Large ILC Tumous

sandogger
sandogger Member Posts: 68

Hi

I am looking for others who have very large ILC and what your experiences have been using neoadjunct chemo - mine is AC for the first four rounds and then will be changing.

I was 51, 7.0 cm tumor, ER+ HER2 neg and diagnosed recently.  I am having round 3 of chemo in two days.

Thanks!

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  • JudyO
    JudyO Member Posts: 225
    edited March 2009

    I didn't have the large tumor but would like to hear how the neoadjunct chemo is working for your ILC. Has it shrunk the tumor? What were your other stats?

  • sandogger
    sandogger Member Posts: 68
    edited January 2009

    Hi Judy,

    I don't yet have any other stats, since they have not done any surgery yet.

    My cancer is 7.9 cm, ER+ and HER2 Neg.  They are using A/C infusions on me.

    The oncologist says that the treatment is working.  I have chemo round three, tomorrow, the 21st. The chemo is getting harder to take, but I am hanging in there.

    Let me know if this answered your question.

    Kiss

  • JudyO
    JudyO Member Posts: 225
    edited March 2009

    sandogger....I am asking about the chemo because much of what I read says chemo doesn't work for ILC. Since you are having this before surgery you will know if the chemo works. What was the grade of your tumor...1,2,or 3? I would be interested to hear what size it shrinks to after the chemo.

  • sandogger
    sandogger Member Posts: 68
    edited January 2009

    Judy,

    The grade was 3, I believe.

    The tumour feels more defined and my onc said he could not feel the lymph enlargement after one infusion.  The onc said that the chemo was working and that the mass felt smaller.  With it being ILC, the mass is more vein-like instead of one big lump, as in ductal carcinoma.  What I can feel is the definition vs. just a big lump when I first found it.

    So, evidently, the chemo is working.  However, I was told by my onc that chemo does not shrink ILC as much as ductal cancer. He also told me that due to the size of the tumour, that the team recommended chemo first.

    I also know someone who had a 2.5 cm mass and they gave her chemo prior to surgery.  She is now five years cancer free.  She was treated by MD Anderson. 

    The team that is treating me are all overseen by another MD Anderson doctor.  I am being treated at a dedicated cancer center (one of only 38 in the U.S.) which is part of a University Hospital and they are using cutting edge technology and are running many clinical triials. The treatment that I am receiving is supposed to be some of the best here in the U.S and is one of the centers using the newest technology.  I just had to go with what the treatment team came up with; however, I do research as much as I can and talk to others to learn all I can about what I have.

    Hope this helps.

  • JudyO
    JudyO Member Posts: 225
    edited March 2009

    sandogger...What type of chemo are you being given? I am interested since you are being treated by the best. I live in small town Wisconsin and am getting the best offered here, I hope my onc is up to date on everything. I had dose dense 4 AC and dose dense 4 Taxol. This was done after my mast. I had 25 tx radiation. I am now on arimidex.

  • sandogger
    sandogger Member Posts: 68
    edited January 2009

    Judy,

    I asked my onc today what the grade was.  He said I am not totally staged yet, but that the nuclear grade is stage 1.

    He said that the chemo is having a positive response after today's exam.

    I am having 4 rounds of Andromyacin/Cytoxan and will next have 4 rounds of Taxol.

    By far the chemo side effects for me that are the most disturbing at this point are the extremely severe hot flashes and wakefulness at night.

    What town do you live in in WI?  I have relatives in Appleton.

    Let me know if this answered your question. Cool

  • JudyO
    JudyO Member Posts: 225
    edited March 2009

    sandogger...I live in Wausau. I wish you well. I was happy to hear the ACT combo worked on you. They do not stage you usually until the surgery is done. They need to know what lymph node involvement there is. I am 57 so I had already hit menopause so I didn't experience the hot flashes. I had a few when I started the arimidex but that has stopped. I have been very lucky since the chemo went very well for me. I am now having some pain in my other breast so I am off to the onc today to have that checked out.

  • sandogger
    sandogger Member Posts: 68
    edited January 2009

    Hi Judy,

    I had pain first in the left breast, which was sharp and shooting.

    I later had pain in the right one as well.

    The right breast had "suspicious" looking areas, so I had to have a MRI guided core needle biopsy on that one as well.  I had two different Ultrasound core needle biopsies on the left side.

    The results were negative on the right side.

    I have read that women with ILC do seem to have a pretty high risk factor for getting ILC on the other breast.

    Also, it is more common to have cancer on the left breast than right, as a general finding.

    Good Luck - hope your test goes well.

    I am thinking about having both removed, but am not yet ready to face that decision 100%.

  • JudyO
    JudyO Member Posts: 225
    edited March 2009

    Just came from the oncs. The pain I was feeling is a problem with a gland. He isn't sure if it is from starting the arimidex or something else. We talked a lot. He said getting rid of the other breast would not increase my survival odds. I really hate when they keep bringing that up. But if mentally it would make me feel better we can get rid of it. I have my 3 month follow up early March so told him I will think about it until then. I am still leaning towards having it removed. I wish I would have done that intitially since I wouldn't be facing another surgery.

  • sandogger
    sandogger Member Posts: 68
    edited January 2009

    Please read "The Breast Cancer Survivor Manual" if you have not already.  Although the section on ILC is not really big, they do touch on how it looks, how it opertates, and they mention that ILC very often appears in the non-cancerous breast.

    I got several books after my dx and I have found them to be pretty helpful.  The big takeaway is that you really have to be your own advocate when it comes to this disease, as you ae the one who will pay if you are not.

    I really am not looking forward to any of the surgeries and I have had a lot of other surgeries in my past, including one to remove a fibro-abnomea many years ago from the right breast.

    I would hate losing both breasts, but you know what?  It's better than having cancer in the other one and going throught the Hell and the chemo, surgery, radiation again.  Not to mention the complete and total fear.

  • Northstar
    Northstar Member Posts: 89
    edited January 2009

    My ILC tumor was large (5.2 cm, as I recall), but I had a bilateral mastectomy so didn't have neoadjuvant therapy.  Although there wasn't any cancer in the other breast when they removed the tissue, I knew that it often recurs in the other breast and didn't want to take the chance.

    My onc felt sure I would need chemo, but since I had negative nodes and was her2 negative, when the Oncotype Dx score came back, it was only 11, so I didn't need it.   I think that shows that even with a very large ILC tumor, it isn't necessarily as serious a situation as a smaller one that has other "issues" involved. 

  • sandogger
    sandogger Member Posts: 68
    edited January 2009

    Hi Northstar,

    I have hormone positive cancer, but it is HER- and I have lymph node involvement.  That is why I am having the neoadjuvant theraphy.  Additionally, my masses are 7.9 cm in my left breast and the BS said she would not be able to get get clean margins if I had surgery, so the treatment plan was put in place to have all chemo prior to surgery.

    Since my right breast had a suspicious spot on it, they opted to do a guided MRI biopsy on it and the pathology came back negative - for now.  However, in my studies and a lot of reading, I have found that it is very common to have ILC show up in the non-cancerous breast.  So with that being said, and my not having any surgery planned, I really don't know what to do at this point.

    The chemo has been hard to take and I have been having severe hot flashes, heart or chest pain, and a lot of insomnia.

    I will have another round of A/C, then be switched over to Taxol.

    Since I do have positive nodes, but they do not know how much is in there yet, I am just kind of at the mercy of the treatment team to find out what else is in store.

  • caligrlof68
    caligrlof68 Member Posts: 323
    edited January 2009

    My ILC was found in aug 08. The MRI showed a 7 cm tumor. Nuclear grade 1. After one AC treatment my tumor was measured at 1/2 its original size. It very quickly became non palapable. My repeat MRI, done after 4 rounds of AC showed only a tiny shadow of tumor, not clear or distinct, and therefore hard to measure by the radiologist. I, too, heard that ILC didn't respond to chemo like IDC....but that just wasn't the case with me. I have since had a whole bunch of Taxol AND taxotere. I am curious to hear what the surgeon finds when I have my bilat next month. I'm betting a whole lotta NOTHING!!  

  • lisasayers
    lisasayers Member Posts: 850
    edited January 2009

    My sister was diagnosed two weeks before me...in September.  Her ILC tumor was a little over 7 cm.  She got AC first (I believe 6 cycles) and now she is getting 12 weekly cycles of Taxol.  Last week she was having pain in her breast with the cancer.  They did an ultrasound...and can't find the tumor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  The chemo is working!  She is meeting with her doctor this week to see how they will no progress!

    Thought I would share the good news with all you ladies!

  • SusieMTN
    SusieMTN Member Posts: 795
    edited February 2009

    Sanddogger Hello!  I was diagnosed with ILC back on 22 July '08.  I am 56, I am both estrogen and progesterone positive, and HER/2 positive.  My tumor was very, very large, 10 cm and highly vascular, this thing grew very fast!  I was given neoadjunct chemo and it did shrink my tumor a lot. After chemo it was about a fourth the size, no hard areas left with most of the swelling gone.  I had 12 weeks of chemo (Taxol and Herceptin) and then another 12 weeks of cytoxon, Epirubicin, 5-FU and Herceptin once every 3 weeks.  I just had a modified radical mastectomy and will find out in about 8 days exactly how much cancer was left.  Chemo was tough, Taxol gave me really bad muscle and joint pain, but I took it one treatment at a time.  Doctors gave me anti-nausea medication which worked wonders and I took it at the first sign of nausea, that way it didn't get its ugly foot in the door.  I will find out next week if I will have any more chemo.  Hang tough, sometimes it seems like it is endless......  Just take it one step at a time!

  • sandy2009
    sandy2009 Member Posts: 106
    edited February 2009

    Hi Caligrlof68, just curious if you were ever tested with the Oncotype DX test?  I was dx in Nov.08, and will be having surgery/reconstruction in March.  I have not had Chemo with a low score of 14 from the test.   I may have it after the surgery if there is a chance there is any left.  My tumor was also 7 cm, I have ILC on the left side and will a mas and DIEP reconstruction at the same time.  I'm in Ohio.

  • NinaK
    NinaK Member Posts: 7
    edited February 2009

    I was dx'ed in 2003 with ILC.  The only test that dx'ed was a needle biopsy; no imaging tests showed anything (mammogram, ultrasound, cat scan, pet scan, and bone scan...nothing showed).

    I did neoadjuvant chemo to shrink the mass that measured from the outside top quadrant 10+cm's.  4 AC followed by 4 Taxol, bilateral mastectomy (by choice, left breast was prophylactic), 28 rounds of rads...no reconstructive surgery.

    This May (the 13th), I will be completing 5 years on arimidex.

    I'm doing well, thank God...and as far as I'm concerned, chemo saved my life!  It shrunk the mass to the point where the pathology reports after surgery only showed residual tissue...goes to show you that chemo works! 

  • JudyO
    JudyO Member Posts: 225
    edited March 2009

    NinaK...Thanks for taking the time to login and tell us about your situation. I always look for the people who are out some gives the rest of us hope. Looks like you will be 6 years..JudyO

  • bevsteed
    bevsteed Member Posts: 30
    edited February 2009

    Hi Sand:  I have Stage IIIA ILC, triple negative in left breast with some clinically positive nodes.  I did neoadjuvant chemo for 4 months, the first week of each month I was given epirubicin, cytoxin and abraxane.  The following two weeks I was given abraxane only.  Other than low white counts and a bout with pneumonia in Dec. I had no bad side effects.  MRI in Jan. 09 shows NOTHING!  They cannot find the tumors or nodes.  A follow-up magnified digital mammo with ultrasound showed the same thing.  I'm having bi-lateral mast. on Feb. 23, followed by more chemo and radiation.  Chemo DOES work on ILC.  I don't know where the information saying it doesn't is coming from.  TAKE HEART!  If you have ILC, chemo can work for you.  Stay Strong!   

  • caligrlof68
    caligrlof68 Member Posts: 323
    edited February 2009

    Sandy,

    No, I did not have the Oncotype test. My doctor said it wasn't appropriate for me. I don't exactly understand the rationale...possibly because of my positive lymph node? Well, in any case, I am proceeding with a single mastectomy on Weds Feb 25.....will remove the other breast at the time of reconstruction sometime later this year.....when my life is more stable.  I will let everyone here know what my pathology shows....if i truly had a complete response to chemo as it appears on the MRI.

    Stacy 

  • caligrlof68
    caligrlof68 Member Posts: 323
    edited March 2009

    Ok, I got my path reports today from my surgeon. The tumor was completely gone in the breast tissue. Originally it has been 7 cm!!  However, of the 11 lymph nodes removed, 7 of them had cancer cells in them. The doctor couldn't be sure it that was live cancer cells or dead scar tissue that was found in the lymph nodes. In any case, now i get Rads!! yippee skippee.(just kidding)

  • PeggyDixon
    PeggyDixon Member Posts: 125
    edited March 2009

    Hi Caligrlof68.....Congratulations!! You must be so happy and relieved tonight.  That is wonderful news. By the way, I've been reading the posts without logging on and assumed you were from California because of your username. But now that I've logged on I see you are from Nebraska! So wht is the Cali grl for? Of course I am from Canada and it may be obvious for the rest of you!Cool  Sleep well tonight.

    Hugs,  Peggy

  • caligrlof68
    caligrlof68 Member Posts: 323
    edited March 2009

    Hey Peggy,

    i was a little relieved...but actually the 7 lymph nodes sorta put a damper on my happiness. My original PET scan only showed 4 nodes involved, so i was thinking there would be fewer than that on my path report. Oh well.

    My Cali Grl is cuz I was born and raised in California. I only moved to Omaha, NE in 2004. I always use my email address for my log on names....and cali grl has been my email for many years now. It's just kind of stuck.

    hugs to you,

    Stacy 

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