Bilateral or Unilateral Mastectomy? Implant risks?

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  • DonnaDio
    DonnaDio Member Posts: 905
    edited January 2009

    Cornelia..ALL wiill be ok for Tueday as you have the strength, courgage and attitude!!! After this, all will be ok as the worst is over. Sending you warm hugs and good thoughts!!!My surgery date should be assigned any day.  Your aftermath adivice was printed out and will share it with my caretakers.

  • MarketingMom
    MarketingMom Member Posts: 47
    edited January 2009

    Cornelia, I just saw your post and realized today is Tuesday. So if today was your day, I am thinking and praying for you that it all goes well and uneventful.  Just for what it's worth, mine ended up taking a lot longer during my procedure for my PS to find the right size and make me look good, but I still came out of the surgery and recovered much more easily and quickly than I did with the BM.  I'm sure your PS will go over all your post-op directions, but I wasn't supposed to start massaging until 3 weeks post-op (which was last Friday).  Since my new "girls" are wanting to stray a bit outward (part of it was how I was built before), I have to massage around and push them together, to create cleavage.  Take care!

  • ailenroc
    ailenroc Member Posts: 308
    edited January 2009

    Update 1/11/08 post exchange: I did survive the exchange but am more uncomfortable than I expected to be: drains are still in on day 6 post surgery ... and still needed. No major complication so far but more nausea and pain than expected.

    Did anyone else recover more slowly after the exchange?? It seems I have read mostly stories of quick and easy recovery and expected the same.


    M-mom: thank you for the good wishes and massage input; I am still not clear whether to massage or not and will have to ask my ps again.

    Cornelia

  • DonnaDio
    DonnaDio Member Posts: 905
    edited January 2009

    Cornelia..Good it is done and wish i could help in info to as what more is needed to feel more comfortble.  Sending you healing wishes. MY surgery is Jan. 20th and have your aftermath surgery list being shared with a good friend who will be with my husband as my medical advocate.  I am sure you will get repsonses for what you need to do here in massaging etc. Thanks as you are my symbol for strength, courage and grace. Rest well!!!  I think healing and recovery experience is different for everyone.

  • ailenroc
    ailenroc Member Posts: 308
    edited January 2009

    Donna: Thank you for your encouragement. I am starting to feel better, thankfully.

    I am glad that you got your date. Getting a little certainty in this time of bewildering uncertainty is a good thing. This way you can plan and prepare.

    I don't know if I mentioned above the following tips - but they are just fresh on my mind because I am just re-experiencing them after the exchange:

    Have the house prepared, groceries stocked, cleaned, laundry caught up, child care arranged .. before the surgery.

    Get one or two post mastectomy bras beforehand; your old ones are likely not to fit and you'll need support. Have several front button or zip comfortable clothes and pants that don't require being ‘pulled' up with effort, like tight jeans (you won't have the strength to pull) ... I made that mistake today. Got my husband to help me into my jeans this morning for my visit to the doctor .. and now in the afternoon I am struggling to go to the bathroom by myself. I managed eventually to kick the pants off.  I tend to forget the moment I feel better that I can't do everything as I normally do. In that spirit:

    Be kind to yourself after surgery.  Don't expect too much of yourself or others. Do whatever relaxes you in the days before and do what you enjoy; psych yourself up with positive affirmations and visualizations; do empowering activities, and have some fun. I will be thinking of you and I wish you the very best and a quick recovery. I know you are strong and you will make it through this.

    Hugs,

    Cornelia

  • MarketingMom
    MarketingMom Member Posts: 47
    edited January 2009

    Cornelia, Glad to help and hope you are recuperating well!  And yes, it is always best to consult your own doc for your situation, but I would guess you aren't ready to do any massaging yet. At my 4-wk post-op appt last Friday, my PS said there will be more PT (physical therapy) to come even later on, but for now just the massaging. Best wishes!

  • ailenroc
    ailenroc Member Posts: 308
    edited January 2009

    M-Mom:

     Thanks for checking in and the good wishes. Today is the eighth day post exchange and I still have my drains in. Darn it!  I'm a bit puzzled that there has been so much fluid; I hardly had any post mastectomy. The ps says that there was so much scar tissue to remove and that is what causes the increase in fluid. Now I wonder if such a build up of scar tissue is predictive of further problems down the road.

    It is amazing that you didn't have any drains after the exchange. Hard to understand how we are all so different in adjusting after the surgeries, surgeries that sound all the same to outsiders: mastectomy with reconstruction.

    How are you feeling now, 4 weeks after your exchange? How is your range of upper body motion? Are you back to work? Are you happy with your results thus far? What kind of PT does your ps recommend? My best wishes for feeling well and strong in the weeks to come.

    Cornelia

  • ailenroc
    ailenroc Member Posts: 308
    edited January 2009

    Deciding

    Because I see questions pertaining to decision-making of uni vs bilateral or mastectomy vs. lumpectomy every day on the board here, I am adding some of my collected sources that helped me in the decision-making. Hope it is helpful to those of you who are still facing the very difficult task of deciding. 

    Pros and cons of mastectomy vs lumpectomy

                          

    Pros: do Mastectomy

    • It's an effective treatment and reduces risk by reducing breast tissue. Standardly, only 1-2% of breast tissue is left, thereby reducing the risk for recurrence substantially ... provided bc hasn't spread yet.
    • o Existing data suggest that preventive mastectomy may significantly reduce (by about 90 percent) the chance of developing breast cancer in moderate- and high-risk women.
    • o However, no one can be certain that this procedure will protect an individual woman from breast cancer.
    • o Breast tissue is widely distributed on the chest wall, and can sometimes be found in the armpit, above the collarbone, and as far down as the abdomen. Because it is impossible for a surgeon to remove all breast tissue, breast cancer can still develop in the small amount of remaining tissue http://www.medicinenet.com/preventive_mastectomy/page2.htm
    • I am young for having cancer: higher risk of recurrence: safer with mastectomy by reducing breast tissue
    • Presence of other factors that support mastectomy over lumpectomy:
    • o Diffuse, indeterminate of malignant appearing microcalcifications
    • o Dense breast tissue: difficult to visualize on mammogram
    • o Presence of lumpectomied site would equally be daily reminder of the disease.
    • o Rule of thumb: if previously more than two biopsies, do mx.
    • most protective and avoids radiation (vs. having lumpectomy) - if no spread to lymphnodes
    • Often no need for Tamoxifen or other adjuvant therapy - but not necessarily ... if invasive bc, which will only be known after surgery, adjuvant therapy still necessary.
    • Still have the option for radiation therapy in the future in case I have a recurrence
    • "New" breasts: potential for better looking breasts if originals were not perfect.

    Con: do Lumpectomy

    • Loss or entire breast, and its absence may be a daily reminder of the disease. Need to undergo reconstructive surgery.
    • Major surgery and consequent anesthesia risks of mastectomy
    • Post surgery risks:
    • o bleeding; infection; capsular contracture if implants (8%)
    • Long-term complications, resurgery common: 27% (although some of that minor)
    • Risk of capsular contracture 8%
    • + other complications
    • BR may fail altogether - worst case: Due to later radiation treatment, capsular contracture + other complications = I have to be able to live with the possibility of having no breasts should reconstructions ultimately fail
    • Unnatural look and feeling
    • Phantom pain and paraesthesias (strange, or unnatural, or tingling sensations)
    • Follow-up thereafter: regular or more frequent mammograms or other tests needed: stress each time + radiation itself increases cancer risk
    • Problem with Mastectomy: Difficult to determine that there is no new cancer in chest wall with implants in
    • Loss of Sensation in nipples
    • Mastectomy may have psychological consequences, such as negative sexual self-image (although not sure that lumpectomy doesn't do that too to some degree)

    Note: In my posts above, there is also a "Pros - Cons list" comparing uni vs. bilateral mastectomy.

    I invite all survivors and thrivers of either decision to add their insights to the lists above.

  • DonnaDio
    DonnaDio Member Posts: 905
    edited January 2009

    Well Cornelia, my surgery is  a week over! I am grateful for the info you had shared as most of it was true for me. My hubby is my nurse and for two weeks before he goes back to work. Two of my four drains, come out Friday.Will this hurt or any ideas what to expect?

    My days are full of gratefulness and know THERE will be up and down days. Hope you are doin well after your last surgery. Please update as you can. I have no expanders for me, as my PS has perfected his surgery to using a breast muscle to hold the implant and not an expander.

    Be well and healthy wishes goin! Sister in Pink!

  • kmccraw423
    kmccraw423 Member Posts: 3,596
    edited January 2009

    Cornelia - Boy, are you good.  I love your posts.  They are so informative!  I, too, have to remember that just becaused I feel good does not mean I am back to my old self.

    Donna - it shouldn't hurt to have the drains out - I think they just snip the stitches and out they come.  Is there somewhere we can go to learn about direct implant placement?  My expanders failed recently and had to be removed.  Has anyone had this done and what was the result?

  • ailenroc
    ailenroc Member Posts: 308
    edited January 2009

    Hi Donna,

    Great to hear that you put the big day behind you and I hope you are recovering well. Pulling drains will be the least of your challenges; it's brief. Keep the areas dry and clean; no showering before they are really closed. Remember it'll all get better and easier every day, one step at a time. That is very impressive that you don't have expanders. Wow! Where was this done? I haven't seen many references yet about immediate reconstruction without expander. Do you have silicone? Have you seen yourself yet? Report back when you can.

    I'm better too. Still with steri-strips but back to work full time. No pain, just limited range of upper body motion. I'll start working on that next week. I'll do a more extensive update when I have more time.

    423: Thank you for the note. It is good to know that the posts are helpful to some.

    All the best for you.

    Cornelia

  • DonnaDio
    DonnaDio Member Posts: 905
    edited January 2009

    Hi to you both... The surgeon who did my surgery has written on this procedure, without expanders. Google possibly Dr Sami Bittar Plastic Surgeon from Rush Medical Center,Chicgao,IL.   I will try to see how I can get more driect way for you both to see how this is done?

    Today i see the onocologist. Path report states I had infiltrating ductal carcinoma with DCIS..and no node involvement! Took 8 out. 1.2 cm of tumor. Stage one. Will see today what is next?

    Drains are the least of my problems and each day prayfully ask to strengthen me and to progess as this is a journey. Tomm two of my drains come out and then will get an order for physical therapy.

    Be well for now!!!Keep resting!!!!!

  • Mykidsmom
    Mykidsmom Member Posts: 1,637
    edited January 2009

    Kmccraw - You asked about the one step. It is a question I have wondered myself. Anyhow, Stonebrook had the one step. You may want to PM her or follow her threads. Best wishes! - Jean

  • DonnaDio
    DonnaDio Member Posts: 905
    edited January 2009

    Cornelia.... Getting stronger each day and using your notes!!!I

    I MET with the oncologist and chemo is necessary!!! I WAS quite blown away and now it is understood and have ALOT to get educated on. It will be done only afrer I heal with the surgery of course. IT would be a 9 week program and 4 treatments,

    Hugs goin and thanks for all your info. HOPE you are healing each and every day!!!!!Sister in Pink and fighting!!!!!

  • kmccraw423
    kmccraw423 Member Posts: 3,596
    edited February 2009

    Jean:  Thanks for the tip.  I posted to her but have not heard back yet.  My PS never heard of it.  It would be nice if I didn't have to have those expanders again.  I recently lost my expanders to infection and fear a future infection, especially in light of going in twice - expanders insertion and exchange.

    Thanks for the info.

  • Mykidsmom
    Mykidsmom Member Posts: 1,637
    edited February 2009

    Kmccraw - We are there for you lady! We are all truly sisters in all of this. You are most welcome. And Stonebrook will get back w/ you, I am sure! - Jean

  • DonnaDio
    DonnaDio Member Posts: 905
    edited February 2009
    Kmccraw...keep goin and keep goin forward as we are strong!!!With my surgery, i had no expanders. THE PS took a breast muscle and used that to hold my implants in. So far all is goin well and surgery was done 1-20-09.
  • kmccraw423
    kmccraw423 Member Posts: 3,596
    edited February 2009

    Jean and Donna - thanks for the support.  It means a lot.  Please keep me posted about the implants.  I'm seeing my PS on Wednesday and I will quiz him again.  He will be taking out the last drain from the last surgery.  I feel like I need a scorecard just to keep up with the complications!   Even if I have to go through having those darn expanders in, I am going to have a good facsimile of breasts.

    At any rate, it will be 4 or 5 months before anything further can be done so I will just have to cool my jets and will myself to heal.

  • DonnaDio
    DonnaDio Member Posts: 905
    edited February 2009
    Yes..kmccraw, cooling the jets is the hardest part for healing is eveything. Once i am cleared from the PS , then  I am to get ready for chemo. Today i should be getting more drains out!!! keep healing and staying positive~~~~!!!!Be well.
  • DonnaDio
    DonnaDio Member Posts: 905
    edited February 2009

     Have  a question for anyone who has had surgery. My shoulders always appear to be scrunched up and tense, where i am just not releaxed in that area. Wondering if this from nerve endings from the surgery process or what? Seems like a am always compensating in the shoulder area or something? Anyone have this occur?My husband says i at times seem to be walking like a robot and appearing very stiff. I am goin on three weeks post op.

  • fogandroses
    fogandroses Member Posts: 193
    edited February 2009

    Hi DonnaDio,

    Your post made me smile because my husband used to say the same thing to me.  I walked, stood, even sat with my arms held stiffly in front of my body. I had forgotten about that.  I'm not sure when but over time I returned to normal movement.  I'm 6 months out from bilateral mx and 3 weeks from exchange surgery and every day I gain momentum. I think I turned the corner when I started seeing a PT who specializes in post-mast. patients.  You are so close to your surgery date - you are really just beginning to heal and get your strength back so be gentle with yourself. 

    Hugs, Lisa

  • DonnaDio
    DonnaDio Member Posts: 905
    edited February 2009

    Lisa.. Thanks for the encouragment as it helps to know it is just not me!!! I see my P.S tomm and will see if  I should go to a PT.. I was trying to get out of that part!!! Chemo is next also, but have to heal more before i do that and that is for sure!!!! Hope you continue to heal and become whole on all levels!!!!

    Hugs,

    Donna

  • amudell
    amudell Member Posts: 6
    edited February 2009

    I am still having pain issues my exchange was Dec 2, 2008. The pain is like a stabbing pain to just an uncomfortable pricking needle pain exspecially where the expanders were. Its along the top of the ribcage. i feel so uncomfotable at times I want to take these implants out, but PS says this is normal and it goes away. I did have expanders in for 8 long months. My PS thinks that there shouldnt be any pain at all. Lately the pain has been in the center of the sternum, it gets so bad I   cant move at all and get comfortable. Is this normal to feel this kind of pain

  • amudell
    amudell Member Posts: 6
    edited February 2009

    Thanks to all of you that are on Breast Cancer.Org. Without this site, I would have lost mind along time ago. Its so wonderful to have you all here and the support is amazing. To all you women out there you are all my SUPERHEROS!!!!!!!! It is so great to have you all and to be able to find people who are going thruogh the same things as I have. You all have made me feel whole again Thanks Again for I am so grateful

  • fogandroses
    fogandroses Member Posts: 193
    edited February 2009

    Donna - what did your PS say?  Are you going to start PT?  Keep us posted on your progress. Just remember to take it easy.  This is a process with ups and downs.  An important lesson I've learned these past 6 months:  on the days you feel discouraged, don't compare the way you feel now to "the body you used to have".  Compare yourself to a week ago, or a month ago.  Then you'll see you are making progress.  You will get there and like me you'll say "oh, I used to walk like a robot, too. When did I stop doing that?!"

    Amudell - just wanted you to know that I'm having the pins and needles (whenever I take off the surgical bra) and stabbing pain once in awhile. If your pain is severe or worsening your doctor needs to listen to you and figure out if this is how you're healing or if something's wrong.

    And I ditto your last message.  I am so grateful to the women on this board!!!!!!!!

    Hugs, Lisa

  • DonnaDio
    DonnaDio Member Posts: 905
    edited February 2009

    Thanks Lisa...  @!!!!

    Amudell..  I am goin on 4 weeks post op with bial. mx with recond. My surgery was not with expanders. This PS perfected his surgery by using a  breast muscle to hold the implants and does not use expanders. The pain i have is more in m arm and think it is cording. Are you doin any physical therapy.?Like you, without this sight, I too would of lost my mind too!!!!!

    Thanks and all the BEST to you!!!!Healing thoughts....

    Donna

  • ailenroc
    ailenroc Member Posts: 308
    edited February 2009

    Hi Donna,

    Wow. You are already 4 weeks out from the mx. Good for you! Keep taking it one step at a time; it all will get better. Be easy on yourself. Your body needs to heal and needs the downtime. I know it is easy to get impatient and wanting to be perfect again ... now! (been there). You'll get there ... with time. Do all you can to heal, eat healthy, do PT (I have some ideas if you need them), and to do some happymaking activities .. whatever gives you joy and peace. Now is the time for that. Be proud of yourself for making it this far with a will to succeed; and proud of your body for doing its work to heal. I'm sending you a warm hug.

    Below some cording info. Most lymphedema exercises will work too once you are able to move your arm without much pain.

    I developed a few days after bilateral mastectomies and SNB in the right side cording: a severe and very painful tightening of the tissue (it seemed to be the tendons although not clear that it was them) underneath the right arm. It started in the axillary area and extended down my right arm, eventually to the wrist. The tightening became tighter over the following days, with actual ‘cords' like violin strings appearing on the inside of my arm. It was very painful to lift the arm or to extend it at the elbow.

    This is fairly common, about 15% of people get it (although I was totally unprepared for it). It becomes more manageable with massaging (very gentle) and with time. Do not apply heat! That can agitate or inflame your lymph system. Keep the arm as much as possible elevated to decongest it if cording should occur. Also, do keep moving and stretching the affected arm ... gently.

    What to do?

    I massaged 2+ x per day with a cream (Traumeel: available on line) which helped. But any light massaging may help. Keep all movements gentle: gentle massage, gentle exercise and stretches, lifting the arm as far as possible so it could decongest (although there was no visible swelling), flexing the wrist. All of it helped. Most of the cording disappeared over the course of the first 6 weeks. 3 months later I still had some tightness but the pain was gone and I had almost perfect range of motion. 6 months later, no sign of cording anymore.

  • DonnaDio
    DonnaDio Member Posts: 905
    edited February 2009

    Ailenroc...   My little Angel of wisdom is back!! THANKS!! All of what you said helps and as of Thursday I start physical therapy!!!Had an appt today at P.S, to have more fluid takened out and she did tell me to stretch my arm as you said and it all makes sense to me.

    The thing is i have to accept I am in a "Cancer recovering cocoon" and 95% of my time is caring on me and appts. Today goin to the Dr's was enough and about all i could do.  I have to look at where I was a few weeks ago to see where I am goin in the right direction!!!Good to know the cording goes away as it did for you!

    Thank you and let me know how you are doin since your last procedure!!!

    Healing Hugs,

    Donna

  • ailenroc
    ailenroc Member Posts: 308
    edited February 2009

    Hi Donna,

    I know, it is the pitts to keep up with all the doctor's appointments, PT, self care, etc -- but all so necessary.

    I'm relying right on the hope that things won't stay like this. I still feel like I spend way too much time on health issues, but, in all fairness it is so much better than it was months ago. I'm working full time; I go to the gym, and pretty much maintain a normal life now ... I'm just a bit stressed because the remaining health care issues do take time and are a constant reminder (looking at my breasts would be sufficient for reminders). It will get better for you too. That is a sisterly promise! Just indulge in taking it easy. Hey, there is an advantage to that ... before bc I had no excuse for taking walks in the middle of the day; cancelling meetings; catching up on reading good books ...

    Keep up your good spirits. Gentle Hugs,

    Cornelia

  • tiffany851
    tiffany851 Member Posts: 3
    edited March 2009

    Hi everyone, i am new to this and bare with me....i have DCIS low grade but will need a mastectomy ...so i said i wish to have both removed my date is 3/12 i will need to take tomoxifin which i am concerned about....and need in put. i will have reconst. with expanders. i work full-time and hope to be back t work in 4 weeks. God is my healer and i thank you for any any input.

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