpectomies in the same breast, and if it happens again, I will have a mx with reconsruction.

    However, I do appreciate what Deitre is saying. When I first heard that I had cancer, I thought wack them off. After a few days, I didn't want them off. It was all psychological. I couldn't put my finger on it. I don't like the idea of putting something foreign in my body. I like my breast...and for me, it has to do a little with my feminine side...not sure?

    If it happens that I have another recurrence, I will struggle, and feel like something about me is missing. I will need help. 

    Because I'm extremely high risk, I will be seen every three months for the first few years..and than six months. These dr appointments will help me not forget that I need to be proactive in staying healthy.  

  • oncRN
    oncRN Member Posts: 71
    edited March 2009

    Sounds like you are comfortable with your decision, and that is what matters.  We all can have different right answers, and doctors (or anyone else) should not be talking you in or out of what feels right to you.  Good luck!

  • floridian
    floridian Member Posts: 128
    edited March 2009

    HI OncRN -

    Thanks so much for sharing your story and keep us posted on how you are doing.

    Best Wishes,

    Kim

  • karen9516
    karen9516 Member Posts: 155
    edited March 2009

    Deirdre1- What I mean by attitude is if you make the decision go with it then own it. Attitude does make a difference in that respect. I know I want to avoid cancer more than any other illness. I think anyone knows there are complications with any kind of surgery. I worked oncolgy for 2 years. I have seen allot of suffering, but none more than with cancer. There are so many psychological aspects of cancer or even the fear of it. Yes we all know we could get it sometime but when you have been told you have it or you have a very high chance of getting it it brings it home. I agree that some people should have counseling but not everyone.I don't think counseling is what I needed to help make my decision. There are complications we have heard people talk about them and that isn't caused by bad attitude I know that. The good news is with atypical cells you don't have to do anything immediately. Make sure you are willing to take all the risks mkd1061 before you do it because there is no turning back once you do it. This surgery isn't for everyone I just know it was for me.

  • Mamie2
    Mamie2 Member Posts: 108
    edited March 2009

    Here's a big hug for you Deirdre. I'm sorry you are feeling this way. I only glimpsed for several weeks the impending acceptance of my doctor looking at me and telling me he had to take my breast if my core biopsy came back negative because the cancer would have been multifocal - Alas!! When it was B9- I literally wept and thought....wait - I AM high risk, but maybe I can really do this with a lumpectomy re-excision and SNBiopsy.... OhMYGOOOD!!! Thank you!! I was going to sleep at night holding my breasts... and thinking I will never have them again, i will never have this sensation again.... No one was there to counsel me... No one.

    My maternal aunt died of breast cancer and my sister survives stage 4 w/bone &brain mets. I am writing a letter to my three younger sisters, and my seven nieces to begin a campaign to make them more aware of what they should begin to look for. The typical woman does not even know there is a difference between a screening mammogram and a diagnostic one. And my family members should have MRIs!!

    Dearest oncRN. You are a shining light of bravery!! A crown of roses and wisteria for you!! I'll be praying for you come the 26th.  Dear Karen, you are a brave and courageous warrior too. We are all reflections of our experiences, aren't we? It's wonderful to share all our differences and stories. These beautiful women have really helped me to make decisions along the way. Best of luck to everyone.

    mkd - my dad looked at me and said, you don't have to make up your mind right now. think about it. OK - some of us do.... but it looks like you have time to research, and arm yourself with knowledge. oh. did i mention my mom has bc too? I am healing very well, and starting rads soon to be followed by arimidex. Stage 2a. T2 N0 M0. LVI. Gosh ladies I don't know what a Gail Score is!!!

  • Deirdre1
    Deirdre1 Member Posts: 1,461
    edited March 2009

    Thanks Mamie2 that was very sweet!  and I hope none of your relatives ever have to go through what you went through, but you are great for doing the informing of all the relations so that they are more equipped to stay healthy.

    Karen9516:  I DO understand what you are saying - it worked out for you and that's great really!  But it doesn't work out so well for a great many of us and I want that side reflected here so that women (and men) understand that their doc's may not suggest counseling/therapy (what ever you call it) but if it can help someone get through this with a well mind as well as a well body then why would that be a harmful thing to suggest to ALL going through this?  It doesn't make us weak to suggest that thing might be done differently I certainly don't benefit from it - my decision has been made and follow through with - but I am hoping someone else benefits from the suggestion.  We are so quick to jump on the testing, surgery, radiation etc. bandwagon (and why not our lives may be at stake) that it's only after everything is said and done that many women are dumbfounded with their experience.. A therapist is a sounding board to make sure you (I) am hearing our own voice and not just the acceptable treatment that society sees fit as well as the accepted way we should feel after the fact.  I am owning my decision and I am suggesting to other women caught in this mess might take one more step that COULD help them make decisions as well as feel better about those decisions and live a better life after the fact..

  • happytobehere1
    happytobehere1 Member Posts: 20
    edited March 2009

    hi mkd1061

    I was dx with atypical ductal hyperplasia, had a sterotactic and then an excisional bx.  The results came back DCIS.  I am doing a BL masectomy with reconstruction with implants, TE's first though.  I wanted to do the tram flap, but not enough fat down there, even though I think so.  After long consideration, I decided to do both breasts. I don't want to do the rad or tamoxifen.  I am also probably going to be tested for the BRCA gene and if that comes back positive, they will do a hysterectomy. I already had my uterus out in 2002 due to heavy menses, but the gyn left the ovaries.  I am so ready for surgery, just waiting  for the phone call for the date.  I want to get this over with and put this behind me.  I myself have very dense breasts.  They caught this on a screening mammo.  I am glad I do yearly mamms.  My onc dr thinks I am being a little too aggressive with a bl mast, but it is my decision and my body.  Don't let no one decide your decision, go with your gut, that is what I did.   Just stay positive and good luck with your decision.   hugs {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{mkd1061}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

  • Lisa68
    Lisa68 Member Posts: 12
    edited March 2009
    MKD1061 GOOD Luck on your upcoming biopsy.  Smile
  • mkd1061
    mkd1061 Member Posts: 37
    edited March 2009

    Thanks for the good wishes Lisa68!  Tomorrow is my excisional biopsy and I'm trying to stay busy all weekend so I'm not dwelling on it.   Hopefully I'll receive good news when the results come back.  The support from everyone on here has been wonderful. 

  • Lisa68
    Lisa68 Member Posts: 12
    edited March 2009
    MKD1061 I hope you are recuperating well from your biopsy and have good results.  Smile
  • leaf
    leaf Member Posts: 8,188
    edited March 2009

    Let us know how it goes, OK?  Hope all is going well.

  • Mamie2
    Mamie2 Member Posts: 108
    edited March 2009

    i remember when i had my excisional biopsy and SNB midweek in Jan, my doc called me Friday with results. I hope all is going well with you MKD. My thoughts are with you. Any news Happytobehere? Deirdre, funny thing is, even after I wrote the letter to my family - they still feel so unaffected.... as though, this could never happen to me. You can only lead them to the water well... you can't make them drink...

  • mkd1061
    mkd1061 Member Posts: 37
    edited March 2009
    Everything came back clear on my biopsy but I haven't been able to talk to the BS.  I wasn't thrilled with the hospital that I had my biopsy at, the radiologist scared me as it didn't seem like she knew what she was doing.  My BS said hello to me that morning and I haven't talked to her since.   I am still having the discharge from my nipple and she doesn't seem to address that.  I don't thinky I am a "needy" person but I guess I thought we would spend a little more time discussing.  I go in on Tuesday morning to get the steri strips removed.  In the meantime, I have contacted John Hopkins and have a consultation scheduled April 8th.  They are going to look over the slides as well.  I was thrilled to hear that everything was clear but still have this uneasy feeling.  I am still leaning towards PBM and while I am at Hopkins I have a consultation with a PS that does the DIEP procedure as well.   Thank you for all of the good thoughts.  I am so happy my sister showed me this site it has really helped me feel more in control in a situation where so much is out of our control.   Smile
  • Mamie2
    Mamie2 Member Posts: 108
    edited March 2009

    Great. Keep researching and be proactive about what Hippocrates says: Food be thy medicine and Medicine be thy food.... or was it the other way around.... ! 

  • wbuggie
    wbuggie Member Posts: 91
    edited March 2009

    I too had extensive ADH without clear margins after a large amount of breast tissue removed. I realized I could have had another biopsy but felt that with more tissue removed, I would be so disfigured I opted for a bilateral mx.  I am now 2 weeks post op and the frozen path came back with just more high level ADH.  I took this conclusion in my decision making in regards to moving ahead with the PBM and although I must admit to a momentary "second guessing", I feel I have made the best decision for me.  This was my second time of "precancer" and the last continued to come back fast and furious with each cut.  I just did not want a repeat nor having to be checked and worried all the time.  I have/had very dense breast that did not dimish with menopause and did not realize that had left me at high risk. 

    My decision was helped along with several oncologist but the one that pushed me in this direction spoke to me about a skin and nipple sparring due to the "stage" I was at.  The verdict is still out as to how this will look when all the healing is done, but I still feel it was the right decision for me.

    I wish you the best in your options and hope you are at peace with whatever direction you opt for

  • mawhinney
    mawhinney Member Posts: 1,377
    edited March 2009

    My oncology surgeon said to think of atypical hyperplasia that was found during a biopsy as a stage right before cancer. That statement made me choose a mastectomy over a lumpectomy.  Luckily, I made the right decisions as the pathologist found DCIS throughout my breast and it hadn't shown up on any of the biopsies, mammograms, or MRI!

  • Peggio
    Peggio Member Posts: 274
    edited March 2009

    I had ADH diagnosed 3 years ago.  The steriotactic biopsies were extremely uncomfortable for me. It seemed almost every time I had a mammogram I had to put my life on hold and get a biopsy(which I hated).  I got to the point where I would only consider a surgical biopsy.   In Feb of 2008 after my last biopsy, I considered a PBM but wasn't quite there, though I did discuss it with my breast surgeon. One factor was that at the time she couldn't save the nipples. I went for my next mammo in Sept. 2008 and the ADH had spread to a different area and had grown.  By now she had started doing the skin and nipple sparing BMX so that is what I opted for.  I felt that the ADH was getting aggressive and it was only a matter of time before I had cancer. The main reason for me was that I am a worrier and I couldn't live with the risk factors hanging over my head.  I got a Bilateral mastectomy on Nov. 18. and when the path report came back they had found DCIS in my left ADH breast and the start of ADH in my right breast which had never had a problem. I feel like I made the right decision for me.  It has not been without some tough times and challlenges but it was still the right decision for me.

    I wish the best for you and the decision that you make . I will be thinking of you.

  • karen43
    karen43 Member Posts: 24
    edited March 2009

    You guys are scaring me with this stuff! I am doing rads right now on my L breast for dcis and adenoid cystic carcinoma of the breast. I had a lumpectomy in Dec and reexcision for better margins in Jan. The reexcision showed one focus of atypical ductal hyperplasia. The rt breast also has ductal hyperplasia and a fibroadenoma dx per u/s back in Nov. In the back of my mind I have been worried about the rt. breast but the docs don't seem to be. I've never had an MRI. Should I be more questioning this with the docs?

  • Peggio
    Peggio Member Posts: 274
    edited March 2009

    I talked this over with my breast surgeon at length.  She didn't tell me what to do, but helped me sift through the options.  There are many reasons people chose different paths.  I have young children and felt like I couldn't keep dealing with this every 6 months.  If you are comfortable with the treatment you are choosing then it's right for you.  But, if you have a worry in the back of your mind, maybe you need to talk to your doctor again.

  • KATIEKAY
    KATIEKAY Member Posts: 37
    edited March 2009

    Karen43

    I agree with you, started to read these posts and know I'm starting to doubt my decisions. I also am going to start rads in April, Had a lumpectomy in Dec 08 and another one last week to get clear margins and check nodes.  Have clear margins and nodes are clear, This was all for secretory cancer not treatable with rads or chemo. Now i'm told have DCIS, they want to do rads and start me on tamofixin. Doctor told me mastectomy was probably a overkill. I want to keep my breast. I never have had a MRI. They are just know checking for HER. Somethimes I think I read to much on this site and it scares me, Am I making the right decisions.KatieKay

  • Cheryl54
    Cheryl54 Member Posts: 11
    edited April 2009

    I used to spend quite a bit of time on this site, and now stop by just once in awhile.  I had a prophylactic double mast in July 2006, and have felt nothing but 1000% satisfied with my decision and surgical outcome.  BC was rampant in my family and my mother died from it.  I had atypical hyperplasia and other risk factors. I was told my lifetime risk was 85%, and my choices were pbm, removal of ovaries or tamoxifen.  I did not want to do anything that would affect me systemically, and I was told the last two choices would only cut my risk in half.  The pbm offered the greatest risk reduction and had no systemic effects.  I had a great plastic surgeon, and I am thrilled with the cosmetic results.  But the best part is - no more worries!   I can sleep at night, plan for the future, and not worry if I should be spending my days munching on broccoli and flax seeds at every meal.  My final pathology report confirmed my decision -- I was filled with junky, precancerous cells in both breasts, including LCIS.  I believe the pbm saved my life.  I woke up smiling after my surgery and haven't quit smiling.  I don't mean to suggest that my decision is right for all but it was certainly right for me.

  • KatieT
    KatieT Member Posts: 35
    edited May 2009

    I see Dr. Drogula as well.  So what do you all like so much about her?

  • bwes1234
    bwes1234 Member Posts: 9
    edited May 2009

    I was diagnosed with ADH last September. My surgeon was so non-chalant about the diagnosis and told me just to have yearly mamms. While I normally gather lots of info., his demeanor caused me to have no concerns. Ironically, I thought I felt a lump ( I have fibrocystic, dense breasts) in my other breast just last month and decided to have the mamm. a little early ( 8 months after last lumpectomy). To my surprise, the radiologist did find suspicious microcalcifications and recommended a stereotactic biopsy. It came back benign (no ADH) but

    the waiting was torturous. I can relate SO much to all of you ladies like I never would have b4! While I was waiting for the results, I found this site. It was so wonderful to learn from you all but also to realize that my concerns are not unfounded. I check back frequently and whenever I see ADH topic, I check in. These comments are making me feel like I'm not doing enough. I didn't even know that ADH could have different "levels" and this was never discussed w/me. The radiologist did say it would be a good idea to get an MRI but "that could open a can of worms" and involve more biopsy, etc. Aaah! I want to be proactive but not overly pre-occupied. THANKS

    to all of you fir sharing your experiences.  

    Anna

  • ladydocsings
    ladydocsings Member Posts: 12
    edited May 2009

    HI Kim,

    I opted for skin-sparing BPM in December for 3 ADH plus ALH lesions, both breasts affected. My lesions were directly in the sub areolar/ under the nipple area so those had to go.  Previously i had nl mams.  i had TE's placed and just 2 days ago had my exchange done.  OMG, much softer.  My ports were on top and the pectoralis muscles were pretty irritated by them.  Of course i am pretty sore today... bruising and what not, but i seem more comfortable.  I did have fever and chills last night though, so i have to see my PS early tomorrow morning. Given the option of surveillance and or tamox, i would still have chosen BPM... it was right for me.  I personally saw no need for me to see a counsellor though. I am happy with my result so far.

  • floridian
    floridian Member Posts: 128
    edited May 2009

    Hi Ladydocsing - 

    I noticed you said that you had to loose the nipple area due to issues underneath. I thought they could scrape? I was hoping that if my lumps turn out bad, I would be able to keep the skin / nipple. They already took a little of my right one. I that for sure bad to keep the skin / nipple if the lumps are underneath?

  • ladydocsings
    ladydocsings Member Posts: 12
    edited June 2009

    Hi Floridian,

    I haven't gotten on this forum for a while...surgery (all good), recovery, sick mom, end of school year, yadda yadda.

    My BS said that because my disease was right underneath, they could not spare the nipple-areola complex.  if a lady has her abnormalities further away, then they can do the nipple-sparing procedure.  My excisional biopsies were done right at the edge of the areola on both sides.

  • charm04
    charm04 Member Posts: 3
    edited August 2009

    Dear mkd and all women with breast cancer and at high risks,

    I too have atypia hyperplasia and had the wire guided excision 2 years ago. My advice to you is to have only MRIs and thermograms (you can look up more information on thermograms on Dr. Mercola's website). They are very safe and accurate and have no radiation. Please read about he dangers of mamograms - they are very scary and have 1000 times more radiation than chest x-rays. I also take certain things to prevent breast cancer - Over 1000 mg of vitamin D (calcalciferol), a tablespoon of organic flaxseed oil, more effective when mixed with a little cottage cheese, a complex called DIM by Nature's Way (you can get it cheap online at theVitamin Shoppe or get it in their store at the online price. I also eat a lot of almonds daily and exercise regularly. Try to minimize sugar as much as you can. Also take a good amount of omega-3 fats with high levels of EPA and DHA.

  • charm04
    charm04 Member Posts: 3
    edited August 2009

    To all of you with breast cancer risk,

    Please read research on green tea. It supposedly acts like the drug Tamoxifin without any of the side effects. It causes breast cancer cells to self-destruct and prevents them from forming in the first place. Please drink 4-5 cups a day. Or just drink the matcha green tea as it is stronger than regular green tea. Again, I strongly recommend researching this. I have kept my ADH from turning into cancer for years with my regimen of green tea, flaxseed oil, vitamin D, lots of exercise, fibre and very recently, the DIM formula from Nature's Way. Also,don't do mamograms - do thermograms instead and MRIs.

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