Scared that I have Bone Mets!!!

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nobleanna007
nobleanna007 Member Posts: 641

Hi,

   I don't post often as I used to but I was wondering if anyone would know about this. I know we make certain proteins in our body due to the Her-2 but I just had some panels of bloodwork done for my Rheumotolgist who I see tommorrow. My Onc. thought it would save a step to get these blood panels done to check for certain Autiomune disorders. Since I have had a lower back and leg aches for months. And periodically got them before BC diagnoises and had MRI done 2 yrs. ago and showed nothing. I was somewhat diagnoised with chemo related neuropthy but its not in my feet or hands. So my oncologist is thinking I have something else going on. She does not believe its bone mets but some of my blood markers suggest a protein in my body which could indicate cancer floating around in this type of protein. I am wondering if being Her-2 is causing this although I have been on and off Herceptin for 7 months. This along with the pain in my back which is unrelenting 24/7 I am scared. I do have my scans coming up since its been a year. I know the specialist has not talked to me about this bloodwork up but yes I did my own online checking to see what it was and it just through me for a loop. It could be other stuff but of course the mention of the C word just makes you think crazy stuff. I am also triple positive and had 5/28 lymphnodes positive and being at stage III we all know the possiabilities.

Thank-you for letting me get this out and any answers would be great.

                                                        Bridget

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  • mich1224
    mich1224 Member Posts: 35
    edited January 2009

    Have all tests run and if you don't like the answer, get another opinion. Be vigilant. I just had a cousin that was misdiagnosed with fibromyalgia after original breast cancer. They finally realized it was bone cancer, but it was too late and she just passed away yesterday at 49. I'm sure her's was just a freak case and I am not saying this to scare you, but don't stop until you get an answer.  Best wishes.

  • Liz08
    Liz08 Member Posts: 470
    edited January 2009

    Bridget-

    The "C" word scares all of us don't let"freak cases" or uncommon cases scare you.  What's scary is when you look up info in the web it lists a whole bunch of reasons for blood work coming back abnormal and most of the time it lists as cancer can causing the blood work to come back abnormal as well. 

    You will get aches and pains that are not cancer related; especially if you had chemo and/or herceptin. Also after having cancer your pain receptors are alot more sensitive to pain than they used to be b/4 diagnosis.  Take it one day at a time and follow up with all of your doctors until you are satisfied.  If you are not satisfied with what your doctors tell you seek out other opinions until you are satisfied and feel comfortable with the answers you were given.  It may take alot of leg work and energy but the stress of worrying takes alot of energy too.  I recall what my breast surgeon who is a colorectal cancer survivor told me; worrying about the what if's whatt might never be is a big waste of time and energy and will not change what is and what will happen in the future.  I hope that comment makes sense and remember it came from someone who is a cancer survivor.  Keep us updated and keep posting your questions.  Another good resourceful forum for those who are her2+ is www.her2support.org.  Sending positive energy and (((hugs))) your way.

    Liz

        

  • nobleanna007
    nobleanna007 Member Posts: 641
    edited January 2009

    Thanks to everyone who responded,

          Today is the day I go and see what the heck is going on I am going to think positive!! Not that I want a autiommune problem but its better than the alternative thought. I did not sleep well at all last night. As we all know I won't get the full picture until they can figure out some things but I am hoping he can put the bloodwork test and what I read to rest. I think it will make me feel alot more secure. Its funny how others don't understand. They are like well it could be something else etc etc. but they do not realize the Big C is always looming over our heads whether we want it to or not. And I feel like I am usually a pretty positive person but when you have been on multiable meds for Neuropthy fibro etc and its not working and then you still have severe pain after your chemo has been over for 6 months you do get a little scared. I am only human and it makes so mad when people tell me diffrently and I should think a diffrent way or I am going to make myself sick. Well give me a answer why this is a issue and I hurt 24/7 and its in my face and then I will get over it. Namely my sister who gets mad at me when I say something. You would think I would learn to keep my mouth shut. But this time my mother called her. I told them if they don't cut it out and make me feel worse instead of supporting me I won't tell them anything. They hate that I go online and talk with you all they think I get to many bad thoughts in my head from reading posts etc. But you ladies keep me sane!! That is what I say to them. Sorry about going on and on but it just burns my butt!!!! I will let you all know how the outcome goes.

                                                   Thanks again, Bridget

  • nobleanna007
    nobleanna007 Member Posts: 641
    edited January 2009

    Hi all,

         Just thought I would write and say that all went as expected no autiommune disorder seems likely so more bloodwork to double check on what he read and what was high. Also did xrays on pelvic and legs. He will further evealute after CT/BoneScans. He does not feel that I have bone cancer even though I do have a redflag in my bloodwork he feels I would be further advanced by this stage. HELLO how much worse pain do I need to be in????? I really hope its not and its just pointing to nerve issues so I will be glad to get the scans done. I am calling today to find out why I don't have my date yet since they have been ordered for Jan. So good news and bad news I guess. I don't know I may just have to learn and deal with it. If I don't cut my legs off first!1 LOL!!!!

                                                       Bridget

  • Liz08
    Liz08 Member Posts: 470
    edited January 2009

    Bridget-

    well....you have not received any official bad news so that actually is good news Smile.    After you get all your scans and results...have you considered accupunture for the pain or may be seeing a natural path who can possibly advise supplements to help keep the pain at bay...just a thought....

    Atleast you have a sense of humor, which helps alot Laughing.

    Keep us posted and wishing you negative results.

    Liz  

  • fightinhrd123
    fightinhrd123 Member Posts: 633
    edited January 2009

    I couldve written your post.  I had really bad bone pain during Taxol though, and it went away, and then when herceptin started i got the pain back.  All in my legs and hips.  My onc has ordered a bone xray, but  i honestly think its the herceptin.  Did you do Taxol and have bad bone pain too?

    Laura

  • nobleanna007
    nobleanna007 Member Posts: 641
    edited January 2009

    Laura,

       Thank-you for replying I am sorry about your pain, but at least I have found someone who believes it could be the Herceptin. My Onc. says no its not but I truly believe it is. My NP at the Onc center wrote a letter for me and it states right in the letter that Herceptin can cause bone pain. So we are not crazy. I did not due Taxol but I did Abraxane and that can cause the same issues which my Onc. thought was neuropthy which I did have but its weird its never been in my feet just legs. Neurologist did all the emg and muscle testing and the only part that came back weird is when he stuck the needles in my legs I could not feel them. But for me it seems much more than just nerves its a terriable bone ache. I will be glad when I go for my scans on the 2nd and rule out those terriable thoughts going through my brain. Are you on any meds for this? I am on pain meds and cymbalta but it breaks through. I have a appointment with a pain management Dr. in hopes we can come up with something else. I don't do well with meds they do exact opposite on me. Its all so depressing I just want to be me again and I just can't get there.

              How much longer are you on Herceptin? I have to July I go for my muga scan soon also they have had to stop giving me it to get my numbers up and it still running at 50% so it will be intresting to see what it comes back at after another 3 months, I am starting to breath heavier.

                 Did your Onc. say it could be the Herceptin?

                                          Good to talk with you!!!!!

                                                      Bridget

  • LuAnnH
    LuAnnH Member Posts: 8,847
    edited January 2009

    Bridget, I have bone mets and have no clue what your onc may have seen in your bloodwork.  There is nothing in my bloodword to suggest I have bone mets so this bloodtest confuses the heck out of me.  do you know what they tested and what is out of whack?  If not, request copies of all blood tests run since the date he thought something was wrong.  You are entitled to those copies.  Then we can look at what he saw and figure out what he is looking for.

    I have RA and Lupus also and they were dx via bloodwork first.  I had such terrible pain and we found out it was from the RA.  I was on arimidex and it caused all those problems for me.  I am an odd case, not many people have such extreme reactions as I did.  Guess I am just a lucky person.  Anyway, get a bone scan or a PET/CT that will tell you for sure what is wrong.  If your onc does not do it show up in an ER, complain of the pain and tell them you had breast cancer, you will get your scan.  I would tend to bet that breast cancer is not the problem, sounds like you probably have degereative back disease or arthritis in your back.

  • fightinhrd123
    fightinhrd123 Member Posts: 633
    edited January 2009

    I have only had 3 herceptin, and i go every three weeks til december!!!  If you go into her her2 forum there is a good thread on herceptin side effects! Bone and joint pain is one of them, its just doesnt seem like its discussed much!!  I am going to talk to my dr on my next appt about it thats for sure!!!

  • Sassa
    Sassa Member Posts: 1,588
    edited January 2009

    The red flag could be the calcium levels in your blood.  Calcium levels may rise with bone mets.

    I have to remember not  to take my woman's vitamin (has calcium) or calcium supplement the morning I have blood drawn.  They raise my calcium levels and drive my onc crazy (and she is the one who told me to take the vitamin and supplement).

  • nobleanna007
    nobleanna007 Member Posts: 641
    edited January 2009

    Hi,

         I think I got my question answered. I hope!!!!!!!! It may be the herceptin causing its havoc in my system. I am ultra sensitive of meds. But I have mentioned this a couple of times to my Onc and she just refuses to believe it. I know others on the Herceptin thread have experienced the same SE so this is what I am hoping. I go for all scans after waiting forever for them to be ordered. I finally had to go over the Secetary who had the orders on Dec1st and as of last Friday had not done it after repeated phonecalls not enough to be annoying though cause she still blew me off. I finally talked to my Drs. nurse and explained how stressed I am about getting these done especially sense I did not have contrast on the last ones.Do to them not being able to find a vein without it blowing. I will find out Tuesday my results. Keep your fingers and toes crossed for me. I now am calmed down alot since I now know I am not the only one feeling this way.

        I believe my calcium levels are borderline, and my cr-creatin level was very high which my Rheumotologist said it can do this even if I have a sniffle. He redid the test and it came back normal. And I scared myself cause I did not know what that test was associated with and it mentioned possiable cancer issues I guess its a protein we make. I really need to stop looking things up and scaring myself silly, I don't know if I would be so freaked out if I was alesser stage then stageIII and being triple positive and Her2-+++ I have way to much time on my hands.

                      Thanks for answering me though I really appreciate it.

                                                             Bridget

  • LuAnnH
    LuAnnH Member Posts: 8,847
    edited January 2009

    bridget, watch your creatine level.  If that gets to high you could cause damage to your kidneys.  I know my creatine levels were running high and had to watch them closely.  I know RA medicines can cause these levels to run high also so be careful with that one.

  • nobleanna007
    nobleanna007 Member Posts: 641
    edited January 2009

    LuAnnH,

          Thanks for all the imfo you always give the best advice and you sure know your stuff. Its weird how much you learn going through this. I talk to my husband and he looks at me like I have 2 heads cause he does not understand a thing. I just wanted to thank-you and tell you how appreciated you are on these boards. You are always so kind to everyone. And if I could and this may sound like a silly question but I really don't know. The first set of scans I had last January were Muga, CT, and Bone Scans. I only went into 2 diffrent machines and I have heard others that they can see stuff on their bone scans I could not see anything. So I am not sure which machine actually does the bone scan. Also they did not give me contrast due to bad veins and they could not get it in. I was able to get it in for the Muga. Then when my scans were suppose to be ordered again this month I asked if they could do all 3 again and was told no you never do the muga with the others. I don't get it. They did write a report on the bone scan so I must of had it but I just don't know which one of the scan machines did it. Sorry if this is silly but I thank-you if you could tell me and what you think.

                                                       Thanks-LuAnnH!!!!!

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