lumpectomy with rads versus a mastectomy?

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aris Member Posts: 124

I am agonizing over this decision. Should I do a lumpectomy with radiation or a bilateral mastectomy with reconstruction?

 I am a newly diagnosed IDC 1.7cm ER+/PR+, HER2 ++. I'm 44 years old and my mother was also 44 when she was diagnosed many many years ago. I just had an mri yesterday and did the brca gene testing last week (results should be back in 10 days now).

 I am told I'm a candidate for bct (lumpectomy with rads) because of the assumed smallish size of the tumor. But I can't decide. I am leaning towards a bilat mastectomy with diep reconstruction.

I'd love to hear any advice any of you have. Any thoughts, postive experiences, negative experiences, regrets, etc.

 I am finding this decision to be so so difficult and although I'm being assured the survival rate is the same, I am still leaning towards a much more invasive surgery for treatment.

Help!

Pam

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  • Dejaboo
    Dejaboo Member Posts: 2,916
    edited February 2009

    Wow, another Pam.  Lots of Pams here. Undecided

    Sorry you had to join us, but this is a great place for support.

    I choose a BLM because it was the best for me & my peace of mind.  And I wanted to Avoid Radiation on my left Side.  I also wanted to reduce my risk of a new Cancer on my Good Side.

    I had a Bad Implant reconstruction & will have to have that redone (But I do not regret having the BLM still)  I wanted a DIEP but did not have enough Tummy for 2 Cs.  Although I can sure grab 2 Cs worth from my stomach.  LOL

    Implants on Avg are said to last 10-15 years.   So one may need to have them replaced at sometime in the future.

    I would start a list with Reasons why & why Not to have a BLM.

    It is a very hard decision to make.  Only you can make the right decision for you.

    Ask lots of questions here & with your Drs too.

    Pam

  • kamico3
    kamico3 Member Posts: 90
    edited February 2009

    I, too, was assured that the survival rates were the same, so I chose the lumpectomy with radiation. I had always said that if I ever got breast cancer, I would immediately opt for a mastectomy, but I found that when it actually happened, I wasn't so sure. It was hard for me to choose to lose a body part if I didn't have to. I asked my surgeon at Mass General what she would do if it were her, and she said she would have the lumpectomy with radiation. All of those things combined, plus the longer recovery period for the mastectomy, led me to go with the lumpectomy.  I am at the point now where I only have 3 more radiation treatments (out of 32) to go. The radiation really hasn't been bad at all, very easy to get through. 

     It is a hard decision to make, and you have to do what feels right to you. Once you make the decision, you will probably feel more at peace and hopefully won't second-guess yourself too much. I sometimes wonder if I made the right decision, but I know I would wonder that if I had decided on the mastectomy, too. 

  • elisabeth
    elisabeth Member Posts: 255
    edited February 2009

    Hi Pam.  I would discuss your options with a couple of your doctors and see benefit the mas versus lumpectomy and rads are.  The choice really should be based on that.  Like Kamico I chose lumpectomy and rads because the mas would only benefit me by at most 1.5%.  However, my diagnosis is similar to kamico3, yours is not.  You would also want to talk about what kind of treatment you would get following either choice.  And, again like kamico3, I would ask the doctor if it were a she what she would do if she was you or if it is a male doctor what do you think his wife would do or he would suggest for his wife.  I would also urge them to answer honestly.

     If I am reading your post correctly you are also HER2 +.  Ask how that influences your treatment decision.  Have the doctors discussed all types of treatments and risks and benefits?

    I wish I could help you more and I wish you all of the best.  Some women have no trouble do a mas, but for me it would be an incredibly hard decision also.  I try to imagine what I would feel like if I had a part of my body removed and have a very hard time with what I feel.  My friend, however, just had a double mas and she is doing very well.

  • BonnieKJG
    BonnieKJG Member Posts: 7
    edited February 2009

    Hi Pam - I experienced similar feelings when I was first diagnosed.  I think I was actually more distressed over the decision of "what to do" than the diagnosis; or perhaps I was too stunned!

    Here's what I did - I did research on-line so I felt I could know as much as possible about each option; talked with my doctors - including a plastic surgeon and a second opinion, and my friends and family.  In the end, I opted for a lumpectomy plus rads. I felt much better when the decision was made.

    Part of my decision was that I wanted to be as physically strong as possible if I needed to do chemo; I know from having a c-section many years ago that I don't respond well to pain and surgeries!

    My surgery was just last Friday. As it turns out, I will be facing chemo because of the node involvment.  So I continue to feel good about my decision - I will be able to start chemo feeling stronger physically.

    I agree with the other folks who replied - it is your decision and your body. As you get more information from the BRCA test; you may have more knowledge to help you make your decision.

    Good luck - I wish you strength and healing!

    Bonnie

  • Bethie1
    Bethie1 Member Posts: 393
    edited February 2009

    Hi Pam!!!  I agree getting a list of pros and cons down for each procedure is good, along with the advice the doctors give for each procedure. I was a candidate for a lumpectomy with rads, then the surgeon saw more when she opened me up and had to do a mastectomy.  Deep down you have to do what you feel comfortable doing.  Noone can make you comfortable in this situation.  Pray about it, ask questions, get a checklist of symptoms/side effects of each procedure, then you'll see what you'll b able to live with. 

  • Alyad
    Alyad Member Posts: 817
    edited February 2009

    I had a similar decision to make. they wanted to do the test for BRCA gene but my insurance wouldn't pay for it. I had some family history. For me the deciding factor  was the location of the tumor- I would have lost my nipple with a lumpectomy and I felt like what was left wouldn't be  very esthetically pleasing especially after radiation. So I felt like I'd end up needing some reconstruction anyway and I wanted just to have surgery once and get it over with, so I choose to have a masectomy with immediate Free TRAM flap reconstruction.

    Hoping to avoid radiation was one of the factors as well, but I had a positive node, so I might be looking at some radiation anyway. For those who have a lumpectomy and then positive nodes are found, you're having radiation anyway , so there is that to consider. had I been able to keep my nipple I would have gone with the lumpectomy. but having a masectomy might give you more piece of mind.

    Sorry you are having to make such a decision, don't rush into it. making a list is good and all the other things Bethie said.

  • GryffinSong
    GryffinSong Member Posts: 439
    edited February 2009

    My surgeon said that although the survival rates were the same, the recurrance rate would be higher with a lumpectomy/rads. As it happens, I had three nodes involved, so for my peace of mind, I'm glad I chose to have both of mine removed.

    It is a very personal decision. Part of my decision was not want radiation if possible.

    Best of luck to you, and I'm sure you'll get to a point where you know what's right for you. :)

  • C130sunshine
    C130sunshine Member Posts: 174
    edited February 2009

    Pam,

    My tumor was 1.1 cm.  I choose to have the lumpectomy (4 nodes removed) with radiation.  I am BRAC neg.  plus I have a high oncotype.  I told my surgeon that I wanted a lumpectomy, but I gave him permission that when opened the breast if it looked bad he could take them both.

    I had my surgeon put a consult in before surgery so I could talk with the radiologist and oncologist.  This way I could ask specific questions.  It really helped me make my decision.

    Both procedures carries risk.  Yes, there is more of a risk of recurrence with the lumpectomy, but there is still a risk of recurrence with a mastectomy.   What I thought was interesting is that the lumpectomy is considered a more conservative treatment.   

    One thing I have learned is that anything dealing with BC is a numbers game.  You need to do what makes you feel most comfortable.....remember this is your body we are talking about

    Best of luck!!!!!

  • Deb-from-Ohio
    Deb-from-Ohio Member Posts: 1,140
    edited February 2009

    I'm still going through Chemo, but after talking to my surgeon, who will do my lumpectomy and all when the chemo is over with, I have decided on a lumpectomy. She tells me that my risk of recurrance is the same with a mastectomy or a lumpectomy, .. My oncologist tells me that usually when it does come back, more often it's not in the breasts but in other parts of the body...

    I think alot of women who don't really medically require a mastectomy feel it gives them piece of mind........to me , that's just too drastic, it requires future surgeries to replace implants also. Not to mention I talked to a  young girl the other day at chemo who really bout made me cry. This girl had went through chemo, had gotten a mastectomy, reconstruction and was thrilled about that also, said her surgeon was awesome, had been on Tamoxifen for two years and it came back in her chest bone. So she has to go through the whole spiel all over again.........Just felt so bad for her..she said the same thing, she had gotten the mastectomy because she felt it wouldn't come back that way...I had  tears in my eyes while she was telling me this.

    But everyone has to make their own decision, of course talking with your oncologist and surgeon should be included in your decision.

    Deb

  • camazur
    camazur Member Posts: 70
    edited February 2009

    I had a lumpectomy in Dec. 2007 and cancer was back 14 months later in the same breast.  I had second guessed that decision and now I'm opting for a double mast, no recon.  Part of my decision is based on the fact I may not have insurance later should it come back.  As I'm learning reading these posts there are no guarantees.  I could still have it come back.  Aah, its just a crapshoot, I guess.  We make the best decisions we can and live with it.  If we're lucky.

    Maz 

  • bluedasher
    bluedasher Member Posts: 1,203
    edited February 2009

    This decision was hard for me also. I decided to do the lumpectomy and radiation. By the way, going into the decision, it appearred that my tumor might be as large as 3.5 cm so I was tentatively Stage IIa. When they removed the lump, part of it was a benign cyst and part was DCIS; the IDC was less than 1 cm making me stage Ib. 

    From what I have read and what my oncologist told me, the probability of recurrence is the same for lumpectomy plus radiation vs mastectomy. What I read said that the earlier studies showing a small advantage for mastectomy included women who got a lumpectomy without radiation. Once they only look at women who had both lumpectomy and radiation, they do as well as those with mastectomy.

    One of the factors for me was that they can reconstruct the breast cosmetically so it looks fine but it won't have sensation. I didn't want to lose that when there was no survival advantage.

    Also, I'm large busted, DD. The lump could be taken out without making a significant change in the size of my breast. On the other hand, if I had a mastectomy and reconstruction it wouldn't be practical to reconstruct to a DD. And if I didn't get reconstruction, being that unbalanced would be likely to lead to back problems. So even if I didn't go for a double mastectomy, I would have to have surgery on both sides to have a reduction on the non-cancer side to match things up.

    That was way more surgery than I wanted to have even without reconstruction. I'm pretty sure that if I did ever need a mastectomy I would not do reconstruction.

    I'm almost done with chemo and will have radiation soon. I'm not looking forward to that, but I'd rather go through that than more surgery.

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