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  • LauraK23
    LauraK23 Member Posts: 159
    edited January 2009

    Hi Warrior,

    I just had my expanders exchanged out a week ago so I've been through many fills.  I had to sleep propped up for about 6 months.  My first two fills were 60cc's each and weren't too bad.  After those fills, the pain got worse.  If you have a fill and you're in pain for a couple days, then cut your next fill back by 20cc's.  Not everybody experiences pain as I did.  I hope you do well.

    Laura K

  • warrior
    warrior Member Posts: 86
    edited January 2009

    Mykidsmom, you're right, I had the BM back in May.  I wish I could of had the expanders put in at the same time but no luck.  My expanders are not that big apparantly.  I am striving for a C cup in the end.  I'm not sure right now how much they will be filled at each appointment but I expect it to be very little, I'm pretty tight already!

    mom of  2, I will try the neck pillow.  I find getting up out of bed is the hardest also.  I have most of the pain/pressure near the top of my expanders and in the middle towards my sternum. Like you said, hopefully the pressure will get better as the fills progress. Good luck Thursday.

    Thank you both for responding!!

  • warrior
    warrior Member Posts: 86
    edited January 2009

    Thank you LauraK23, I hope the exchange went well for you.

  • sam1991
    sam1991 Member Posts: 331
    edited January 2009

    This is my first forum and I'm so glad I found it. I am BRCA 1 + with no cancer. I had a BSO on 11/20/08 and my prophylactic mastectomy on 12/10/08 with immediate reconstruction, My PS injected 360cc at the time of surgery. He waited a month before my first fill and was able to inject 100cc. Last fill will be next week....then I guess another "overfill". I am in constant "pain". I am allergic/sensitive to many narcotics and the over the counters don't do much. Glass of wine with girly friends works wonders! I am just glad I'm not alone. It's been tough....Lots of tears. I'm a hospice nurse of 13 years so I've seen it all. I have my moments....but am so grateful that I am changing bras/binders 8 times a day for comfort and not wigs. A heating pad has been comfortable for the back pain....just be sure it has an automatic shut off!! My support and admiration goes out to all of us....women and men who prove we can survive...no matter what. Looking forward to my exchange surgery....nips are over rated....they are for looks only at this point!! I'm done after the exchange....I have beautiful patients and their families waiting for me to come back to work.

  • Jackie300
    Jackie300 Member Posts: 23
    edited January 2009

    Sam,

    I'm just wondering when you are planning on going back to work. My PS wants me to go back to work the first week of Feb. and I think that is to soon. My BM and reconstruction was 12/2.  

  • sam1991
    sam1991 Member Posts: 331
    edited January 2009

    Jackie

    I'm scheduled to go back sometime in Feb.....either the week of the 16th or the 23rd. Whenever it is,I will just be starting partime. My back hurts if I sit too long and I can't concentrate once the pain sets in later in the day. My employer has been fabulous. I used my FMLA. You're entitled to 12 weeks. I'll be managing the office at first,,,,,then I'll get back out to my patients, Trouble is....I'll probably be out again end of March for exchange surgery....for a couple of weeks anyway, My PS won;t let us drive if we're still on narcotics,,,,didn't know if you still were.....that would be a reason to stay out a little longer....it should be your choice anyway......not PS

  • traceyz
    traceyz Member Posts: 745
    edited January 2009

    Oh yes! The expanders do cause rib cage pain. They kinda sit on your ribs.

    BTW Lorraine, how much do you have in if you dont mind me asking? I have one more fill and it will put me at 600. I wanna be a FULL C. Oh and you are soooo pretty!

    Take care ladies,

    Tracey 

  • Wren
    Wren Member Posts: 324
    edited January 2009

    I had expanders from October of 2007 until my exchange in June of 2008. Every fill hurt... and every fill required me to take a muscle relaxer and some kind of pain meds for at least three days. I went slowly with the fills and usually didn't get more than 60cc per fill on each side.

    I remember some nights just sitting up holding a pillow and crying from the pain until I fell asleep. My final volume on each side was 770cc before my exchange.

    I waited three months after the last fill until surgery when I got 700cc silicone implants.

    I can sleep on my tummy or sides now, and I am in no pain. I can say that it was worth all the suffering through the fills because I have exactly the same size breasts as I did before my bilateral mastectomy, only they don't droop. I can even wear my old bras if I wanted to!

    Anyway, get the least amount of saline per fill that you can tolerate and go less often. There is no race to get filled. It's all at your own pace.

    Just think, I had 770cc on each size (expanded to 10% more than my final fill size) so that is like three typical water bottles I was carrying around on my chest! No wonder it hurt.

    The good news is that it's a process and usually doesn't hurt after they muscles stretch and you have the exchange.

    Hang in there.

    Hugs!

  • Linda54
    Linda54 Member Posts: 2,689
    edited January 2009

    WREN,

    Hello

    Haven't heard from you in a while.  How are your nipps and areolas doing?  And your eyelids?

    Hope you are well.  Maybe I will get my nipps in March.

  • sam1991
    sam1991 Member Posts: 331
    edited January 2009

    Jani

    If you are still here.....thank you thank you thank you.......I tried lying on my stomach like you described.....oh my god......it was the first time since my BM with TE that I can say I have had zero pain....I think I'll stay on my stomach till my exchange!!! I couldn't believe it was comfortable. Opened the tear gates I cried. Thank you...eternally grateful.

  • Jan1
    Jan1 Member Posts: 326
    edited January 2009

    This forum is so informative.  I had right mastectomy 12-29-08.  I am just 3 weeks post op, with a tissue expander in place.  I was wondering how much discomfort was realistic.  The tissue expander is wide, hard and very firm, it feels like it is rubbing the ribs and my armpit area.  Lying down is the hardest part, trying to get the arm out of the way.  I have found that the U shaped micro bean neck pillow help a lot.  I can shape it to fit under the arm, yet leave an open area for the breast to not have contact with pillows or my arm.  I am so relieved to hear that the implants actually may give relief according to tri.  I do know that everyones experience is different.  I see the oncologist next week.  I have to make the decision to go on Tamoxifan or other hormone inhibiters. I am + for estrogen and progesterone receptors.  I really don't want to take these medications, the oncologist said she would be less inclined to put me on the drugs if I had the mastectomy since they would be little chance of cancerous stragglers left behind.  This is new to me, and I am learning as I go, but want to make safe informed decisions.  Jan1 

  • Jan1
    Jan1 Member Posts: 326
    edited January 2009

    Thank you for the muscle spasm confirmation.  I am 3 weeks post op, right sided mastectomy with tissue expander.  The spasms are most irritating, but now that I know that they are a normal part of the tissue expansion, I can deal with it, I thought something was wrong.  The PS did tell me about the hardness and discomfort, but not the muscle spasms.  Thank goodness for you women that have walked this journey and offer encouragement to those that are at the beginning of the walk.  I am small breasted, B cup normally, they put in 200cc at the time of surgery.  The PS put in another 100cc on the 14th of January, and I am to go back on the 28th for what he thinks will be the last fill.  I don't want large breasts, just small C's.  I am debating weather to leave another week for the the next fill as I am having so many spasms, or just endure it and get it over with.  Any thoughts?  Jan1

  • Jan1
    Jan1 Member Posts: 326
    edited January 2009

    God Bless you, I have found such comfort in this forum, knowing that I am not walking alone in the sea of misinformation is so comforting.  I am returning to work on 2-2-09, surgery was on 12-29-08.  I work outdoors for the Dept. of Food and Ag, as a supervisor, but there is a lot of physical activity to my job.  My employer is so amazing and will allow me to do as much or little as needed while I recover.  I need "normal" right now and being busy at work is a normal process for me.  I do worry about the stress with cranky employees that have a chip on their shoulders, as right now my coping skills are not what they were 4 months ago.  Thanks you to you lovely women for being candid about your experiences, it allows us "newbies"  to know that there is a light at the end of the tunnel.  Jan1

  • Jan1
    Jan1 Member Posts: 326
    edited January 2009

    I had my first fill on 1-14.  It was pretty uneventful.  I have a mentor tissue expander in place, filled with 200cc at the time of the mastectomy.  The fill process went like this for me.  I am in a wrap around gown, in a reclining chair.  The PS uses a magnetic locater to find the port area on the breast, which he marks with a purple pen.  He then filled a syringe with 100cc of sterile saline fluid that is attached to tubing with vents to aid in the filling of the tissue expander.  He did tell me that I would feel a little prick as he put the needle in,  I really would say since my breast has numbness I really didn't feel the needle much.  I did feel the fluid pressure as the fluid went in, not painful but pressure.  The process took about 5 minutes, he removed the needle and put a dot size band aid on the area.  It was no biggie at the time.  I was concerned about pain since I had fluid buildup from having the drain taken out the Friday before.  I had my drain in for 12 days, and was still draining 60cc per day, so that was another issue.  The feeling of pressure and muscle spasms are the biggest annoyance.  The worst time for me with the fill and my tissue expander is in lying down and trying to get comfortable.  If I didn't have my U shaped micro bead neck pillow,  I would be very cranky, it is the one device that helps me get comfortable.  My husband bought it for my a year ago at the airport as a gift,  I thought I don't want to lug this around when he bought it for me, but I didn't tell him that.   I had no idea what this gift would mean to me a year down the road.  Jan

  • fairy49
    fairy49 Member Posts: 1,245
    edited January 2009

    Hey Tracey! Thank so much for the compliment! I have in 540CC's right now I think we are aiming at 600 with a 650 implant, however have had a little bit of a setback, developed an infection in the right foob yesterday, was in the emergency room for 6 hours last night on IV antibiotics, still have the IV in and a nurse is coming today to show me how to infuse myself for the next 7 days, jeez one thing after another!! So frustrated as I was due to have my last fill tomorrow Cry I am trying to stay positive, this morning it doesn't look any worse, so I am hoping when they do the 2nd infusion tonight we will be ok, fingers crossed!!!

    Lorraine ox

  • Wren
    Wren Member Posts: 324
    edited January 2009

    Hi Linda,

    I am doing pretty good, thank you. My nipples and areaolas, and eyelids are all healed up. My husband says that my face looks younger but I really don't notice a big differency until I go to put on eyeshadow and there isn't as much skin.

    The areolas are still dark pinkish/purplish so we are waiting a few months for them to settle down and then I will get tattoos.

    I'm satisfied with what I have for now so there are no plans for any further surgeries, so that makes me smile.

    I hope your nipple/areola surgery will go well. It really does give a nice finishing touch.

    Hugs!

    :)

  • CAZ
    CAZ Member Posts: 678
    edited January 2009

    Lorraine,

    I'm so sorry you've been hit with an infection.  You were so close to your goal.  Hopefully, you can kick this quickly and get on with it.  I'll be thinking about you.

    Carol(AZ)

  • Jan1
    Jan1 Member Posts: 326
    edited January 2009

    I have a question, what were the symptoms of an infection?  I am having what seems to be the typical pressure and pain associated with the tissue expander.  It would be helpful to know what to look for as S/S of infection.  This was not something that the surgeon or the PS mentioned as something to monitor for.  Thanks.  Jan

  • abinneb
    abinneb Member Posts: 550
    edited January 2009

    Jan1 - not sure of all the symptoms of infection as I was clear of any of that thankfully, but the PS and BS both said ANY kind of fever over a couple of days duration should be checked.  And any significant redness or swelling of surrounding surgical area should be checked.  Severe pain that doesn't dissapate.   Your PS should have given you some instructions on what to look for, but you can always call the office and ask the nurse if there is something you might have questions about. 

    Best wishes,

    Amy

    (edited:  I think I was told any fever over 101 for a number of days needs to be checked)

  • Jan1
    Jan1 Member Posts: 326
    edited January 2009

    Thanks Amy, when you are going through the process, there were a ton of forms to sign and I have put them in a notebook.  I looked back and there was written information about risks such as infection.  Your specific information was helpful and in more detail.  I bought a 3 ring binder and put dividers in it.  I keep all surgical records, mammogram, MRI reports under one tab,  Lab, pathology under another.  Dr information under another,  disability, insurance information under another tab.  I have often found that I have my own medical information that physicians don't have, so it is helpful to carry it to MD appointments expecially the ones you don't see very often that may not have all of the updates.  Jan

  • Estepp
    Estepp Member Posts: 6,416
    edited January 2009

    LORRIANE....SOOOOOOOOOOOO sorry.. how did you know it was infected ?

  • traceyz
    traceyz Member Posts: 745
    edited January 2009

    Lorraine,

    I am sad to hear about your infection. Did it come from a fill?? I hope it is getting better it sounds like you are on some kick ass drugs, so hopefully it will be gone before you know it. We can both get our last fills, our exchange, and get past the recon process! When are you gonna do your exchange? My PS is saying end of March or early April. It sounds like a lifetime away but it really is just around the corner. Well feel better and know that this was just a minor bump in the road. Chin up kiddo cus this to shall pass!Wink

    Tracey

  • fairy49
    fairy49 Member Posts: 1,245
    edited January 2009

    Hi Ladies! thank you so much for all of the warm wishes!! I wanted to let you all know how I discovered the infection.  First I didn't have a fever at all, and haven;t had one since it started so there was no warning, also my last fill was 4 weeks ago so that wasn;t it either.  I had gone for a walk/light jog on Tuesday morning and put on two bras (per my PS) to avoid any movement.  When I got home got in the shower and when I got out noticed a very small red area almost near the mound of the foob, not near the incision.  Thought it was just from the bra and the sweat etc so didn't really think anything more. Something made me check it during the day at work, and it seemed larger so I thought I would keep my eye on it, again no fever no pain nothing, I was super busy at work so around 4:45 I checked again and it was bigger still, so I called my PS she told me to come down straight away.  She said it was cellulitus probably brought on by the skin irritated by the tightness of the bras, sweat etc, so I spent most of Tuesday night at the ER on the IV antibiotics, I will be on them for 14 days and am infusing at home which is definately more user friendly! On a positive note, I went to the PS this morning for her to check and she said it seems to be responding well, redness is going away slowly, she said they have to be aggressive when you have a foreign object in your body because if the expander gets infected (not just the skin) they have to remove it and you are back at square one, I was very scared.  She is so confident that we caught it and its responding to the meds that she scheduled my exchange for Mar 3rd!!! Oh, my dear friends I am beyond excited!! So that was a upside to my day definately!  the fact that I have to walk around with an IV thingy in my arm for two weeks is just a minor glitch! :) in the big picture.

  • Jan1
    Jan1 Member Posts: 326
    edited January 2009

    Wow, Thank you for the information.  I had a weird indentation on my "foob", great term by the way.  I will watch it closer now. I think it is because my old bra's don't fit the wider foob as well as with my natural breast.  I have another question, how far apart did your PS schedule your fills?  I had my fist one at 17 days post op, and am scheduled for the second and hopefully last fill next Wednesday.  He does the fills 2 weeks apart.  The pain from the first fill is just now settling down today, but the muscle spasms are still there.  Thanks for sharing, all of you are making this journey a lot easier for me.  BTW, I grew up in HB.  Jan

  • Estepp
    Estepp Member Posts: 6,416
    edited January 2009

    I had my surgery Dec 29th. I started 50cc fills the following week. I get two 50cc a week. Tues. and Fridays. I will be where I want to be by the end of next week. Small C cup. So from surgery to being full.... 1 month. I do not have stretch marks ( I do use cocoa butter) and I take Demerol daily.  This is my fill schedule Jan.

  • Estepp
    Estepp Member Posts: 6,416
    edited January 2009

    I suppose I should add.. PS tells me I could go as slow as I need. He has ladies that can only handle 50cc every two weeks and others like me. I think it just depends on our chest muscles.

  • new_becca
    new_becca Member Posts: 5
    edited January 2009

    Hi, Jean

    I hope you can stay strong and keep your mind positive. I can't share my experience with cancer but I want to give you some tips that can help you through the treatment :

    - create a resting place, invest in cozy sheets and pillows to make your sleep comfortable, add a radio or CD player for soft soothing music and a journal in which you can catalog your feelings and fears.

    - use low impact exercise, such as yoga or tai chi, to quell your anxiety. Deep breathing exercises also can lower stress. Exercise releases endorphins that can raise your mood, and consistent exercise can increase your energy.

    - buy a selection of foods that are easy to eat, in caseyour appetite wanes or vanishes. Try sherbet, yogurt, instant breakfast driknks, protein shakes or fruit smoothies.

     - be aware that side effects may not vanish once your chemotheraphy treatment ends. As you attend follow-up appointments with your doctor, explain which symptoms are lingering.

    I wish I could give you more information and support, but I promise you have my prayer. Maybe you can look something up in here www.talkaboutcancer.cn

  • traceyz
    traceyz Member Posts: 745
    edited January 2009

    New Becca,

    Just wanted to say that you gave some very good tips!Wink

    Tracey

  • sam1991
    sam1991 Member Posts: 331
    edited January 2009

    Hi all

    Wow....3am has got to be the lonliest place. Even my faithful cat has sought refuge from my constant moving in search of comfort,,,,she'd rather my 17yr old son's room with espn reruns and Green Day playing on the computer 

    My doctor put me on Neurontin today for the nerve pain and I have to say it is helping,,,,that and and Ativan for my breast spasms....and the ones in my head too...LOL

    I am 6 wks post op BM with TE. I've been through it all including a consult with the pain clinic. Thankfully I live close to a teaching hospital with a very reputable cancer center and pain clinic.

    My next fill is Tuesday. It makes me initially feel better because I'm not sloshing around inside feeling like I could offer the whos of whoville world class surfing. It's the 9-11 days after that kill me but hopefully the neurontin will settle the nerve pain. I have 460cc in now....started at 360cc and I've only had one 100cc fill.

    Implanto can't come soon enough. Thanks for being her at hmmmmm....now 4am. Must have been the steak and garlic mashed potatoes I had for dinner. My poor withered stomach must have had a mini stroke when it saw what was coming tonite for dinner,   Long live Rolaids and Prilosec OTC.

    Strength to all. We will get through this. Haven't gotten this far to give up.

    Peace and sleep to you. 

    Sam 

  • Estepp
    Estepp Member Posts: 6,416
    edited January 2009

    Sam, hang in their girl!! I think it is awful for ladies to have that much pain. I pray this fill will NOT cause you pain.. or anyone else going through this expansion process... !!!

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