SEs from Herceptin???

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  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited December 2008

    Hugs to you ladies. There is so much going on in our lives - I feel that my treatments have taken over my life and I am almost obsessed with reading and knowing more and more about the side effects and statistics.  Maybe I read too much, worry too much, but it is MY body and I want what is best for me.  

    I am not a lab rat or guinea pig, I am doing what has been successful for others.  Unfortunately, there are still no guarantees that once the cancer is cut out along with chemo and radiation -- that it will not come back.   My surgeon made me laugh when she said it took me 62 years to get this and it probably will take another 62 for it to come back and I may not live that long !!!   I then reminded her that my mother is 95 years old and had radical bi lat mast back in 1962 and SHE is still alive ...   

    Ask for something to relax you during treatment.   There is no shame in asking - the shame is suffering.    

  • mamakaren
    mamakaren Member Posts: 225
    edited December 2008

    Bold~ thank you for your kind words i really needed them today. Everything is okay and back to normal so i start Herceptin tomorrow.  (bitter sweet feeling) You were right about me being okay. I wonder if anyone has taken Herceptin less than a year Thanks. I hope that your appt goes well and i will pray for you.

    Lots Of Love,  Karen

  • mary6204
    mary6204 Member Posts: 373
    edited December 2008

    Just thought I'd add my 2 cents.  I had my 4th to the last Herceptin treatments this afternoon.  I have absolutely no s/e, although when I had the chemo I was sick as a dog.  I actually enjoy going to the doc's and getting the Hereptin tx's .  The nurses are all great and I've become friends with one of them in particular.  I might actually miss going there.  I'm very happy that I am able to receive this wonder drug.  God Bless and good luck, Mary  P.S. I've had no changes in my heart either!!!

  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited December 2008

    I had a bit of that funky mouth sensation, but figured it was the chemo wearing off or due to surgery drugs.   I have some taste back, but some foods taste downright rotten.  Cranberry juice is one of them - like licking the bottom of a dumpster...   I am keeping in mind that all these drugs have cumulative effects and it would not be unusual to develop some kind of side effect as more is added to my body.   

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited January 2009

    Hi, great thread!  I want to share my experiences with Herceptin.  I have had 9 tx's to day--took Nov and Dec off, but guess I will start back up in Jan....Undecided

    This is what I experienced while on Herceptin (they disappeared during these 2 months I have been off):

    Neck Nodes are hard and tender, cervical and thoracic spine pain unbearable (I have pre-existing condition and it was intensified by Herceptin), Water tasted like salt, My eyelashes fell out twice!!!, but I didnt have to shave my legs very often Surprised, My urine smelled like chemicals, and I would smell this "sour grass" smell thinking my shoes were soured or something--but they werent, SLOWWW hair growth (its been 8 months since my last AC and my hair is only 2" long!)(but it has grown 1 of those inches during this break), extremely fatigued starting about 4p daily, finger nails peeling, horrible acne--esp on my neck, back and forehead--.  Edited to add: runny nose and painful feet in the morning (but as soon as I walk a minute it goes away).  My nose is still runny but my feet dont hurt in the AM since I have had this 2 month "break"

    My doc kept telling me all this wasnt herceptin as "no one has SE's from Herceptin"- but I havent had any of these SE's since October but I bet they come back in Jan!!!

  • flyrzfan
    flyrzfan Member Posts: 557
    edited January 2009

    forwarded form a friend, bumping for now.

  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited January 2009

    Welcome, Bonnie.  Glad you found this thread.   As I keep telling myself, it is NOT all in our heads.   

  • HensonChi
    HensonChi Member Posts: 357
    edited January 2009

    Am on my third herceptin alone and I get a runny nose the day after the infusion.  I find that to be my most annoying side effect.

  • fightinhrd123
    fightinhrd123 Member Posts: 633
    edited January 2009

    Those that go every 3 weeks, how long does your transfusion take?  I was suprised i was in and out in an hour or so for my 2nd dose.  Is that normal?

    Laura

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited January 2009

    Yep.  I am usually in the infusion room 40 ish minutes.

  • WendyTY
    WendyTY Member Posts: 112
    edited January 2009

    I wish mine took 40 mins.  I'm still around 90 mins.  Just had my 2nd Herceptin only treatment on 12/26.  I'm having some unusual side effects (chest pain).  Had to go to the ER after 1st tx.  Issue is with my lungs.  I was just happy to hear that it was not my heart.  I also have problems when I initially get up and start walking and with the runny nose thing.  I feel like I'm an old lady But...things could be much worse.  So I am thankful.

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited January 2009
    you will feel older as it goes along,....... joint pain !!!!!  Yell  i took 2 months off because of it. i start back up in january
  • carpediemocc
    carpediemocc Member Posts: 53
    edited January 2009

    I was freaked out about the heart issues too. My MUGA score was a 73!

    I've been on Herceptin weekly for about 7 weeks now and I feel fine. The only side effect I have experienced is a running nose occasionally.

  • mamakaren
    mamakaren Member Posts: 225
    edited January 2009

    I'm going on my 9th and boy does every joint in my body lock up. When i sit down and then get up it's torture.  Other than that i still get headaches and feel as is i'm off balace. I'm trying not to think about my mammogram results. I know i'm gonna be fine i keep telling myself but it's not working. I also get the drips from the nose and weird taste in my mouth after Herceptin eapecially when i'm drinking water. I hope everyone has a good Saturday!!

    Lots OF Love,  Karen

  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited January 2009

    If you have a port, ask them to flush it     S L O W L Y     or that funky taste can linger for a long time.  I was going to invent a nose diaper from the runny nose.  Can anyone comment on finger and toe nails?  Mine are horrible, half dead finger nails and most of my toe nails are gone.   This happened with AC chemo, then taxol and herceptin.   I am now on Herceptin only every 3 weeks.  Can I hope for my nails to recover soon?    

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited January 2009

    Yes lefty my nails peeled to.  This past two months during my "break" from Hercep, they have stopped, so the good news is, it stops when Hercep stops.  Bad new is, I start back up Jan 13th.

    I forgot to tell you about the bad taste.  My nurses keep sour lemon drops for us "herceptin" ladies and they work fabulously!!!  so get something sour to suck on from start to finish and you wont notice the bad taste.

    One day after I got my Hercp treatment, I went for a run.......BIG mistake, that taste came back during it with a vengance and my pores were excreting the "smell" !!!!!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2009

    Good morning, ladies, and I really do mean Good morning - as in it's great to be alive.  Thought I would share this:  I completed a year's worth of Herceptin 2 years ago and had no bad SE's from the treatments, just peeling nails (still not right 2 years later), etc. A friend was diagnosed a year earlier than me, with a very nearly identical profile. She got the standard protocol and then started Herceptin, but had to stop due to life-threatening SE's.  After many, many complications, R. passed away the week before Christmas. Same age, same diagnosis - big difference seemed to be that I was able to take Herceptin and she was not, and she lost the fight.  I feel like I've dodged a bullet.

     My feeling is, if your onc and cardiologist feel that you're tolerating the treatments and you're able to tough out any SE's, hang in there. At least for some, the difference between Herceptin and no Herceptin can be life and death. SE's are temporary; life, hopefully, goes on.

    Blessings to all.

  • snowyday
    snowyday Member Posts: 1,478
    edited January 2009

    Well I'm so glad that Moodyk wrote her side effects with Herceptin, now I believe I'm not going crazy or a wimp.  I feel like crap on it, I have so many se's I can't even write them down, I want off of herceptin so badly, but I know I shouldn't so I will continue until my muga's are bad.  I just really want a break from it.  I'm so damn tired, and I know it's the herceptin, not the chemo because I started herceptin almost a year after chemo was finished.  I'm tired of being tired, of my swollen belly, joint pains, kidney pains and on and on.  Every day I keep hoping my body will adjust and it isn't.  I hate when my onc discounts my se's, because no one gets that, so he gives me something to relax me.  Great, I just wish they knew more about it.  I have been scouring the San Antonio Cancer Sym to see what I can find out about new se's or facts on herceptin and I'm slowly getting there, always seem to want to go to sleep, that's my problem can't focus and get tired so end up off line.  Oh well, guess I have to put up with it.  By the way, I'm going to be a Grandmother in July and really want to feel better for that day so any ideas on food, or exercises ladies I'll take it.  Thanks for listening to my whining.  Big hugs everyone.  And thanks so much Moodyk. 

  • mamakaren
    mamakaren Member Posts: 225
    edited January 2009

    I hear you gals, that Herceptin is really hard on us. I'm with you snowyday  Herceptin makes me feel off balance and I can't focus on anything. It's a battle everyday to have to stay focus. I'm 100% sure your gonna love it! I've been a Nana for 3months and this little man has stole my heart! He gives me strength when i don't even have any. It's like my mind tells me I have to get better because he needs me along with my little daughter who is 6 yrs. I also tell my onc about SE and they say oh no i don't know of that being a SE and I know that it is the Herceptin only because I was off of it a little over a month and felt great and now I feel not to good. It gives me problems with my sleep and panic. I hope that everyone is doing great and have started the new year very well considering the shitty cards we have been dealt.  Have a great Sunday night everyone and thanks for reading my post.

    Lots OF Love,  Karen

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited January 2009

    snowyday, you are welcome.  my onc doesnt believe me either.  but I know they are real.  But I want to tell you, I have taken these past two months off.  my last tx was 10/28/08 and I will start back up 1/13/09.  My doc said it wouldnt hurt a thing to take a break, just not longer than 3 months.  He said some have to if their heart function starts to drop.  Say ask your onc about taking a break.  It has DEF helped me!  And now I am ready to go back and finish this up.

    Happyme wow what a story!  Was your friend satge 0 and node neg too?  Reading stories like that reinforce to me why I will start back again w/ tx's.  Scary!!!

  • carlag67
    carlag67 Member Posts: 40
    edited January 2009

    I started my herceptin with my taxol and finished that in September.  Since October, I have been taking herceptin only for 60 minutes per session every 3 weeks.  Supposed to be 1 year total.  I have all kinds of side effects but how do I know which one did it?  LOL  The doc says "That couldn't be from the chemo"  Yeah right... My joints ache all over.  especially my feet and every time I lay down at night and try to get up.  I think I need a crane to lift me up.  It hurts so bad.  I thought it was just me getting old.

  • carlag67
    carlag67 Member Posts: 40
    edited January 2009

    SnowyDay, you are right. These doctors say it can't be from the meds because it hasn't been reported.  Well, how about I AM REPORTING IT TO YOU RIGHT NOW I AM NOT CRAZY!!!  They just do not know what to do about it.

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited January 2009

    carlag67, yeah my feet do the same thing.  I am taking my list with me when I go back next Tues and gonna tell him to tell SOMEBODY.  He'll probably tell his trash can though...LOL

    One big reason I have taken these 2 months off is the joint pain.  But sweetie, I hate to tell you this, the Taxol CAUSED the damage, the Herceptin just makes the damage hurt more.  I had a bone scan before I started chemo and the ONLY thing that "lit" up was the arthritis in my upper spine.  I had 2nd scan in Nov and I had "uptake" in EVERY JOINT in my body.  It was symetrical so not cancer, but the diff between the two was heart breaking! 

    Doc said chemo eats bone cells to and he was right.  Dang.  I went right then and got calcium supplements, have no idea if it will help...

  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited January 2009

    Is anyone taking a vitamin B complex?   Women's one a day vitamins has them in it and it has helped ease the bone/joint pains.  It is not gone, but I am not as stiff when I sit and then try to get up without acting like a 200 year old...    A calcium supplement and vitamin Dis a good idea for any over age 40.   The one a day has it also, but I add another 500 mg of calcium with D.   

    Interesting thing is every time I go to the infusion center, previously for chemo, and now for Herceptin only, they ask about side effects and record them on a computer.   I remember when my toe nails died and lifted off the nail bed that the onco did not believe me and I showed her.   She just stood there and said nothing.    I realize that each of us will react differently, but there are things that cannot be denied.   

    I can be happy that I sold my split level house with 4 sets of stairs and moved into this single level apartment before I began treatments.   Otherwise I think I would be crawling up and down the stairs.    

  • jeanne46
    jeanne46 Member Posts: 1,941
    edited January 2009

    I've only had four injections of Hereptin - every two weeks with my other chemo cocktail (Navelbine and Avastin).  I swear I've been more tired since I started Herceptin; some days I can nap in the afternoon for a few hours and still go to bed at regular time.  I'm also experiencing very slight nausea that I didn't seem to have before.  And my fingernails, though not lifting or turning color, seem to be even thinner and split constantly.  My nose runs all the time, but always has since I've been on Avastin.  I hate it when folks tell you that Herceptin is so easy - no SEs. Thanks all for sharing - at least we know we're NOT crazy.

  • mamakaren
    mamakaren Member Posts: 225
    edited January 2009

    That's so true we can't even really detect what SE's are from what meds we take. All I know is that i just started Herceptin again and I feel like crap! I feel off balance and everyone bone in my body aches. I sit for a little and when i get up it takes about four steps before my back straightens out. I still have severe pain in my wrist and my hands fall asleep and tingle all night. I'm having trouble sleeping due to the pain and swelling of my hands. I can't believe i still have about 9months to go! I was wondering if anyone has had feet problems? My feet are peeling like crazy I had to put Vaseline and then put my socks on. My poor hubby had to feel my feet like sandpaper they would even get caught on the blankets. All you gals are probably on cloud nine while i'm like a crazy nut here still up trying to get sleepy.  I'm so glad that we have each other to get by all this craziness!!Yell Hot flashes are making me crazy!! Goodnight

    Lots Of Love,  Karen

  • lilith
    lilith Member Posts: 543
    edited January 2009

    Hi girls, interesting read.

    I have just finished last november my Herceptin treatments. I have mostly been lucky - or should I say, relieved to see how much easier than chemo it was. hm. I didn't notice any specific side effects, but after reading you - I am finally understanding why my nails have never recovered after Taxol. Actually, I think they were better during taxol than now!!! I keep having nails breaking and peeling off. hopefully it will now gradually get better....

    Yes, I also have the joint pain. Not sure if it is herceptin or Tamoxifen? who knows. I hope it is the herceptin - that one is out now... I guess evaluating SE is difficult, we are all taking so much stuff that who knows what is producing the SE???

    Hugs.

  • moodyk13
    moodyk13 Member Posts: 1,180
    edited January 2009

    Karen I can assure you I am not on cloud 9, I am not depressed, but certainly not happy about any of this (not that anyone would be LOL)  Did yoou take a break from Hercp too?  I have taken two months off, starting back next Tuesday.  I have 9 to go and just want all of this behind me sooooooo bad.

    Here are my thoughts about SE's and Herceptin:

    1) Because the SE's most of us have listed here compare NOTHING to the "Big Guns" chemo, they are easier to deal with.  Most of us can carry on our lives with little disruption versus chemo, where I had a driver, caretaker, no work, bald head, etc.  I think that is why doc's and the drug maker says there are no SE's or are very little.  It is all relative......

    2) The drug has only been used for adjuvant therapy for 5 years, meaning more women are getting it now, so there are going to be new SE's from what was previously recorderd, and ones that were listed, are going to have higher % rate for occuring, AND possibly more intense than previously recorded.  I don't know if the drug company has updated their SE database.  Some of you say your docs enter your SE's into the computer, mine just shakes his head then says, "I dont think it is Herceptin".  SO........................................there you have it.

  • ejlj
    ejlj Member Posts: 211
    edited January 2009

    My 2 big toe nails died as well.  I noticed it when I was receiving neo taxol/herceptin treatment.  They seem to be growing out now that I'm only receiving the herceptin.  I thought for sure it was the taxol, but now reading what you all have been saying, maybe it was the herceptin?!?! 

    I feel like I've been hit by a mack truck the day of my herceptin infusion.  My oncologists office told me that I shouldn't feel a thing,  so the  first day I received it I also made plans to work.  Big mistake!  I felt tired and achy, and also like my head was some how disconnected from my body.  Now I plan my day accordingly i.e. infusion then sleep (for hours).  I'm pretty much good to go by the next day.

    Moodyk13-I'm glad you decided to stick it out!

  • GramE
    GramE Member Posts: 5,056
    edited January 2009

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