chest tightness after mast/ bad scar

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margeb
margeb Member Posts: 9

I just signed on as a new member after reading your posts in the forum for awhile.  I was diagnosed with DCIS, zero stage, intermediate to high nuclear grade in October.  I had 2 sterotactic core biopsies which indicated more than one area of DCIS and a right mast was performed in January. It is just a month, have been off pain medications since the second day post op but I am still feeling chest tightness and have a bad scar with pockets of sagging skin and as the day wears on progressive pain.  After speaking with a number of reconstructive surgeons, I decided not to have reconstruction. Had I been younger, I might have decided otherwise. I am wondering if anyone has experienced this extreme chest tightness; I feel like my skin was sewn up too tight.  Also, the scar is not the straight line I was expecting, but has cross fissures besides the sags.  For those of you that did not elect to have reconstruction, is this typical?  How much can I expect the scar to change over time?  I am so glad I found all of you.

Marge

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  • babyc
    babyc Member Posts: 58
    edited February 2009

    Hi!  I'm three months away from bilateral mastectomy, no plans for reconstruction.  Some refer to the tightness as "iron bra" syndrome, especially for those who went through reconstruction during surgey.   Even now, I experience this feeling--- less and less painful, but still very tight, uncomfortable sensation  Scar on left nice straight line (but with a puffed area at its end); my right one sounds very similar to what you are describing.  My surgeon's favorite line was it takes time.... Near my arm-pits I have slight "dog-ear" skin effect.  From what I have read on this site and heard from some ladies who have come before, these are not unusual.  On weekly basis, I see slight visible changes.  I'm half-way through chemo.  When finished, I plan to go to surgeon and have her evaluate the situation to see what additional changes to expect.  (The puffed area is my concern--- she says it is not a seroma; my concern: did she leave something that should not have been left.  My oncologist says no.  Again.... the "in-time-thing".  If you are truly concerned, go see your surgeon now!!!!! 

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited February 2009

    I am 2 months out from a bilat with no desire for recon. My right (non-cancer) side is pretty clean but has a tiny, tiny volcano at the underarm end.

    My left side is quite poochy and it was my cancer side! I was worried about too much breast tissue being left behind but my surgeon isn't concerned. It is enough to give a bump under clothes, though and I want it fixed. He is going to do an incision revision (sounds like Dr. Seuss is going to do it!) when I ask. I am just waiting to see if it goes down any more.

    VERY tight even though my husband has massaged cream into it every night since my steri strips came off. I feel like there isn't enough skin to stretch across. I had weird ripples along the incision line, too. But as I had stretch marks, I blamed it on those weaker skin areas. Now it hardly shows at all as the skin is tightening. I had the bulge aspirated once in a walk-in clinic as it was hard and getting painful. Now it is smooshy and I want it gone!

  • Mouser
    Mouser Member Posts: 245
    edited February 2009

    Hi --

    My short answer to tightness is: physical therapy. Specifically, myofascial release. If at all possible -- go for it! 

    I had a left-sided mastectomy 8/08, decided against reconstruction for a lot of reasons, including that i'm so tired of surgery (lumpectomy, pelvic floor repair, hernia surgery, plus the mastectomy, all in 15 months). Also, even DIEP doesn't give back sensation... I didn't have chemo, but had rads after the lumpectomy in '07 (the mastectomy was because ADH that showed up when my clinic switched to digital mammograms). So my skin is definitely damaged.

    As soon as i knew i was headed for a mastectomy, i asked for a prescrption for physical therapy (it had been really, really helpful after pelvic floor surgery). It's been a godsend! My therapist specializes in pelvic floor and breast problems - does a lot of work with women who've had breast cancer. She says both rads and surgery leave the skin ready to 'stick' to underlying tissue (in the abdomen, tissues sticking together gives adhesions; apparently this is similar). She's been working on me weekly since early November and i feel great, physically. (Adjusting psychologically will take longer...)

    The process of freeing skin from the underlying tissues is called myofascial release (and it hurts! I'm usually sore all day.) But my skin moves now, the cordinng in the axilla is almost gone, and i have full range of motion with my left arm. I had dry skin on the ex-breast at one point, in late fall or early winter -- my therapist said it was due to poor ciculation because of the adhesions, and it seems she was right, because as my skin loosened, it stopped being so dry - even tho it's been a cold winter.

    The "bad" news is that my PT is actually pleased to see wrinkles around the scar -- says it is means the skin is loose and moveable. And she says i'm lucky to have enough skin over the ex-breast for wrinkles -- some surgeons take too much off, and it can make motion painful. That "extra" skin is not really extra, it just looks wrinkly when my arm is down (like my knee when my leg is straight). So i guess i won't be seeing a plastic surgeon about scar revision ... the volcano where the SNB was is probably also worth keeping, since it does disappear when i stretch my arm above my head. (Why does all this bother me when i'm not interested in reconstruction? But it does.)

    Anyway -- even if it's been years -- PT can probably help. My therapist says she's worked with women 3 years out from rads, and it's slower, but it still helps. The adhesions can really mess up your shoulder, too, she says.  

    Finally: be sure you go to a therapist who does myofascial release -- this is not something that resolves with exercises. 

    hugs!! 

  • roseg
    roseg Member Posts: 3,133
    edited February 2009

    I like this site for post-surgery rehab.

    www.stayingabreast.com

    They have a phased program.

  • NancyD
    NancyD Member Posts: 3,562
    edited February 2009

    I agree with mouser that PT can be a godsend to help with this tightness. I got a prescription from my rad onc's office and a recommendation for a very good PT department at a hospital near my office. I've been going once a week for a little over a month now and the tightness has slowly been dissolving as we work on stretching the muscles and breaking the adhesions.



    I've had two different therapists (first one left after a month to join her fiancé in England). They were both good, but I think I like the technique of the second one better. She seems more involved in working on me physically, massaging the areas that are tight. Plus, she's given me some great exercises to do, adding one a week building on the strengh that has been created.



    The scars sound like your surgeon did a skin-sparring mx. The extra skin can be removed and the area left smoother if you decide definitely not to reconstruct. I would give it at least 6 mos - a year from surgery to see how it settles.



  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited February 2009

    I would also suggest PT. I had myofascial release after bilateral mastectomy and it really helped ease the tightness.

    Mouser,

    I really relate to your comment. I didn't have recon. My left side healed beautifully, but on my right side (where I'd had previous lumpectomy and rads), there's a small area where there's still fluid after two years. It's located at the spot where I received my radiation boost, so I'm pretty sure the prior radiation has messed up the healing. I'm also pretty sure that it will never look perfectly smooth and flat like the other side in that one small area. As the fluid is thickening and diminishing, I'm left with a raised area. Like you, I chose no recon and am not bothered by no breasts, yet this small glitch on the right side really bothers me. I try to remind myself that no one will see it (other than DH) and as long as it doesn't become cancerous, I should be happy. But I guess I'm vain in my own weird way . . . 

  • margeb
    margeb Member Posts: 9
    edited February 2009

    Thank you, all of you.  I think that myofascial release may be the answer.  I've noticed that the scar area on the inner breast or rather inner chest area is loosening up a bit.  Mt doctor's nurse practicioner told me to wait awhile longer.  I've also had this strange occurrence with my right hand being, at times, much colder than my left hand.  Also, my arm hurts when this occurs although there is no swelling. She said it may be the nerve and it will probably regenerate with time.  I've had other surgeries where the nerve has been compromised and did, in fact, return to normal after some time. She also said to wait to see how the scar changes within the next few months.  I am to see my surgeon in Oct when I have a mamogram.  Besides the scar, I know just how very fortunate I am.  I do not have to see an oncologist and I need no further treatment.  I just don't like the scar; I have always been very conscious about my body.  I am 64 and still wear a size 2.  I am too thin to have reconstruction using my own tissue, and I feel too old to electively undergo the long surgery even if I did have enough fat.  Both reconstructive surgeons told me that because of my body type, saline implants would wrinkle and because I am allergic to so much, I wouldn't take a chance with silicone.  Also, I did not like the idea of so many surgeries and followup MRIs. I'm waiting for someone to come up with growing me another breast, although someone pointed out to me that a new breast  still wouldn't match my old breast :-)  I find myself molding light fluffies; the silicone prosthesis is still too heavy to wear, feels as though my chest is going to pull off with my bra.  This all takes some getting used to.  

  • 2Hands4me
    2Hands4me Member Posts: 484
    edited February 2009

    Mouser - my surgeon told me there may be a flap of extra skin under my arm after surgery. He said it is not breast tissue but a normal fold of skin (fat?) that doesn't show when the breast is there and pulling on it. I can't see why he couldn't take it out along with the breast tissue, but he says it would take an incision clear around to the spine. Must be some anatomical issue with the surgery technique. Anyway, I do have the flap of skin and it is not fluid and not sore unless I get it positioned over my bra! As long as I make sure it's inside my bra, it feels fine, just looks different when I'm not dressed! I'm so glad he told me, or I would be concerned also!

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited February 2009

    margeb,

    I hope the silicone prosthesis (breast form) you have becomes easier to wear comfortably as you heal. If not, there are many lightweight silicone forms available these days. Some are even ultra-light. I can't take much weight, so have made it my mission to find forms that look good but are also comfortable. You should be able to find something that both feels good and matches your healthy breast. The Breast Forms section of my non-profit website, BreastFree.org, offers some recommendations for breast forms with comfort features that many women seem to like.

    Barbara

  • motivatek
    motivatek Member Posts: 9
    edited March 2009

    I just wanted to know if anyone has experienced back pain after DIEP procedure. I have been drinking water. I take walks but in the afternoon my back is in pain. I take either Tylenol or Advil and if it is really bad take my pain medication. I just wanted to know if this will go away. I have been lucky not to ever have back pain. This is a nuisance.

  • Jackie1216
    Jackie1216 Member Posts: 1
    edited January 2011

    Hi Marge,

    I'm 60 and am a 2 time breast cancer within 5 yrs.  In June of '05 I had a lumpectomy, left breast, chemo and radiation. I was put on Arimidex. 5% recurrence rate.  I was in the 5%.  In June of '09 my cancer returned, same breast.  So much for Arimidex.  I had a mastectomy and although the pain was well controlled, I've had tightness ever since.  It's as though there isn't enough skin there.  I thought it would go away, I have full motion of my left arm, but am still suffering from the tight feeling.  I have to put a pillow against it every night.  I'm wondering if there is a way the incision could be reopened and sewed again so it's looser.  I also do not have a straight incision and a puffy spot left over.  I didn't have reconstruction, not sure whether I'm sorry or not.  I just wanted you to know that others have the same.  I wish everyone good health and happiness.

    Jackie

  • Lovegolf
    Lovegolf Member Posts: 513
    edited February 2011

    I had iron bra feeling too. I had cream/paste compounded from a Rx that helped. It goes right to the nerve pain without making you sleepy, drugged etc. I also found yoga to help. Many hospitals have fitness centers. I found they have free yoga classes for cancer patients. I also had "dog ear" extra skin taken up later by PS.

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