Starting chemo January 2009?
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KMMD....you did cut the steroids in half for the second treatment????? That's what I am hoping to do next week. How did you reduce the dose? I take 2 dexamethasone 4mg in am and pm day before ....day of and day after? Is this the same as you? Did you just take one pill at each time? Are you less jittery? I am very curious to hear your results....how about the nausea???
Same here on the hair...achy scalp and strands...no clumps today but afraid to wash it....I have a work thing tomorrow and want it all intack.....eecckkks! What to do? Going to buzz it Friday, I can't take the anticipation and ready to ge on with the new look....whether its my wig or my hats or scarves.....I'm just ready ad tired of waiting for yet one more thing!!!
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Once again, I'm totally amazed at how my emotions are so similar to those who are in the same place as me re: treatment.
I threw a huge pity party for myself last night (this is not to imply that anyone here is pity-partying, but it goes along with the depression I think we are all feeling). I caught site of myself in the mirror (small reconstructed breasts, crew cut scalp, etc) and all of my strength just left me. I haven't sobbed like that since I've been diagnosed. In a way I think it was good for me...I haven't really been processing anything. Just bearing down and getting through it. I feel better this morning, although very drained from the emotional outburst.
Hubby was supportive as usual...but I don't understand why people in my life won't just admit how bad this all sucks?! Anytime I bring that up whomever I'm speaking to launches into the cliches Be positive! You'll get through it! You have to be strong! Um...I couldn't be more positive, I AM getting through it and I have found strength in me that I never knew was there. But it still sucks. I don't go there very often but when I do it would be so refreshing to have the person I'm bleeding to just say "You're right, this f&cking sucks."
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Alo, in half, yes we did--for the follow up doses. Still took 12 mg IV at time of infusion. Then cut the 4 mg tabs in 1/2. Instead of 4 mg twice a day for two days, then once a day for 2 days after chemo, this time it was 2 mg twice a day for two days, then once a day for 2 days. Much less jittery, and less of a "crash." I had no difference in nausea. As a matter of fact, I took less compazine afterwards this time then last time.
39: I do understand. Sometimes by telling you only positive things, or saying "just stay positive" its like people are negating the seriosness of the illness or the pain you're feeling. I know it will make me stronger, better, etc. but to have othes say it somehow makes you feel like "what, I wasn't a strong good person before?" I think it makes them feel better and helps distance them from it, or they just don't know what else to say.
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One interesting thing I saw on tv....it was a show for some new "Suopermodel" reality show...not even sure what channel.....but this girl, young and georgous said "I want this so bad I would shave my head".......of course she was about 21 and drop dead cute.....she would look awesome with a shaved head.....it put the hair thing into perspective. I want to be done with this so bad and I have to shave my head......so I guess I will shave my head...and hopefully I will look as pretty as she would with a shaved head!!!! It was just the commercial I needed to see yesterday.
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I just finished my first shower since the hair started falling out and it was not bad at all. I was more interested than depressed over how clumps came out if I pulled. There is alot of hair to go so pulled out a bit is not that scary...yet. But I spent some time working on the worlds most painless braxilian sans wax. Not quite all gone but that part was rather fun since I have gotten a brazilian wax a few times as a treat for DH (That was my wedding night suprize for him. Having lived together since we were engaged a year earlier I wanted some thing new for that special night) and it has always been a bit painful and embarrasing to do. I wish I could just pull the hair out of my legs as well but it is just to short. Maybe I will wax it in a few days and get the most benefit out of this damn hair loss thing. I think it was a special gift yesterday when I met that young woman going bald proudly. I am keeping that image of her beautiful and peaceful face with me. I think she had ovarian cancer so she his facing a much harder battle I believe and doing it with a great deal of grace. There was also a young woman there dealing with brain cancer. She was not doing chemo, just waiting to see if the surgury would be enough. It helps me keep things in perspective when I meet all these woman dealing with much harder diagnosis than I am and at a younger age.
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i know people keep saying "be strong, stay positive" but i AM strong to go through this, but sometimes i just need to cry then when you do they treat you like you do something wrong and tell you not to do that.
this just sucks.....
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jrgolomb. I'm with you. My hair hasn't fallin out yet but itches like crazy. I went to this salon that works with cancer patients. A wonderful lady. She couldn't bear to shave my head, so she gave me a pixie cut. Hate it but it will be gone soon. I ordered a wig from my hairdresser and she trimmed it and put it on my head. I love the style (pretty much how I wear my own hair) but I think it looks fake. My husband and daughters like it. I guess I just have to get used to it. I just wear it when I go out. When I'm at home I don't care. My husband still thinks I'm beautiful. My older daughter also had her hair cut really short. It is so cute, but she wears her wig that she ordered. I am also going for #2 Fri. I have been feeling so good and I dread feeling so bad again this weekend. Its the nuesta that i can't stand. I can't move for a couple of days. I have 4 trmts with this chemo, then I have 3 weeks off (yeah!) then 3 treatments of taxotere, then I will have a mastectomy sometime in May. It can't be June. Have too many commitments! After surgery I will have radiation for 5wks, Mon-Fri twice a day. That will not be fun. Had radiation yrs ago. It just zaps your energy. I don't know what will happen after radiation. Hopefully reconstruction. Take care. Sounds like you have a lot of support. I also have people from church and friends, family and GOD to get me through this and I have been keeping my spirits up. Haven't been depressed in days.
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I try not to say b**** out loud when I pass that teacher's classroom, but I might when no one's around. DD is going to tutorials and working harder to bring up the 0 - it was on her progress report. I think things may come around quickly for this teacher - parents are griping to the principal about many things. She passed out test papers and told the whole class " and some students made a 7" as she put the test on a girls desk. The girl started crying - I think retirement should come soon!
On a good work note - I had been worried about my paycheck since I'm half day for the next 3 months and our local college offered free dual credit to students for my class. I will get a paycheck from them that will pretty much make up the difference. YES!!!!!!!
Also our FCCLA group has 2 breast cancer projects since there are 2 of us with the dreaded "BC". I was the 1st recipient of their Pass the Plate project. Kitchen Aid donates $5.00 every time a meal is given and the plate is registered with Kitchen Aid. Very cool - they made a wonderful Chicken Francaise.
I hope everyone is doing well! I feel pretty much my normal self right now. My hair started coming out yesterday though.
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Berkleykim, Renel, Misty, brendafromflorida, kmmd, rsben70 bobcat - Its reassuring to hear that others are feeling the same emotions. I will take the suggestions to sing along with the radio, focusing on family and friends and not allowing myself to dwell in this depression for too long. Not productive at all. I think I also have to not have so high expectations of myself. I know what you mean about people saying to stay postitive and "you're so strong". I feel like I have to live up to that and not be down. This discussion board has been a great place to vent since everyone understands exactly what you're going thru.
For those of you losing your hair, after the initial "trauma" it gets better. For me, it was just a nuisance to have hair falling out all over the place. Eventually I just shaved it all off and it has been great. Its kind of nice not having to shave my legs, shampoo my hair or fuss with my hair in the morning. My scalp had sore spots also but it eventually went away. I wear a wig (which I love) when I go out and to work and a bandana at home. Not quite brave enough to go bald. Kudos to those of you who are "embracing the bald"!
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Renrel - I'm laughing at your painless brazillion. My DH has always half jokingly asked me to get one of those and I've never had the nerve. I've told him he was going to get his wish, but I don't think this is exactly what he's always hoped for.
I'm feeling good today, but I'm certainly with some of you on the depression. I spent a good part of last Friday morning crying about the weirdest things - some of the posts on here got to me. I was just so tired and feeling pretty hopeless. Next time that happens I'm just going to go with it because it does seem to pass and I do find many things to be thankful for.
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Hi everyone: Had a great weekend. My daughter came from Texas. Two sisters and two nieces from Boston. Had small baby shower for daughter. I felt GREAT all weekend. Was so grateful. After 2nd treatment SEs seemed to take longer to hit, but were worse and lasted longer. I was miserable on Thurs. which was day 7 after treatment so I really thought my weekend was going to be horrible but Friday I felt fine. Even able to go out to dinner Fri. night.
I have been able to work everyday this week. Of course, 3rd treatment is tomorrow p.m. and I am dreading it. Really don't want to do it.
SALLY - I was given antibotic to take after second treatment. Ended up in the hospital for 4 days with fever after first treatment so dr. gave me antibotic as preventive measure. Guess it helped...no fever after 2nd treatment. Not sure if he will give me them again after third treatment.
DIANE - Can not believe you have not lost hair. Maybe you are going to be one of the FEW who don't lose it. I have heard that for some it just gets thinner. I do know what you mean about worrying that it means the chermo is not working though. I have felt so good these last few days that I was wondering the same thing.
My skin in drying out really bad. It has been cold here so I am sure that does not help, but this is a different kind of dry. My face is also breaking out with weird spots. Not acne more like red welts. They are hard to cover with makeup. I also have a red pimply rash on my upper chest and my belly. I am going to ask about it tomorrow when I see dr.
I have had the neulasta shot after both treatment and I am not sure how much of my SEs are from that and not the chemo but the way i see it who really cares. I was not given the impression from my dr that the neulasta was an option.
kt57: Yes. it is going to be the best May ever!!! I too was really glad to see Feb. come. Seems like time is passing quickly since dx but also feels like I have been dealing with this FOREVER. I was told at the beginning by several different people that it would take a year before lilfe would seem normal again.
I have come to grips with my bald head. I can look in the mirror now without crying. Actually went to my hairdress on Monday to have her cut my wig and halo and bared my bald head in public!!! My hairdresser told me I have a great head and look beautiful bald..How sweet of her. She said he has seen some really ugle bald people who come in to have head shaved just because they want to and she does not understand them but thinks I could pull off bald if really wanted to...I am not quite there yet.
Hang in there. Will let you know how treatment 3 goes. Will be thinking of others who I know are going tomorrow also. God Bless. Patti
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patti, it gives me hope that you're embracing The Bald. i feel so much better now that i found a wonderful, warm & knowledgable wig specialist - and the perfect wig (and two cute beanies & two lovely scarves). i feel ready now. i bet you can pull off The Bald. i'm hoping for the natalie portman look in "v for vendetta" ... but i don't have her graceful swan neck. alas.
lol @ renrel's "the worlds most painless braxilian sans wax" ... hee!
i'm there too right alongside you, shockedat39, with the depression. cried myself sick last saturday. more than i have since this whole shitty thing started. but then i had a great sunday with my visiting-from-VA sister and 19-mo goddaughter (wee ones = my favorite antidepressants!) ... lucked out with my wig angel on monday ... got the port installed monday night relatively unscathed ... realized that this is it, it's "real" now ... and here i am, done with my first AC treatment. so far so good. (eeep. hope i haven't jinxed it!)
anyone have any protein suggestions? i'm not a huge fan of chicken. i can do eggs, peanut butter, cheese, yogurt, nuts, but i'm also trying to go a little bland to start - don't want to get blocked up. does anyone have any favorite protein shakes - storebought or homemade? and also hard candies ... i'm not a hard candy person, but i think it'll help with the icky taste. (not that it's that bad yet.) i bought some crystallized ginger, but i'm saving those for possible nausea attacks on-the-go.
soothing hugs & feel good vibes for (((everyone))).
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Hi Lisa... I have a bunch of those store-bought Boost protein shakes in chocolate and strawberry.. they're not bad.
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Lisa - I buy protein drinks at Costco. 30 grams of protein, 1 gram of sugar. They only come in chocolate and they are not bad!
I also buy mixes of almonds/dried cranberries at costco (10 single serves per bag) at Trader Joe's. Sunflower seeds are another quick source of protein. When I'm in the throws of bad chemo days, I eat tortillas with refried beans and scrambled eggs....I add in avocado too. Nice easy meal with lots of protein!
Another thing I do is make smoothies. Milk, yogurt, whey protein with lots of fruit and honey to sweeten it. I stary with plain yogurt so there is not so much sugar!
good luck!
Lisa
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Hi all:
Well, was pretty wrecked today, but did some work at my computer. Still putting off teaching...can't get the paperwork together. How do you all do it?? Just driving to work takes major concentration and energy. Tossed and turned last night, so I'll take Ativan tonight to get some good zzzzzzs. Have blood count test tomorrow and Neupogen shot.
For protein shakes, I've just been adding a scoop of whey protein to my yogurt smoothies, and also eating almonds that I've baked (been told not to eat raw nuts). Whey protein is supposed to help immune system too. Pumpkins seeds are supposed to be good--not sure if they're for protein. I'm eating eggs again. I guess I'll worry about cholesterol later.
Am getting pimples on my 53-yr. old face (from AC?), plus my skin is dry. Head hair almost gone, but leg hair still there. Holding onto eyebrows for now. Have NO sense of humor today. Gotta take it a day at a time, and remember yesterday was good for me and holding hope for tomorrow (and the next frigging 3.5 months of chemo and a few weeks of rads). Better go look at baby pictures (and then there's Lost tonight!)
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Lisa- There are some pastas that have extra protien in them, I don't remember the brand at the moment but the should not be hard to find and a basic supermarket. Hummus and any bean dip is Another protien source. Other nut butters, like cashew and almond. Also Gelatin and fish are other places to get protien. The gelatin is also good for the nails which can take a beating during chemo. cooks.com has a list of high protein recipes.
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Speaking of protein drinks, I've been doing Boost and Ensure with high protein, which are fine. I do worry about the Soy Lechtin ingredient, though. Forgive my nutritional ignorance but does anyone know if that counts as soy? It's right in the middle in the list of ingredients. The cc nutritionist said if soy is one of the last ingredients then it's ok.
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shocked -
I was told that if soy was listed after the first 5 ingerdients or so, that it's ok.
i still try to avoid it.....but you can't avoid it all together!
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Lisa810
Like you, I don't like hard candy. I'm an M@Ms kinda person! But I bought some butterscotch and lemon drop candy and it helps alot with the dry throat. As for protein, How about tuna or some other type of fish. Its healthy and good for you. take care. Hope this helps. PLUTZ12
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Hi-
This direction of this thread currently should be good for me. So many great tips on our nuitritional needs. I just want to know if I am the only one who can't stomach most of it right now? After surgery but b/4 chemo I did some great protein shakes in the blender. Now? BLEECH! Even the thought of diary anything (which I normally love too much) is so unappealing. Even when I try to make it appealing, it ends up not hanging around my insides too long. I am on a 3 week on, 1 off (this week YAY) cycle so I'm guessing it makes a big difference how one feels. I eat the same things whether it be good or bad days because my stomach is just getting beaten up! Actually, I can widen my menu a bit on good days and have chicken, maybe a veggie or two but on bad days? Even the rice, toast and soup route causes what my DSO calls "internal disorder", I feel I'm doomed to eat like this till chemo is over in early May!
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Goodness, REKoz! 3 on, 1 off! Just when I think I know about this stuff, along comes someone on a different regimen!
Dairy has not been a problem for me but crunchy, roasted vegetables (of all things) has. I haven't been sick, but the smell of them, even in my good weeks, makes my stomach turn. For me it was because I was feeling all cocky a few days after my first treatment and didn't take a nausea pill before I went to bed. Big mistake. I woke up to the smell of the veggies we had for dinner and that was the end of that.
I hope you can get past it...but if not, think of how yummy all of that stuff will taste in May when it's over!
Hang in there and feel good!
Diane
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Thanks Diane-
This regiman is supposed to be easier! It's smaller doses v. a every 3 week blast. I had a nasty post op infection and was just in the nick of time able to save the expanders! Surgery was Nov. 10th and they would only hold off chemo until mid Jan. for scar revision to be in place. I started chemo the 16th! Onco. felt I had less a chance of reinfection on this regiman and no fills until after chemo. It's OK- (at least after one cycle so far) because I have had one 24 hour period that's real bad. Then it's as described the rest of the time except on Thurs (the day before next treatment) when I feel almost myself! I think it will all taste so VERY YUMMY when I'm done! At least 10 pounds of yummy I'm thinking!
Ellen
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tuna and salmon are faves here....just watch the mercury in tuna. i was told to limit myself to tuna to about 1x per week. and salmon, buy wild rather than farm raised. though its very expensive. i've found good deals at trader joe's.
i agree with PLUTZ, the butterscotch candies are good! also, i buy little ginger candies that help with feelings of nausea. peppermint also freshens my mouth!
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Made it through tx #3. So far, just a major headache. No transfusion. Hemoglobin is still very low but not to the point that the transfusion is necessary. I am going to start with the protein also and try to get it to a more acceptable level before next tx. Only 1 more A/C and then on to the Taxol for 12 weeks. I did lose 10 lbs. since last treatment and they were not thrilled about that. Can't say I wasn't. I can still afford to lose more, but they said no more until after treatment ends.
My other younger son is visiting from New York this week and is cooking dinner. Steak tonight so getting that protein in.
Going to try to rest. Hope everyone is feeling better this evening. Will catch up later.
Brenda
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Hi Everyone,
Gracie thanks for dropping in, I am doing much better, sorry for being a crab!!! I start taxol next thursday at 1100, and was going to work Friday, I may now just take the day off!!
Renral glad your doing better, sorry but I can't keep up with all of the names, I have started a mental count down April 1st I will be done,
I have decided I am not doing radiation, just don't think I can deal with it, there was No cancer in my breast or the margins.....just 3 nodes.................
Thanks for all of the kind thoughts, and someone said I look young?? I am 55 and that is my wig, no one seems to notice and I get complments all the time, I suggest a wig with highlights.
Hope you all have a great week!! Pamela
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thanks to (((everyone))) for your protein & candy suggestions ... i am dutifully adding them to this weekend's shopping list. luckily i stumbled across some really good root beer candies today. and i forgot how much i love butterscotch ... they will certainly tide me over. thank you plutz & lisalisa !
i think i may be "off" fish for a while ... i'm bummed because it's the mr's birthday and we want to take him to our favorite seafood restaurant this weekend (their fresh, wild salmon is to die for!)... and i may have to make due with steak. but just the thought of tunafish or tilapia or salmon right now ... um, no.
(((BerkeleyKim))) hope today was a better day for you, hon.
pamela, i agree, you wear your age - and your wig - very well!
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Lisa810-Thanks for the wishes. I felt a lot better today, but had really low neutrophil count again pre Neupogen shot, and I'd got all dressed up to visit my students. Was told--NO!!!
Brenda-good news about the blood counts.
Pam-that is a cute picture! I know what you mean about the rads. I need to ask what the benefits are--but I've got awhile since I don't finish chemo til sometime in May. I'm really worried about how it will affect my "bad" arm that's still stiff since my Nov. surgery. Not sure it's worth it.
Lisa-LisaI think the soy lethicin is ok. I'm going to ask the nutritionist if she drops by my next tx. I asked about the fish oil that has it, and she said that's fine. She even said I could eat a couple servings of soy a week--and I need to ask more about that as I'm strongly E+
Anyhow, re diet, I thought I was doing well and eating enough protein. Guess not. I always felt that I was really healthy and had great control of my diet. This disease makes me realize what little control I have. My nurse today said that it's just what the drugs do to us. I'm taking mushroom supplements, accupuncture, eating as well as I can, and still the counts tank out. I had good counts after tx2 and thought I would again. So get Neupogen again tomorrow and Sat, and maybe Monday if counts are still low. Came home, kicked back, and read most of This Boy's Life (saw the movie, and my daughter took a class with Tobias Wolff), so can't complain.
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I had treatment #2 AC yesterday.....headaches didn't wait 2 days this time, started during chemo. By 9pm it was full blown, had to take a vicoden. When I got up later a clump of hair fell out. I knew it was coming since the pubics started the day before but I cried and and still am teary. Couldn't sleep much either. I go to Goshen Cancer Center and they have many good departments. They treat the mind and body. The homeopathy nurse is changing many of my otc vitamins and supplements. I'm hoping they will help.
I also went the the local American Cancer Center, they have many good programs. If you are under double poverty level, they will pay up $500 a year in medical bills, and also up to $300 in driving/miles per year. Many support groups, medical supplies, wigs, hats, books, bras, prosthesis, and they are all on loan for those that are in need. I already bought my hats, turbans and a wig. But it was nice to know. I also signed up for a Look Good Feel Better class that helps with make up, wigs etc.
Just writing this and reading blogs make me feel better. Now I must drink and do chores. Have a ggod day all. 2 down 6 to go.
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Hello January Jewels-Have you seen the February 09 thread? They call themselves the Fabuous Furies-I think that 's good too!
I had my second tx yesterday and felt more nauseous this time. I hadn't eaten anything till I got there and took the emend only 1/2 hour before the chemo. I think the time for nausea/no nausea is crucial. Thank goodness I have a day off at school and then PD day next Monday.....Thank goodness for comprazine and atavan. They helped me to sleep and through I felt groggy, I didn't feel so sick to my stomach.
The only chair I had to sit in yesterday was a group of people undergoing transfusions and blodd platelet infusions-They all had some sort of blood disorder and my gosh they were a wonderfully warm and funny bunch to be around. One woman was on her last tx and she felt so good she is planning a huge gathering and local trip with her family.
I hope all is well with everyone. I am off to the center this afternoon to get my neulasta shot and then the rest of my scalp buzzed. No more hair swoops to cover the bald!!!
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Hi all. I am doing Ok. I have had a touch of nausea here and there but given that I am in the last few days of the cycle I think that is a reaction to the antibiotic the doc gave me when they released me from the hospital. I have an accupuncture appointment today. Need to call my doc and make sure it is OK to do that, given my low blood counts last week. Breaking the skin and all given infection risks. My mood was sad yesterday as I dealt or did not deal with the hair loss thing. I listened to country music in the car which gave me a silly focus for me tears. Somehow I find it easy to cry over a dump song then over my own life. But I also got distracted and missed a turn driving DS home from preschool which added at least a half hour to my drive (only a half hour since I was on the cell phone with DH getting direction on how to get back on course). But that meant DH had to go to the kindergarden orientation meeting instead of me.
Warning TMI ahead. Last night DH and I got "together" for the first time since I started treatement, probably since before that as well. It was good and important to reconnect in a physical way, and since I was feeling OK physically I wanted to make that a priority. It was DH who needed to initiate though. Somehow at bedtime I find it hard not to just go to sleep. Anyway, it was also good to have that connection as I start losing my hair. Who knows if I will be able to feel attactive enough to be "in the mood" once it is all gone and months is a long time to go with out physical and/or emotional intimacy. Anyway for those of you in relationships I encourage you to find some means of physical connection at those moments when you are feeling stronge, whatever it is you an manage. This is a time of stress for both partners and physical connection can help providing you are feeling reasonably OK and can both be patient with each other. Saturday DH and I are going to try to have a date night since I am more likely to feel up to it this weekend that on Valentines day next week which will be just a few days after tx2
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