ANYONE WITH TUMOR BIGGER THEN 5CM
I was diagnosed on 1/6/09 with 3 X 5 tumor-ER+ PR + not sure about HER(?) all these terms are really new to me. I am scheduled to have a bi laterial mas on 1/30/09, they are going to put in expanders but will not inflat them until I knew if I need to have Rad or not. with the size of my tumor it looks like I will. Is there anyone esle out their that can tell me what treatment is like. I had been doing really well with all of this but now I just want this thing out of me. I have also had some shoulder and joint pain and was worried about mets but my doctors don't seem to be concerned they just keep saying we won't know anything until after surgery(this sucks). It so funny I have such a strong faith in God to heal other people, I can pray and believe why is it so hard to believe for yourself. There are so many things going through my mind. I just need some encouraging words.
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Hi: I'm so sorry that you've had to join our club. Have any of your doctors talked to you about doing chemo first to shrink the tumor ? Have you had the opportunity to talk with an oncologist yet ? My tumor was really small - but I know in many cases they are doing chemo prior to surgery when there's a large tumor.
You are in the part of this journey that I found the hardest to deal with - you know you have cancer but you're not certain of what your treatment will be - you want to get the cancer out of you as soon as possible - I think we all feel that way and are surprised when things don't move along as quickly as we think they should. Once you've got a treatment plan in place things do seem to get easier - as then you're following the steps of the decisions that have been made.
Hugs,
Doreen
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Thanks for responding. I won't meet with an onc until after my surgery. My doctors never mentioned Chemo to shrink tumor I guess because I knew from the beginning I wanted them both removed. I just wish next Friday would hurry up and get here
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Hi Simone.
So sorry you had to join us bc sisters but you're in the right place! No question, you are going through a hundred thoughts, anxiety, questions etc. There is a wealth of knowledge here, however I recommend to not over do it as it can depress you. First of all, know that bc is NOT a death sentence and so many women survive.
So they are performing surgery first before chemo? Have you discussed your Pathology report w/your Onc.? Sometimes they recommend chemo first as they did me. My tumor wasn't that large, but had spread to my lymph gland and is an aggressive cancer. With the chemo first, I had a very good response and my tumor shrunk dramatically.
Another issue is, if you have the bi-lateral mas and have the expanders, I'm not sure if you can do RADS. You need to find out.
Chemo is tough. No question BUT doable. I am doing 8 rounds. I did 4 rounds of A/C and never vomited. I am now doing 4 rounds of Taxotere and have 2 more to go. This one is the harder for me. Achy joints and flu like symptoms. But you will get through it.
I had similar thoughts about pain related to mets. Chances are it's nothing. (Our mind plays lots of tricks). They haven't scheduled a bone scan, mugga scan or PET /CT scan yet? Check w/your onc. Chemo prior to your surgery may be a benefit for you.
Stay strong in faith Simone. It will be your rock through this incredible journey. It will also get easier.
God Bless,
Jeannine
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HI Simonejones -
If you can believe this - my tumor was 10cm!! I had lobular cancer which tends to grow in sheets rather than spherical so that is one reason why it was so large as they measure it end to end.
My Dr. mentioned chemo prior to surgery, but he didn't seem like it would provide much additional benefit and left the choice up to me. I just wanted it out so I had a mastectomy first. I then also had chemo and radiation. When I had my surgery, they removed 12 nodes and only one had a micro amount of cancer. I had CT scans and bones scans that showed no mets. In March, it will be 2 years for me and I am doing great.
Chemo was not as bad as I thought it would be. I never got sick but did have a few side effects like throat sores, constipation and bone pain. Loosing my hair was probably the worst part, but it all came back and I look like a normal person again.
Good luck and let me know if I can help in any way - feel free to PM me.
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Oh - just wanted to add that I had an expander inserted and inflated prior to radiation. 2 months after I was done with radiation, I had the expander replaced with a permanent implant. I am seeing that my skin is tighter due to the radiation and it has flattened out my breast so that it doesn't look the same size as my real one. A bit disappointing, but if that's my only problem, I'm good!
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Simonejones -
My tumor was close to 8cm. I did Neo Adjuvant chemo as well ACT, Herceptin for 1 year. Next month will be 1 year that I finished my chemo. Like the other ladies said, chemo is tough, but doable. I found it more emotionally draining than physical. You will get through this, I promise and once you have talked with your onc, you have a better sense of what treatment you will be doing.
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I just want to thank everyone for sharing. I am not getting my expanders filled until after rad, that will prevent me from having another surgery to put them in later. Life sure does throw you curves, God restored my marriage, then my husband had kidney failure and had a transplant, he is doing great and have been very supportive and now this. My PS has been really informative. I really wanted to begin the recon right away but felt like It would work better after radiation. Once again thanks for sharing. I may not be able to respond to anyone esle because I only get 5 post a day I guess because I new to the website.
Simone
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My sister was dx'd January 07 with a 6 cm IDC, ER-PR- (I think), 1 node + out of 16. Don't know the other status of other staging markers. SHe had four rounds of chemo prior to surgery in June 07, then 4 more rounds after surgery, then 6 weeks radiation. They did a CAT scan of her chest and abdomen last Thursday, and found a 1 cm nodule in her lower right lung (cancer side). Everything else was clear in the abdomen/rest of chest. She then had a PET scan January 20. We are all so frightened. Has anyone had anything like this? She meets with her oncologist tomorrow, but it has been a very long week worrying. Of course we are all thinking the worst. Trying to think positive...
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Okay, the best I understand is even if the cancer is on her lung it is still considered breast cancer and they give her more chemo. Did you sister have a mast or lumpectomy? Everything will be fine, she seems to have good doctors that are covering all thier bases.
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She had a complete mastectomy with the chemo before and after. Would the 1 out of 16 lymph nodes being positive with chemo before surgery really be accurate at the time of surgery? Really am confused by all of this. The fact that she is ER- and PR- (I think) make it more aggessive? Can if grow that fast after all of the chemo and radiation? Appreciate the input. I am feeling a little calmer now...
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Kay, I wish I could answer your question but I don't have enough knowledge on this yet. I will tell you I have seen alot of people on this website that have metastasis's (when breast cancer spreads) you may be able to find some threads on this.
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Hi Simone,
As far as your expanders not being filled until after radiation. You might want to have some saline filled in the expanders only because it might make them feel better after your surgery. I also have expanders, but I have been getting small fills since 1 week after my surgery. After my radiation I will have the expanders replaced with permanent implants. After my mast. the expanders were very uncomfortable but once they started to fill them the pressure felt so much better! There's no harm in filling them now.
Kay, so sorry to hear about your sister, I hope it all turns out well.
Good luck and keep strong!
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My sister, who was diagnosed two weeks before me, had ILC...her tumor was 7 cms. She has been getting chemo first...doctor wanted to shrink it before doing mastectomy. She just called me...her breast was hurting so they did an ultrasound...and the can't find the tumor!!!!!!!!!!!
Woohoooooooooooooooooooo She had 6 cycles of AC and is now getting 12 weekly cycles of taxol.
She meets with her doctor next week to see how they will progress!
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What wonderful news Lisa!!!!!!! So good to hear the winning side of the fight!
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my original tumor was 7 cm as seen on MRI. after my first round of AC the tumor had shrunk by 1/2. by the time I finished 2 of 4 rounds of AC the tumor was non-palpable. I have since had taxol and taxotere. My bilat is scheduled for end of Feb and I am not expecting them to find much cancer. It makes doing the neo-adjuvant treatment WORTH it....I know my cancer is dead and it gives me a lot of inner peace.
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Mine was 6 to 7 cm before chemo.
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Okay someone help me out. why hasn't my doctor suggested me doing chemo prior to surgery to shrink my tumor? they think it about 5 to 6 cm. I am schedule for a bilaterial mastectomy on friday.
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Hey, Simone... my tumor was 3 cm plus another 1 1/2 cm of DCIS. Originally, my BS thought (based upon the ultrasound and mammogram) that the tumor size was 2.6 cm total. The MRI found the additional and that is the point my BS guided me to speak to an onc. My onc and I talked about having chemo prior to surgery as an option to shrink the tumor; however, I decided to go ahead and have a lumpectomy. Sometimes... obviously not all of the time... the chemo does not shrink the tumor. In MY case, I just wanted the dadgum thing out.
The advantage to shrinking the tumor first, in my case, was to lessen the possibility of future reconstruction. I had my lumpectomy, SNB, and port placement this past Friday, and I'm still happy with my decision. After the swelling goes down and I have chemo/rads, I'll decide if I need reconstruction or not.
ONE of the best things about this board is the support you'll find for YOUR decision. Thankfully, we all know now that everyone's case is different.
Good luck!
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That is kind of the way it was presented to me as well. Chemo first was an option if I wanted to try to not have a mastectomy. However, my onc thought that I would end up getting one anyway. They way I decided was that I would rather have the surgery and follow it with chemo to catch anything left behind rather than worry that the chemo didn't get it all before the surgery. He told me if I had chemo first, I would not get any more after.
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Simonejones: were any in the lymph nodes? I am also new to this great forum, I was DX Nov/08 with ILC with a tumor size 7 cm. I was given an Oncotype DX test with a score of 14. I'm a low risk (slightly intermediate because of the size of the tumor). I will be having a left masectomy in March with reconstruction (DIEP) at the same time. It was left up to me if I wanted Chemo. I will wait till after surgery to see if I need the Chemo or not. Anyone with larger tumors and have taken the Oncotype test? I'm in the Cleveland Ohio area.
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Simone, I had a 6.5 cm tumor in the right breast and also 1 positive lymph node. I automatically was recommended to have the chemo prior to surgery and was told this is the "new" way. I am in North Florida and the head onc in my group is originally from Sloan Kettering, in NY.
It is probably too late for you to request a change, but perhaps if any other bc sisters are encountering the same thing. Be your own advocate! Taking some time to make a decision normally isn't going to make much difference in the outcome, however, it may make much difference in the path of treatment.
The radiologist told me to pick up a copy of Dr. Susan Love's Breast Book, which I did... Also, I had a nurse navigator assigned to me immediately after diagnosis. She co ordinated all of the initial appointments. Once I saw the surgeon (4 days later), he called the oncologist immediately... who saw me the next day! I had a pet scan the next morning (Friday), then a mugga test , AND had the results of the pet scan by Monday NOON! Port put in for chemo that Friday, and chemo the next week!
As far as choosing to have bilateral, it is a very personal decision, however, there is no indication that it is medically necessary and can give a false security. I urge anyone to really do the research on that. Dr. Patrick Quillin has a great book called Beating Cancer With Nutrition... and says cutting off body parts is Not the answer!
Though I respect everyone's personal decision, I also urge you all to be your own advocate!
The chemo is actually meant to seek out any cancer cells floating elsewhere in the body... and the radiation is to find any left behind in the area of the surgery. Unfortunately, we have tests that show tumors, but we have NO medical tests that show cells other than thermography which insurance will not pay for!
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I was a 8 cm that had touched the skin and six months later, the week after completing rads...my inflammatory bc came through the skin. I had 24/27+nodes on this mast. surgery. Year later I had 2nd mast. with 27/27+nodes. I had chemo before my first mast and have been in treatment continually since my diagnoses on Nov 05. My tumor continued to triple in size while on Adrian/Cyc/Taxotere. (my first set of chemos) It cover my whole breast, under my breast bone and up into my shoulder area. They said it was very aggressive and had three to six months to live after the first mast.
That was three years ago. Doing find so far. Believe it or not no mets in bone/organ. But nine chest wall recurrences.
Flalady
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