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Frenchie
Frenchie Member Posts: 37

Hi guys

Our Radiation Onc has said there's no need to treat the full nodal clearance area (think she referred to it as the auxilliary area) as the surgeon removed everything.

Does this sound right to you?  Especially worrying, as I know tumours can appear under the arm in recurrence incidents.   

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  • sftfemme65
    sftfemme65 Member Posts: 790
    edited January 2009

    Hi there.  I had the same questions.  My onc, my surgeon and a rads dr all told me that they did not recommend rads because I didn't have 4 or more pos nodes.  I have always been concerned with this.

    Teresa

  • Frenchie
    Frenchie Member Posts: 37
    edited January 2009

    Hi Teresa

    Yes, our Doctor said something similar, but we persuaded him otherwise.  So Andrea is all booked in for the rads.  I'm just concerned they're not going to be treating her auxilliary area.

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited January 2009

    I must be old school (three years ago) they did rads over complete auxiliary area.  They told me just in case there is anything left behind. This is a good questions...I curious what other have done. Has it changed?

    Flalady

  • HollyHopes
    HollyHopes Member Posts: 497
    edited January 2009

    I had rads over axilliary (armpit) area. That was in 2007.

  • klp
    klp Member Posts: 1,770
    edited January 2009

    I had rads only over complete breast and then 5 boosts to tumor/scar area..did not have rads over axillary area...only 2 nodes were removed and both negative. Doctor said there was no reason to have rads in armpit.

  • jerseymaria
    jerseymaria Member Posts: 770
    edited January 2009

    i had 9 positive nodes and did do axillary rads.  i don't know if that was because of the number of nodes or just the fact that there were positive nodes.  that was my impression at the time ...fall of 06.

  • cp418
    cp418 Member Posts: 7,079
    edited January 2009

    I had one positive sentinode and got axillary rads and breast rads plus boosts to tumor scar.

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited January 2009

    I was remembering...I also had rads under my breast bone and around my back and up my neck to the top of my throat.  I think they knew then I was in for a battle. I was told they were going to do a very large area.  Same week of my last rad appt...the skin met appeared on this side?

    Flalady

  • labpsb
    labpsb Member Posts: 40
    edited January 2009

    Hello Frenchie,

    My wife Lynne had high dose radiation over the entire area (arm, shoulder, neck, breast) after AC and then weekly Taxol, before radical surgery and all the nodes were removed.  After surgery with the margins clear she did another 12 weeks of Taxol with Carbo.    Eight months later she has a fast growing Grade 3 Trip - tumor under the arm that had all this treatment.

    Surgeons will not operate again due to scans showing nodules in the lungs.  We met with the radiation panel today and they agreed to not rule out radiation again even though they all say she is at/over her limit.   

    So if your going thru radiation I would suggest you consider having them hit every area aggressively, in my opinion being trip - warrants the extra precaution.

    We will be putting our hopes now on Chemo and prayers not necessarily that order while we continue to wait for biopsy results from the lung.

    Best of luck to you,

    Paul and Lynne

     The hell started     May 07   Trip -  Grade 3 Stage 3b IBC IDC

  • SoapMaker
    SoapMaker Member Posts: 157
    edited January 2009

    I did not have any rads to the axillary area...just the breast. I think they try to avoid the axilla, as much as possible, so as not to increase the risk for lymphedema.

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  • Frenchie
    Frenchie Member Posts: 37
    edited April 2009

    Sorry to bump this guys.

    We see the Radiation Onc tomorrow, and I just wondered whether there are anymore opinions/experiences out there on the matter.

  • MicheleS
    MicheleS Member Posts: 937
    edited April 2009

    I was told "no rads" because I had a mastectomy and had neg nodes.  I'm currently doing AC X4(DD) and 12 weekly T (+ Avastin).

    edtied to add that I was told that if I had had even a single + node, I would have gotten rads after chemo.

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited April 2009

    We had a radigoloist as a speaker this weekend at our support group meeting.  She was all for everyone getting rads.  Again as in most treatments your chances of it helping you is about 30%.

    But this is another side too the story.  Two years ago I had my IBC in remission with a couple of nodes in the chestwall.  So I was sent to my local research hospital and did a surgery trial with a PET Probe to look for this nodes.  After having this done I spoke with the head of bc surgery for this clinic.  He told my rads do some good things as in keeping a recurrence more local for a longer period of time because the damaged tissue in the area makes a net to hold the cancer cells into one area longer. The bigger problem is if you have a recurrence to this area, chemo will have a harder time delivering enough chemo back into this area because of damaged blood supply and tissue.

    So it's another point of damn if you do and damn if you don't. 

    Flalady

  • Frenchie
    Frenchie Member Posts: 37
    edited April 2009

    Hello everyone.   Thanks so much for your replies.  

    The Rad Onc has agreed to treat the Aux area.  She said there's a small risk of Lymphadima, but happy to give the most aggressive radiation.  

     Thanks again. Smile

  • TNhusband
    TNhusband Member Posts: 24
    edited April 2009

    Hi Frenchie.  My wife also had 2 nodes positive - similar situation as you but 3 cm tumor.  We consulted two radiation oncologists and they both recommended radiation in the axilla and also into the clavicle area.  We were told there have been some studies overseas supporting radiation of the axilla nodes in pre-menopausal women with less than 4 nodes positive.  They did mention the increased lymphedema risk but felt the benefit outweighed the risk for her.

  • HollyHopes
    HollyHopes Member Posts: 497
    edited April 2009

    I had no positive nodes but received rads as well as chemo and lumpectomy...it's hard to know what the right course of treatment is, but once you make a decision...stick to it with confidence!  I wish you all the best..keep checking in here - it is a great source of support and info.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited April 2009

    Hello, Frenchie and TNHusband,

    Just wanted to suggest some simple lymphedema risk reduction precautions that your doctors may not have found the time to share with you:

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/riskreduction_for_lymphedema.htm

    Best bet by far, though, is a referral now to a well-trained lymphedema therapist for baseline arm measurements, individualized help with risk reduction, learning a gentle prophylactic lymphatic massage, and fitting for a compression sleeve and glove or gauntlet (fingerless glove) to wear following each rads treatment and for travel or exercise. Here's information on finding a well-qualified lymphedema therapist near you:

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Finding_a_Qualified_Lymphedema_Therapist.htm

    Please pass along some gentle (((hugs!)))
    Binney

  • Jeanne_D
    Jeanne_D Member Posts: 175
    edited April 2009

    I am in radiation too and for the reason that just incase there is something left behind...the radiation will kill it. 

  • tibet
    tibet Member Posts: 545
    edited April 2009

    How long is it usually to start the rads after chemo?

  • Frenchie
    Frenchie Member Posts: 37
    edited April 2009

    Thanks Binney.  This is a link to great advice.

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