Help please -how did it get this bad & don't know what to do.
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michele - ok i'm with judy this is the time to take a BIG deep breath !!! my first surgery removed 5x7x12 cm and there was a lot more removed in the mast plus 1 postive node out of 4.... please don't jump to the finish line !!! i'm over 4 years out and am doing great... there's no guarantee for me or for anyone i know ... i'm working part time (my choice), fishing, gardening, and walking 90 minutes most mornings .... please hang in there !!
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Michele54: What JudyO said... I think we've all been where you're at, reeling with fear, uncertainty and doubt. But it's true that once you get the specifics about YOU and YOUR case and get a treatment plan in place, the fear, uncertainty and doubt are replaced with hope and determination, a much better place to "be"... you will get there too... nothing is for sure, either good OR bad, so please try to take it easy on yourself, take only ONE step at a time, and take heart that no matter WHAT, there is so much more hope now than there used to be, thanks to many brave women who have paved the trails we now tred... Hang in there...
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Thanks for the positive wishes. I really was okay with most of this and still holding out hope that the abnormal results really were due to things I already have like the arthritis and the fact that I smoked and had pnemonia. After reading dreams post I am thinking I am just kidding myself. I have no nodes showing anything and the spots they found on my lung are very small and not of too much concern if they want me to wait three months for further evaluation. Now I'm thinking about are chest tubes, ports and pain. I was getting there and almost able to take a deep breath and relax but relaxing isn't an option now.
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Michele54: good for you... and don't worry too much about the pain either... it's more like annoying discomfort and drugs do help!!! Don't have a port so can't speak to that... not everyone needs one... take care...
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No No what is freaking me out is dreamwriters post. I asked for help with what I read on medical reports and what I read on here and research on the internet. I thought from what I researched that there were other reasons my labs showed the results they did. Dreamwriter said we were alike in our diagnosis and told me about the chest tubes, infected ports, and the pain she is in. I was feeling comfortable and a bit more relaxed - in fact I even laughed today. Now I can't stop crying - I guess I shouldn't have gotten my hopes up.
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Michele, please don't jump to any conclusions about anything until you have all your tests, talk to your team of drs. I also had ILC had rt mastectomy and chemo. I wish like Marsha that I had had both removed at the time but just didn't have enough information. After 4 years of being lopsided finally had reduction and silicone put in. I promise when you get all your information and get a plan in action you will feel better and more in control and please remember none of us come with an expiration date. gentle hugs. sherry
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I'm really sorry if I'm sounding like a baby here. It's just that everytime I feel good about what I know so far, what I think I know, and decisions I've made I relax a little. But everytime I relax something else knocks me back down. I really did think there was a chance the doctors who read the reports were being overly cautious since they knew I was diagnosed with bc.
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Michele54:
Try to take one day at a time. The first part of this journey is one of the hardest. Seems like every time you turn around you get confusing or bad news. Eventually everything is in and you can start deciding what you want to do for treatment. You never know if you make the correct decision, you just make the best decision you can at that time with all the information you have. It is doable but sometimes you think it isn't. You will surprise yourself and don't expect to make it through without lots of tears and anger.
As for a port, I love mine. I am 17 months out of chemo and still have mine that I have flushed once a month. Ports save your veins and most people have excellent luck with them. I had a unilateral mast with no recon and had less pain with my mast than I did with the excisional biopsy. Snowbird is right about drugs helping a lot too.
Hang in there. Once all the information is in get a doctor to answer all your questions. Write them down, ask them and write down the answer before moving on, take someone with you to appts, get copies of all your reports (even if you have to pay for them), put them in a 3 ring binder with tabs to separate the sections. I know it doesn't seem like it now but you can do this.
Best wishes as you travel this road. Come here for support.
Wink
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Michele, I don't think your tumor is 15 cm. The MRI says 8.5x5.8--if anything, it might be overstated.
Judy is right, you're feelings are all over the place, which is totally to be expected. Try to maintain your gallows humor, if you can, b/c I know that's the only thing that kept me going between me dealing with my cancer and having my now late Stage IV mom on treatment at the same time. Keep thinking about that grossly normal bladder of yours.
That reminded me of when my mom was first diagnosed, and her surgical path report said she had an "unremarkable nipple." Well, the nerve, LOL!If I were you, I'd post your scan info and everything over on on the Recurrence and Mets boards. Those girls have a lot of experience dealing with false positives on scans, etc., and can probably give you some good feedback.
Big hugs to you.
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I agree with everyone, once you start doing something it feels better. I had one boob removed and other than the bother of the drain bulbs it wasn't very bad at all. I made sure I rested as needed, ate good meals and did some excercise. I had a port put in for chemo. I thought it would be a major thing but my son came with me and after we went out to get something to eat. It really made it easier to get chemo and have the blood drawn. I know people can have the ports block up but I think this is not the norm so don't worry about that. If it happens they will deal with it. I had my port removed a month after I was done with chemo. I am one of those personalities that feel this is a bump in my road of life and any reminders get kicked out as soon as possible. I am not sure if they will do the chemo before surgery on you. Some times they like to get the size down. Chemo before can be a good thing in that they can see if the chemo is working for you by the changes in the tumor size. I did dose dense (this means they give it to you every 2 weeks instead of 3) AC and then taxol. There are many differrent chemos being used so take time and research the option they give you. I didn't have problems with chemo. I think I was more frightened by the what if than the actual thing. It is scary but it goes by quickly. Make sure you don't rush this to much, I think I did and now regret some of my decisions. I am looking at getting the second boob removed since I have had some pain in it recently. I personally should have had both done initially since I am one of those constant worriers. I would not wish all of this on my worst enemy but I believe we must deal with it the best way we can. I tell myself if I am to die tomorrow would I be happy at how I lived today....and if I live for many tomorrows I don't want to regret how I wasted today. Try to keep that in mind.
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Hi Michele,
I'm an ILCer also. Just wanted to pop in and tell you that you're in the waiting sucks period. Not knowing and the unknown sucks. I chose to have a bilateral with tissue expander reconstruction. I am 3 years out from diagnosis. You've got a great group of ladies helping you and I will tell you that Marsha will keep you laughing for sure.
Everyone will be here for you.... just yell! If I can help at all, let me know or send me a PM.
Hugs, Liz
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Hi Michele, I know it's hard to positive, but try your best. I read my Bible and met with my Priest while I was waiting to get all my results. God is always with us. Put your Faith in Him right now & let Him carry your burden. It was very hard for me too, but worrying won't help. You are doing the right thing. Coming to these boards and getting to know all the helpful ladies on here. There are also some wonderful/positive prayer & inspirations threads that may help you settle some of your worries. My prayers are with you!
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Michele, honey, NONE of us are alike!! You do NOT have all your info in yet so try not to compare yourself to anyone and don't let anyone compare themselves to you. To do that can be very scary and you just don't have all the info in yet to do that!! You will know about your nodes after surgery. The PET/CT will give you more knowledge about the spine etc and help decide about arthritis vs cancer. I know what upset you......... Be careful when reading here, and take responses you get with a grain of salt thrown in. YOU ARE AN INDIVIDUAL CASE, OK??? Big Hug and please keep us up to date with what is going on, we are here for you, Marsha
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OOPS, forgot my funny for the day for you Michele: When I went in to have same day surgery to put my port in, I left a note taped to my chest, above where the port was to go, that said "Beer tap goes here" with an arrow pointing to the spot. The prep nurse let me leave it there for the surgeon to find. They said he just rolled is eyes and kinda snorted.......
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OK, hope I can help a little. First of all, you don't have all of the answers to know where you stand with this disease. I would recommend, as others did already, to request a PET/CT. This will pull your studies together to definitively tell if what they are seeing on your bone scan are indeed mets. I talked to a radiologist friend of mine about how you can tell the difference between mets and arthritis and he said alot has to do with patterns (like whether or not what they see is in the long bones or joint spaces). I asked about spine and he said that it can be difficult to differentiate between mets and arthritis so he would suggest getting a PET/CT. Some areas seen on bone scan that are most suspicious for mets are femur, pelvis, skull, ribs.
I comPLETELY agree with Marsha!!!! Take care.
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2frogs1princess - thank you so much for replying and YES that does help. According to the results my femur, pelvis, skull, and ribs are fine. Even when they said there was something suspicious nothing else validated the findings.
Marsha - what would I do without you? You always make me feel better and I look forward to your "funnies". I am looking forward to the day when I can have an attitude like yours.
Hugs to all,
Michele
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Michele,
Just wanted to pop in and see how you were doing. I don't post often but I see Marsha is taking care of you. I told you she'd keep you laughing. Marsha - you're a true gem.
Just remember take this one step and one day at a time. You'll get through it.
Hugs
Liz
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Hey Michele, haven't heard from you today and wondering how you are doing. Isn't your appt with the onc tomorrow? I'll be thinking of you and sending you all kinds of positive thoughts and vibes. Take someone with you so you don't miss anything. I remember my head was doing one of those woo woo woo things like I had water in my ears. Some even take a recorder with them. Check in when you get a chance. Marsha
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Hi Marsha - busy day at work so I didn't have time to get on. I had my dates wrong, the appointment is actually Thursday at 2:30. Hubby is off so I was thinking of having him go with me. I haven't told him about the scan results because I can't get the words to come out. I still have I'm dying bouncing around in my head.
I don't know if you have the answer to this or if someone else does. I have been trying to research mets and can't seem to find if there are stages. They only noticed one small spot between the T9/T10 vertebre and and spot they want to reaccess later. Is that a good thing or is there no difference between one spot and a hundred spots?
Thanks, Michele
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Michele, Stage IV is just Stage IV. But I would think it's better to have fewer spots, as that would indicate a lower tumor load. There is debate among oncologists as to whether it makes any difference in overall survival as to when mets are detected, which would imply that it doesn't make any difference whether you treat one spot or a hundred spots. But logically, it seems like mets would be easier to control if there are fewer of them.
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Michele: You really don't have enough information to be making any assumptions. Wait until you see the oncologist and maybe even run some more tests. I know the waiting is excruciating and your mind goes to the absolute worse conclusion but don't go there. I agree with JudyO - relax, take a deep breath, take one day at a time. Think good things.
Hugs and good thoughts.
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Hi Michelle,
I know it is hard, but try to wait until you have a more definitive test like a PET/CT (don't forget to ASK for one when you see your onc).
I will tell you a little story - 5 years ago I went to the doc because of bad reflux - she thought it might be my gallbladder but sent me for an abdominal ultrasound. Found nothing wrong with my gallbladder but did find a 6 cm tumor on my right kidney! Was sent to a urologist who then sent me for a CT scan. From the CT scan he told me he was 99.9% sure I had renal cell cancer. I was a basket case. I didn't have any of the risk factors for kidney cancer. I didn't want to believe it so looked up on the internet benign kidney tumors (just to see if there were any) and decided that was what I had. When I mentioned it to the nurse when I went to for a pre-op appointment she looked at me like I was crazy and muttered under her breath something like "in your dreams". Well guess what, I had my kidney removed and when the doctor got the path report back he was stunned. I had a very rare benign tumor that looks just like renal cell on imaging. So I guess what I want to say is - wait until you get all the information before you get all worked up.
Like others have already said, relax and take a deep breath. Will pray that your onc visit goes well and that you can get a PET/CT soon to put your mind at ease.
Hugs,
Suz
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Hi Michelle, thinking good thoughts for your appointment tomorrow. You do know that Dr. Google didn't pass his exams don't you? In other words, searching the internet will drive you bonkers. Yes, I think we've all done it. Hang in there. We'll be here for you.
Hugs
Liz
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Dear Michelle,
We are all waiting for a message from you today! Hope everything went ok and you have some information or appts. Don't forget to come back here where you can get all the hugs and support you want!
Peggy xoxxo
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Hi all - I'm back from my first appointment with my oncologist. Even though I'm afraid to breathe and feel hopeful I am I'm feeling a little better. The nurses and doctors there are wonderful and put me at ease (kinda) right away. The oncologist was straightforward and to the point but still took his time and answered all my questions even the sily ones. He also told me it was okay to do research but not to base everything on what I read. He had my test results and after taking a full medical history told me he was a bit concerned about the teeny tiny spot on my spine but also said that it's a VERY good chance it's arthritis or an old trauma injury from a car accident I was in. He also said the spot on my liver is way too small and one of those things that show up that freaks people out. It didn't show exactly like cancer and there were no other signs that he associated with cancer. So I'm breathing little breaths again. He is scheduling me for a PET scan and a full body MRI hopefuly Monday - maybe Tuesday. I do need to have chemo UGH and opted for the port. We will decide what type and how often once the PET and MRI results come back. I told him I wanted to hit this thing hard and heavy so we will see. He even said that if it does turn out to be mets, it's not curable but it's very very early with only one spot so the prognosis is good. Hey he also said I was young and healthy - hmmmm 55 and bc - didn't think that was healthy and I feel like I'm 100 right now. But all an all my health is pretty good other than I should exercise more.
I REALLY don't know what I would do without all of you. The good thoughts, hugs, and even the prayers are getting me through this. Just knowing you care makes me feel I can deal with this. I also got a prescription for Ativan and Zoloft so I guess I will be getting a good nights sleep. He told me if I felt I needed an antidepressant to just let the office know. For the first time in weeks I am feeling a little optimistic. Hopefully it doesn't come back to bite me in the butt.
I will definitey keep everyone posted. Lots of love and good thoughts to all of you.
Michele
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michele54: Just found your post today and can relate. First, so glad you are feeling a little better!
I have ILC that is locally advanced. I am 56 and my tumor size is 10, had one node pre-chemo that was enlarged, had my chemo up front and just had a mastectomy - waiting for pathology report. I had some things come up durning a bone scan too, but as it turned out just due to degenerative disks in my spine.
A big help for me, using my sense of humor. Trust me, I found humor in the most surprising places! It helped me get through! Again, so glad you are feeling a little better! Wishing you more "feeling better"! and LOTS of Good News!
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michele--just wanted to give you some good news to hang on to. My mom had ILC--lumpectomy, radiation and tamoxifen and ALND--and is now a survivor of over 22 years without a recurrence! So please don't automatically think the worst; there's so much they can offer now in the way of treatment. Praying you get good results from the MRI and PET scans.
Anne
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Michelle - I have ILC and pre-surgery my tumor was estimated to be twice the size it was. Please just try to take it one step at a time. I would get myself all worked up over the what-if's and you just can't do that with BC because you won't know everything just yet. Hugs.
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Michelle,
I too have lobular that no one seems to be able to detect until its large. I had back pain and was told by the radiologist to have an MRI of the spine which is more diagnostic than bone scan in some instances. She said if you have arthritis often the bone scan will show something but an MRI will tell you it is not metastatic cancer. I will be thinking of you and hope this helps.
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MIchelle,
I met a woman at an ACS event who was diagnosed with ILC 10 years ago. They gave her 2 years to live. Did you catch that I met her just a month or so ago? She still shows no evidence of disease!
I too have had things show up on tests, and that ultimately leads to another test, which leads to a tie breaker test. It is not unusual at all to have things show. Since you have breast cancer, they will error on the side of linking it. I can also tell you that when I was diagnosed I thought it had spread everywhere. My eyes, my chest, my bones, my liver, anywhere I heard that mets go, I was hurting there. I would wake up saying my liver was hurting. I was sure I had at most 2 years to live (isn't weird how 2 years pops up?). I started returning things, giving things away, etc. My scan summary ended up similar to yours - arthritis, hernia, etc, little things I never knew about. Another thing that happened, was a few days after my diagnosis, a plane went down in Spain and many people died. Those people likely thought they had plenty of time. It was a reminder to me that none of us know when we will pass from this world. It will happen to all of us sometime, but we don't know when. Live your life. Focus on what you know, not what you don't. I remember some days thinking, well this may kill me, but I don't think I'm going to die today, and would just get on with the day.
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