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  • Daudine
    Daudine Member Posts: 221
    edited March 2009

    I am in the same situation as you, 38 years old, no cancer but BRCA-1 positive. My mother died from a second breast cancer at 64, first one at 51. My aunt died at 42 of breast cancer another one at 38 from lung cancer, an uncle at 51 from colon cancer.

    I had my ovaries removed last March and I had bilateral mastectomy with reconctruction last May though I have no cancer. My chances were too high (90% breast cancer and 65% ovarian cancer). I don't regret anything though it was a hard road to take.

  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited March 2009

    taraleec, it is possible to have reconstruction on a breast that had radiation, it may, however, cause problems with healing and depending on the type of recon, problems with the expansion of the tissues if implants are used. You need to check out your options with several plastic surgeons and get their opinions. You can also check out www.breastreconstruction.org with specifics on the different types of reconstruction that is available and there is a list of questions to ask your surgeon about the procedures.

    Sheila

  • floridian
    floridian Member Posts: 128
    edited March 2009

    Daudine -

     I was wondering which model you used to determine the risks. I have used the Gail, expanded Gail and others and have come up with a range of 28% on the NCI one to greater than 85% for the detailed one for breast cancer. Neither one takes into account the apocrine metaplasia which is apparently pre-cancer based on the latest research. Also, my doctor is concerned about my ovaries due to enlargement, cysts etc. Any advice?

    Also, Vickie - 

    have you done these risk assessments? I was thinking about the same thing. I have had several biopsies, just finished a lumpectomy which is apparently not what they call it when it turns out benign but still has taken a big chunk out including under the nipple so I'm already what I jokingly call "mangled" (what can you do but joke??) and I have two more on the other side which are growing and haven't been evaluated. When do you stop chopping and just take the damn things away? And I continue to have changes that seem to be leaning towards developing cancer and too much density to make any determinations with tests. Please let me know anything that you find out which may be helpful to me and I'll do the same for you.

  • Debbi5108
    Debbi5108 Member Posts: 182
    edited March 2009

    Hey all,

         Getting ready to go to the PS as we speak well my appt is in about 3 hrs however, I am going to be asking the Questions you guys have mentioned here and will give you the results when I get beack or 1st thing tomorrow,.  I just had surgery the 24th after doing neo-adjuvenant Chemo and although we had good results with the chemo I still hade 7 +nodes and they say as a precaution I should do chemo but, I do not want to put off my reconstruction as I had TE placed at the time of surgery also I had clean margins so if you can think of anything else I could ask Let me know won't be leaving for about 30-45 minutes.

    Deb

  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited March 2009

    Debbi, www.breastreconstruction.org has a page with questions to ask your PS. I don't know if you have checked out that site. It has a wealth of information on breast reconstruction.

    Sheila

  • floridian
    floridian Member Posts: 128
    edited March 2009

    Thanks Debbie! Hope your appt goes well.

    Kim

  • runalot08
    runalot08 Member Posts: 163
    edited March 2009

    Ladies, Thank you for all the recent info. Debbie I hope your surgery went well.  I am sure you wont be on line for a while but I am thinking about you. 

    My fight for a bilateral prof mast was denied.  I guess my Mom having BC at 41 and my aunt at 40. Then there are my great aunts (3 of them), Great grandmas etc was not enough.  I have a variant but it is not considered to be important.  I hope that others who want to get past the constant chaos have better luck.  So right now I am on my second round of antibiotics for swollen nodes in the armpit neck and clavicle.  (but no technology can see anything wrong with my breasts) What a mess.  I know that some women feel a loss when they have the mastectomy and I am not naive and saying I wouldn't but it would be a relief. 

    Debbie let us know how it went and how you feel when you are well enough. 

    Vickie Runalot

  • Mykidsmom
    Mykidsmom Member Posts: 1,637
    edited March 2009

    Kim - You asked about the risk calculators. In my case I had risks calculated that were across a wide range (30-80%) depending on who I spoke w/. What finally clinched it for me was when my husband said - even 30% is too high. That means that 1 out of 3 ladies in an elevator will be dx'd w/ invasive bc. I chose the prophylactic mastectomy route and never looked back. I am so glad that I did!

    Vickie - Are you in the US? I didn't realize that they would turn down a proph. mast. if the patient had a strong family hx and other risk factors. Is it the insurance company that turned it down? Can you get your BS or PS to fight for you? Sometimes insurance companies turn things down and then overturn the results after someone protests. Best wishes. - Jean

  • Annabella58
    Annabella58 Member Posts: 2,466
    edited March 2009

    Taralee:

    I had recon on a rads and lumpectomy boob and it worked out fine!!! I did have complications, but they were able to fix them.  My best advice is to shop PSs reccomended by your breast surgeon, who are experienced in rads boobs recon.

    If you need to PM, I can give you my details, if it will help you.

    Good luck!  Yes, it can most certainly be done (it is not an easy road tho).  Just be stubborn :)

  • tabby
    tabby Member Posts: 135
    edited March 2009

    I too am considering masectomies.  I have been diagnosed with LCIS (Jan. 2009) and have had two bouts of calcifications and two fibroadnomas (if that's what they just took this week!).  The LCIS is not cancer (yet) but puts me at high risk.  I am in the process of doing the genetic testing and don't know the answers on that one yet.  I just had a lumpectomy for the fibroadnoma? and they took some tissue where the LCIS diag. was made.  I am told that I can look forward to tamoxifin (or something similar) for five years, I can do clinical trials (such as random biopsies), and of course, close follow-up.  I find these options invasive and don't think I want to wait until cancer finds me (if it hasn't already).  My biggest fear is hanging on to my breasts only to hear that I now have cancer (then knowing I could have done something to avoid it), so I am thinking let's just get rid of the source.  It's not a great choice, but it's a choice I get to make instead of having it mandatory at some point--maybe I can save my skin or something this way and not have to go through radiation/chemo.  Best of luck to you.  Hopefully you (and selfishly me too) will hear from someone who has made this decision and how they are feeling about it. 

  • Annabella58
    Annabella58 Member Posts: 2,466
    edited March 2009

    Tabby, I feel exactly the same way.  In fact, I am having my oopharectomy/hysterectomy this wednesday, and I will be following up with a prophy sometime this year.  I too dont' want to wait til cancer finds me.  And I was in a gown, wating for my MRI this year when I said "enough! nothing is worth this constant fear!"  I almost feel it's worse that the initial diagnosis.  To live in fear, not what I want.

    Yes, you can save your skin, possibly the nipple as well.  I too hope someone comes on to weight in on this choice.

    Best of luck to you also,,, you are NOT selfish my dear, you are prudent and sensible and pro active.

    xox

  • sunfishlee
    sunfishlee Member Posts: 33
    edited March 2009

    Hi All,

    I had a  ALH and ADH diagnosis in my left breast at 46. Over three years I had three core biopsies and two lumpectomies. I could tell that with every mammogram there would be new calcifications and another surgery. As my surgeon put it, I would be getting a mastectomy a slice at a time. 

    I decided not to continue the watchful waiting/surgery route and had a PBM with TE in January.My family was 100% behind me. Because I did it before dx, I was able to have skin and nipple sparing. When I woke up in the recovery room, the relief was overwhelming. The results are also amazing. My doctor told me, no one will believe me if they looked at me. After two fills, I I believe it also.

    Please be aware, this is a very tough decision. I was torn up to the last minute. The surgery was ok, but the TE are very uncomfortable and I have had severe "phantom" pain. But through all of it, I feel lucky to have had the choice and not face BC.

    Good Luck,

    Lee 

    The pathology came back with ALH and ADH in both breasts, so  

  • Stonebrook108
    Stonebrook108 Member Posts: 237
    edited March 2009

    Tabby,

     I found out in Nov. 08 that I had LCIS. I know I couldn't deal with the stress of tests and meds. and going to the Dr. every 6 months.So I had a bil mast. with implants not expanders on 1/9/09.

     It's now been 8 weeks and I feel great. I had skin sparring not nipple sparring. My BS said that since LCIS is in the lobs. and that goes to the ducts and the last place is the nipples. Why take a chance that you might get something later on in the nipples. My PS said same thing and if there's not a good blood supply they die. No thanks I'll have the PS add some later.

    I was so stressed out about this whole thing and now I have such peace of mind. I sleep at night which I wasn't doing before the surgery. I started to work again after 6 weeks.

    I had really no pain. Just tightness and soreness. but no pain. What a surprise. The worst part was the drains and I had 4. I had a little pain from where the drains came out of the skin.

    I wish you all the best and if you need to talk please send me a private message

    Take care

    Ann

  • floridian
    floridian Member Posts: 128
    edited March 2009

    Hi Ann -

    So great to hear from someone who has been through it . I'm glad it has gone well for you. I was hoping if I have to go that route that I would be able to do it all at once like you. I'm really skittish about general anesthesia because I had a problem once and I also have bleeding issues so maybe one surgery is better for me. 

    Kim

  • Debbi5108
    Debbi5108 Member Posts: 182
    edited March 2009

    Hello All,

         I had my Bi-Lat on 2/24 and to be honest, it wasn't as bad as I had thought it would be, Yes I am sore and yes I feel pressure but, it is so doable.  Went to see the PS on 3/5 and got all 3 of my drains out plus he did my first fill of 50 cc each, wasn't expecting any  of that especially so soon therefore I hadn't taken a tylenol let alone a pain pill and I didn't find it a horrible thing to endure matter of fact it was over before I knew it. I asked about doing reconstruction while doing Rads and his answer was as long as they weren't radiating the breast he could continue with my fills which I mam being told they will radiate the clavicle area only for precautionary purposes, so I guess all is well or as well as can be, also I didnt have to have both breast taken but, chose to as not to have to relive this possibly in 2-5 years as I have seen happen to others I know.  Hope each and everyone is well and If there are any other questions I can ask my doctors let me know cause I go see my BS Monday and will gladly ask any you might have as luckily she is also my friend.

    Chat at You nall soon and Thanks for all your encouraging words You Gals are the Greatest,

    Deb 

  • Mykidsmom
    Mykidsmom Member Posts: 1,637
    edited March 2009

    Hi all - Like Ann and Lee  - I had a bilateral mastectomy for prophylactic reasons (LCIS plus sick of all the other risks). I too did not want to wait and then find out that I waited too long. Like the others, the surgery did not turn out to be that bad and I am feeling pretty much back to normal at 3 months post-op. I say go w/ your gut and do what it is telling you to do, which ever way you go. Best wishes! - Jean

    Deb - Best wishes to you, I am glad that you are healing well!

  • misty123
    misty123 Member Posts: 242
    edited March 2009

    Hi ladies,

    I had a R skin sparing mast on 12/17 and decided to have a prop L after chemo for the same reason as most of you on here, scared of waiting for the other shoe to drop. I have made plans with my BS to do it next month because my last chemo is 3/24 and she said she could do it after 3 weeks post chemo. I have an appt with a PS next week, what I want to do is a skin sparing with immd implants, large B currently a lopsided DD with pros on R. When I had my original mast back in Dec I was under the impression that skin sparing was a good idea for better cosmetic results when it comes time for recon, I recently read that it is useless if it is not immd, has anyone else had delayed reconstruction after a skin sparing with implants instead of expanders and how were the results. Good luck to all those fighting for the right for an prop mast, my understanding is that when it comes to ins they have to go with the patients choose once you have a dx of BC, I have Atnea and that is what was explained to me by the education nurse at the time of my initial diagnosis.

  • Daudine
    Daudine Member Posts: 221
    edited March 2009

    kgoodfl,

     My genetic counslelor told me the risks (%) based on BRCA1, family history, the type of cancer my mother had and my lifestyle. I'm sorry I can't give you more information.

  • runalot08
    runalot08 Member Posts: 163
    edited March 2009

    No, I am not in the States...unfortunately.  I am associated with the military so I am in Okinawa for another 1.5 yrs or so.  I was not denied by insurance...it did not even get that far.  My paperwork and history was sent to Hawaii to a counselor there and she deemed it unnecessary and said basically no before it got to anyone else.  When I was in the states 5 years ago another military doc offered it to me after my genetic testing.  I said that I would keep it in mind...that was 5 biopsies ago.  Guess I have to wait till I get back and I may have more room to fight it.  My Aunt (age at Diag...40) is doing the genetic testing and has already had her blood drawn.  That should help us out.  My mother had cancer also BC at age 41.  She is not entertaining the idea of a blood test. 

    I am so glad to hear that most are happy with their results...having to worry less and not have at least one biopsy a year must be very nice. Laughing One day I will join the club I just have to get out of this area to press my issues. 

    Vickie

  • kyra
    kyra Member Posts: 44
    edited March 2009

    l would like to know the same question as taraleec, is it right you cannot have reconstruction on breast that had rads? as l was told by my oncologost and PS that l was having reconsruction later in the year, but just waiting for BCRA results, as l have discussed with my GS that if l have chance of reacurrence then l will have other boob off and have a double reconstruction, l am lead to believe that l will have Tram Flap now l am confused.

    Could someone help us with information, l would be very gratefull

  • Mykidsmom
    Mykidsmom Member Posts: 1,637
    edited March 2009

    Kyra and Tara - I suggest that you start a new thread under Breast Reconstruction called "Rads and Reconstruction" or something like that. I did not have rads, so I can't help you. But my PS did tell me (when I asked about a friend that wanted to see her), that there are a lot of options for reconstruction post rads. I just don't know what they are. Best wishes.

    Vickie - Here's hoping the year and a half go by and you get back to the states and can do what you feel is the right thing for you. I am sorry you have to wait. Hopefully your aunt's genetic testing comes back soon. Take care. - Jean

  • Estepp
    Estepp Member Posts: 6,416
    edited March 2009

    You CAN have reconstruction on a previously radiated breast. There are a few options. Tram flap.. Lat. flap... etc... please get second opinions. I have seen great boobs afters rads...

    I personally did choose the prophylactic from the get go.. had Expanders put in right away... fully expanded to a C cup in five weeks.. and am doing rads now. So I am doing it a little different. There are ladies here though.. that had rads years ago... cancer came back.. and they did the tram or lat flap years later.. all worked well!

    Keep researching gals!

  • Springtime
    Springtime Member Posts: 5,355
    edited March 2009

    I agree with Laura. Of course you can have reconstruction on previously radiated area !!! Some PS will try with an expander, like Laura says, I have just completed rads with implants (Had one step alloderm). IF the rads cause the implant to fail, I will have DIEP (tummy fat, no muscle) or GAP (butt fat, no muscle. See the Center for Restorative Breast Surgery for before and after pics.

    Spring.

  • Springtime
    Springtime Member Posts: 5,355
    edited March 2009

    And Vicki, I don't blame you for thinking about prophylactic bi-lat!!!! Cancer SUX!!!

  • runalot08
    runalot08 Member Posts: 163
    edited March 2009

    Thank you Springtime.

    I just have a problem with giving up atleast a couple of months of sanity every year with abnormal stuff.  Even If they do not biopsy it I am in for every 3 months diagnostics.  It starts to wear on the psyche and leave a person wondering if it is this year or this time that a biopsy will come back something other than B9.  Literally for 5 years now I have had something every year.  Lets see...2 aspirations, one core biopsy, 2 excisional lumpectomies, and one skin biopsy where they took a  slice of skin around my aerola down about a half cm...don't really know what that was called.  I got to have an MRI this year also also.(well last year Dec29)  If it is a money issue one would think that just doing the dbl mast would be cheaper than my yearly chaos.  It definitely would be easier on the mind once I got use to the loss of the breasts.  I know that the mast is not fail proof but it does give a great deal more assurance. 

    I will wait as I am still having breast issues as it is.  However, come 2010 I will be in the old Dr's office requesting the procedure.  I am hoping to do it before we find something because then I may get to keep my own skin and do implants.  If it comes to having to do it because cancer is found I will most likley not have that choice.  With what is in the family they have not been able to keep their breasts because it was invasive and in multiple areas.  I do not have enough skin for either the tram flap or probably the belly one either as I am a runner. I am not super skinny but small enough that it would not be an option.  I have read that you need a bit of excess skin so for sure the tram would not work.  Is that true or can they do those procedures on any one?

    Oh well thanks for listening (reading) to my long rant.

    Vickie

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