Fear of re-occurence
I finished chemo 3 weeks ago...will be starting radiation next week. I was/am stage III breast cancer. During my mastectomy I had 18 of 23 lymph nodes positive. From everything i read and have heard, i feel my chance for re-occurence is significant. i was told my a radiologist that if it does come back that my prognosis will not be good. So you can imagine i'm scared as hell, and just really want to hear from people who have been where i am and i want to hear good news so that i can be more positive myself.
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Hi Eval,
I have been where you are right now and I know you will hear from many others. I think that time helps to quell the fear a bit but I won't deny that it is still there. I am just about 2 1/2 years out and I live a very full active life. BC is always on my mind but not as constantly as it used to be. When treatment ends I think we feel that we are set adrift - no one watching us anymore -and that was disconcerting for me. Again, the passage of time helps and you end up dealing with the diagnosis and doing what you have to do to ensure long term survival. My Onc is so negative every time I see her that now I just consider it a contest, I am determined to out live her! So I don't have any advice except that these boards were a life saver for me and we get it here. We have been where you are and can tell you that it does get better. And you will have a long full life and be here to tell us about it. Carol
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Hi Eval:
I understand your fear! Hang in there and do not listen to negativity from anyone.... statistics are outdated and many many many women survive cancer free even if they are originally diagnosed with stage 3....
No-one knows the future. Just believe in your treatments and have some faith.
At least that is what I do... I have been told I have a bad prognosis from day one!! It has been almost 5 years now and I am still cancer-free...
Hugs
Wendy A
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Hi....I think as time goes by we need to go on with our lives. I have days when my fears are overwhelming and then I have days where I think I will beat this. I often cry at night before I fall asleep or cry in the middle of the night when I wake up. For me this releases some of the tension. I hate to show my fear around my husband or my sons. They are so worried and my display of fear makes it worse for them. I also have tried to stop talking about my fears to friends. They too are afraid for me and it can make our time together harder for them. If you look through this sight you will see many people who have made it far with a bad prognosis and you will also see those who had a good prognosis who are now dealing with mets. I often read the success stories. As they say more will live than will die. I don't think this sight reflects all of the successes mainly because most of the people on here are newly dx. I think people who go on without recurrence don't come back to the sight to post, I wish they would so we could see the success. I have stopped reading the statistics. So many of them are old and also not very specific to let you know where you stand in the study. As far as what your radiologist said I had conflicting prognosis from my surgeon and my onc. My radiologist didn't say anything. My surgeon was so up beat. He is older and has more experience. My onc is young and goes by the book. He never gave me much of a prognosis...just the general for my stage...which is 3 like you. Keep the faith, live each day as well as you can and find some inner peace.
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Eval
It is certainly rough hearing that you are Stage III. I think the internet can scare the crap out of you with all the medical journals, etc. I swear I read them all.
All I can tell you is that there is tons and tons of hope. I had a huge tumor and 17+ nodes. My oncologist specialized in tough cases and he had many, many women with 19+ nodes that were many years out and doing just fine. I will be five years out this May and doing well.
It will get better.....you will be able to put this behind you....you won't think about it as much as you do today. What you need to do now is keep yourself busy with things that are fun and important to you. Crank up your fight song and do the treatment......and then don't look back.
You will be fine. And in five years you will be the one cheering the newbies on.....promise.
Be well.
Jacqueline
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Jacqueline and ALL,
Thank you so much, that is exactly what i need to hear. MORE MORE...
Just from 4 responses i feel better all ready. I'm 41 and definetly need more time to live.
Thank you all again for sharing your stories with me.
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Hi!
My first post in ages, but needed to lift your spirits.
Just passed my 4 yr. anniversary of "THE call" - Feb. 1, 2005. Just had a PET scan a while ago (mostly because I have pain on Arimidex and they like to rule things out), and all clear. Can't remember if it's in my sig, so I'll repeat - I was IIIc, 11/12 nodes positive
Here we go - 4 more good years up ahead. (and 4 more... and so on).
BTW, I'm still scared. Yup, and I'm going to admit that because you already realize that the "concern," can't just be wiped away. But, it is the truth that time eases tensions. As my cancer counselor said on my first visit - we're here to help you find the management techniques to deal with your fears. I'd say that's 3/4 the battle.
Sending positive thoughts your way.
Leanne
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Eval, I had 25 of 32 cancerous nodes. I'm coming up on my third anniversary with no recurrence. Any statistic you see today refers to women who were diagnosed at least 5 years ago, some 10 years ago. Treatments are constantly changing. You're probably getting better treatment than I got just 3 years ago. Mentally it helped me to know that my oncologist believed I was going to be around for a long time. His confidence in my treatment plan made me more confident, even though I knew nothing was guaranteed.
Good luck with radiation. You'll probably find it's a lot easier than chemo but keep taking care of yourself and getting as much support as you can!
Amy G.
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Hi Eval:
I'll add one more. I recently read my file, where my onc had written "very poor prognosis" after finding a 6 cm tumor and a grossly positive node...AFTER six months of chemotherapy (I'll never know how many nodes, etc were positive before chemo)! My pathology was so aggressive one doc said it gave him the "heebie geebies!"
And yet...here I am, almost four years later, completely healthy and back to my old self. And now, the docs act like it was a given that I would do well.
There are lots of us.
Annaanne
Annaanne
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EVAL
Here are a couple more.....
A friend of mine was diagnosed with a 5cm tumor and all of her nodes were all matted in a ball..filled with cancer. She had her masectomy on Sept 11th 2001 (do you really think the surgeons were paying atttention to her with 9/11 going on?). Anyway she is doing just fine 7 1/2 years later. She is still working as an attorney.
Another woman that saw my oncologist had 18 nodes positive and she is now 20 years out and just fine.
My surgeon told me that he has someone with 33 nodes positive and she is now over 20 years out.
Know that your treatment today is WAY better than what they got then.
I had these people's stories on my bathroom counter for the first year so that each day I could believe I could be just like them. So far so good!!
Fists up!
Jacqueline
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I, too, love these great stories. Most days i am OK, but i do get overwhelmed sometimes with the fear.
I do want to ask - do you think there are any lifestyle choices that have helped you stay NED so long??
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Eval,
My first post.
Jan 2005 I was DX and it wasn't good. Stage III, 6+cm and 2+cm in my nodes (chemo first so I don't know how many nodes). All this and I was 38 yrs old, had 4 children (2,4,7 & 10yrs) and was scared to death they would grow up without me. With family, friends and this website, I made it through chemo, mast surgery and radiation. At the end of it all I was like you, scared of recurrence, looking for some sort of statistic that could tell me my future.
Well I've learned that each day gets easier. It is now 4 yrs since my dx and I am NED and very healthy. Sometimes I think my doctors are surprised to see me so healthy. Instead of worrying about the statistics I can't change, I decided to work on the things I can change. I fight to stay NED. I eat very healthy and try to exercise every day. I have learned that taking care of myself has to be a priority. I'm also teaching my children, friends and family to be as healthy as possible. Besides this, I pray alot, I thank God for every day and have faith that I will be here for my family.
I just had to let you know, we do make it and life though different, will be good even great again!
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I have been having a hard time coming to the boards lately. Too many losses, what is going on.
Annie was diagnosed around the same time as me...trip neg too. Im so scared I cant sleep again. I found this thread and Its so great how wonderful you all are doing and it will give so many hope! I wish I could find more long survivors that are trip neg, but since they didn't know about trip neg until not that long ago I guess there is much out there.
I wish you all the very best and long, long and healthy lives
Teresa
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I know how you feel Eval and others who are scared. Its a really scary business this. I think at the time of dx I was too stunned to take it all in.Even when the onc said that I had 'poor prognosis breast cancer' all I could think about was 'how was I going to beat this thing?' It was later that I realised the severity of the situation. Oh yes there are days when I am scared and days when I am very sad and do cry especially when friends have reoccurrances.
It is over two years for me now. I had 23/24 nodes positive and there was some activity outside the nodes - not good. But I am well and enjoying life despite having some problems with SEs from Femara and with rheumatoid arthritis. Life is different as Faith said but it can be good.
Try to avoid stress, this is one of the things my BS says is so important in order to stay NED. Don't let worry consume you. Focus on the next stage of treatment and then getting yourself back to health. Sometimes talking to someone helps as does knowing that you have people supporting you. I had a wonderful prayer chain that went right round the world so I felt that there was always someone there for me.
Big hugs to all ((((()))))
Alyson
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Hi
I am also very new to this board and I agree with Eval that positive stories are very helpful. I had 4 positive nodes (way too many in my mind!) and the HER2+ status really stresses me out. I try not to read all the negative, poor prognosis stuff on the internet but do it anyway. And it really gets to me on certain days. Any positive stories of Stage III HER2+ women? I would love to see them. I guess testing for HER2 is relatively new so there may not be that many women that are that far out.....Thanks so much!
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Hi Ladies, I was dxed May 05 with 12 out of 14 pos nodes, Her 2 pos, very aggresive tumor.
axillary and sentinel nodes were actually replaced by tumor! blah,blah blah, dismal prognosis to
say the least! I am coming up on 4 years and am doing great NED. LOVE proving my surgeon
wrong.
Anyway, don't pay attention to the stats , they are outdated and non reflective of current tx.
You will resume your lives.
Gid Bless,
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Thanks Linda! It is good to read you are doing well. I am finishing up the radiation. The last 6 months have been crazy. I have to admit that I HATE my current life compared with how it used to be, just normal and healthy. I have small children and am totally focused on beating this thing! Looking forward to losing the fear and anxiety but it seems like a really long road ahead. In any case, thanks for the encouragement.
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My boyfriend's aunt Evelyn had bc in the early 1970s when she was in her 40s. She had a large lump and lots of positive nodes. The only treatment Evelyn received was a mastectomy...no chemo, no radiation, no Tamoxifen or AIs. She made no drastic changes to her life; she didn't become an exercise junkie, and she regularly eats at Denny's. Evelyn is now in her early 80s and never had a recurrence. In fact, she's pretty spry for a lady her age!
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I know so many women with stage III breast cancer who are doing well. I am 7 years out and so is one of my breast cancer group friends; in fact she is 9 years out. Treatments are excellent and statistics are just statistics. Most stats are outdated and many women who are doing well aren't even counted in the statistics. The only time I think about breast cancer is when i have my follow up appointments with the oncologist. (that took me a few years to feel really comfortable as a survivor..i was scared for a couple of years after treatment..etc.) It rocks your world but with faith, taking one day at a time...before you know it...you are hitting anniversaries NED. Just remember, these days there are all kinds of available treatments; my motto is to not worry about it until I have something to worry about. Then, I will deal with it when it happens..if it happens..and beat it again. Hang in there. I was 49 when diagnosed and now i am an older middle aged woman at 56. Time flies. hah** Take care
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I'm 2 years out from dx. Her2 positive and had an aggressive (Ki67=70%) tumor.
I was Stage III locally advanced (positive Inframammary node), and when I asked my Onc about my prognosis, he said I think you are a "Cure". It sounded good to me!
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Someone posted this article somewhere else with encouraging stats. And it is still 3 years old!
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Hi,
I was stage 3A, 4/9 nodes. Two nodes were each 1 cm each. HER2 3+.
I just celebrate 4 years out dancing with NED.
Wendy
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HI Eval I am so close to where you are in diagnosis and treatment I am stage three c,19 out of 23 positive lymph nodes,large tumor, have 4 more chemo treatments and will be starting radiation well. have 2 children and am married and I have a lot of faith and am very positive most of the time. But I too am scared of reacurrance as it does seem like it happens here and there. I finally just asked my onchologist about my prognosis. I never had the nerve to hear it until now. My onchologist said with each treatment it gets better and to just keep doing what Im doing. You know there is only so much we can do about it eat right,exercise listen to our doctors and have faith. I feel it's all in Gods hands now. Be strong and know that we are all here for each other.
Hugs Teresa
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Hi everyone. I have gotten such a better outlook from all of you. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I will stay on this board and post my progress and hope that i can help someone else later down the road... and i will continue to read and add comments to other threads
Thank you all again, and keep the positive coming.
Eva
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Helena 67:
I'm strongly Her positive, and er/pr neg (stage 3a). My doc keeps telling me what amazing results she's seeing from herceptin.
Annannne
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THANKS ALL for the uplifting stories. That is my goal for the coming year, staying healthy and getting my confidence back (somewhat). Well, I will try. The risk for recurrence seems to be greatest during the first 2-3 years or so. Never thought I would wish for myself to be 5 years out (&older) instantly!
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Helena67 - I noticed you posted earlier about being HER2+. When we first saw my Onc she mistakenly told me I was too (she misread her notes) and I was stressed too - my husband came across this encouraging story - the woman was told by her Onc that Herceptin gave her a great therapeutic opportunity.
http://yourtotalhealth.ivillage.com/breast-cancer-survivors-funny-strength
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I was like KerryMac...at first they thought I was HER+ but after fish...no. My sister who is an administrator of a hosipital...and had talked to the oncs there...was disappointed when I was negative. She said HER+ is bad but with herceptin these people have a better chance than us who can't have it.....It is a very effective treatment for most people.
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Helena....it is now GOOD to be Her2+. Because of the Herceptin. Both my oncs have said the same thing. Years ago it was not such a good thing. At the beginning I was scared because you read all the negative stuff about Her2 disease but that was all BEFORE Herceptin....
Hang in there! You got the biggest gun on your side with the Herceptin!
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Thanks again. I hope it works and also that the 1 year will be enough. Well, I really hope for everyone that their treatments will work just fine. Wish with all my heart that they just find a cure for this thing once and for all. Wish wish wish....
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Thank you ladies for your stories, I am so happy and thankful that I found this group. I feel so encouraged and empowered now. I pray for you all..God Bless
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