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  • knitkrazy
    knitkrazy Member Posts: 2
    edited December 2008

    I really needed this thread this week--talk about good timing.  I'm 52, had a uni mast 3 years ago this month and had opted for no reconstruction.  I adjusted well to having a flat side (gotta love that Amazon warrior look--no breast to get in the way of the bow!).  Going braless at home and on errands in loose clothing was fine, but at size D cup, the remaining breast was hanging a bit low and uncomfortable without a bra.  I retrofited a few old bras by removing one cup and attaching a stretchy fabric in it's place that would lie flat against the boobless side.  This was actually pretty comfortable, but clothing just does not fit properly when you have one flat side and one D side. My tops would get all twisted around me.  Even those that were fairly loose would shift toward the boob side.

    My first prosthesis (a size 09/D) was an Amoena "temperature controlled" model (can't remember #).  It was heavy and by the end of the day, I just wanted it away from me.  Last January I replaced it with a somewhat lighter Amoena model, but I still don't like it.  I've gone to several stores (Nordstrom, specialty boutiques, etc.) and they tell me the fit of both the bra and prosthesis are correct, so that's not the problem.  I don't like it because: a) it's still noticeably heavy on my chest wall, b) it often migrates toward my remaining boob, and c) when I lie down while wearing it, it sits up firm while my own sags to the side.  (You wouldn't think you do much lying down in public, but you'd be surprised.  I have this horrible photo of me last year lying back to kiss the Blarney stone and all you see is this big protruding mound!)  Not the fault of the prosthesis, but I also only have cleavage on one side (kinda odd in bathing suits or certain tops).

    My girlfriend went through a breast reduction this summer and raves about the results, so I started thinking about a reduction on the remaining boob.  But 3 weeks ago, I had "abnormal" results on the mammo screening and even though they don't think there is any cancer, I've realized that I don't want to go through this "what if" anymore and I'm now discussing a prophylactic mast with my onc surgeon.  She totally supported my decision 3 years ago to not have recon, but she also knows that I have not been happy with the prosthesis. She recommended a consult with a PS.  I loved the guy (empathic, took lots of time to explain everything) and came away considering reconstruction on both sides.  But then I remembered all the reasons why I chose not to recon the first time around--major surgeries, and the associated risks, to implant or rearrange my healthy (accept for the cancer) body, pain, discomfort with the idea of having foreign objects in me, pain, horror stories I read on discussion boards, did I mention pain? 

    So here I am back in a discussion board, reading your posts, and wondering what to do.  I think I'm really ok with flat-chestedness at home, with friends, out and about in the neighborhood, but I'm not so cavalier at work.  I teach at a university and there are 20 pairs of eyes staring at me as I stand in front of the classroom.  It may be a projection, but I swear that when they are bored with the lecture, they all spend their class time judging my appearance (oh, that sounds really narcissistic!).  If I eventually get beyond this self-consciousness, then boobless it shall be, but right now I can't imagine being flat-chested at work.  If I don't opt for recon, this means TWO falsies and I already don't like the one!!!  Common sense tells me I can get smaller, lighter falsies, but are they really comfortable???  Anyone else go through this "hate the falsies" issue and come out happy? 

    Sorry for the long, long post, but I really needed to get this off my chest (haha!) today.

  • anianiau
    anianiau Member Posts: 182
    edited December 2008

    knitkrazy, I have only worn the 'puffies' that came with my surgical camisoles, and only when I go out. (They are useful in keeping things from touching the surgical area, which hasn't healed yet.) These 'puffies' are much smaller than my real breasts; my bras were a 42DD. Yes, I plan to get prostheses--in the equivalent of a B cup, and light in weight.

    FYI, here's more info to consider. My husband is a medical physicist. He talked about breast reduction to the radiologists with whom he works and passed along to me the information that a breast reduction can distort the breast sufficiently to make 'callbacks' more likely during future mammograms. That was one more reason that nudged me to go bilateral.

    My sympathies regarding the students and feeling your appearance may be 'judged' when you are in front of the classroom. My father's squamous cell carcinoma resulted in the loss of his entire nose. I was in college at the time, but I followed his progress through what seemed like an endless series of plastic surgeries as he attempted to have his nose reconstructed. Not only did cancer threaten his life, facial disfigurement made appearing in public very hard for him. Your post made me think of his courage in remaining socially active and continuing to work in a position at a university that put him in daily public contact advising students. When I think of my situation, I realize how lucky I am. With breast cancer, the prosthesis/reconstruction issues can remain private if I choose. Some cancers don't leave us with that option.

    Good luck to you.

  • knitkrazy
    knitkrazy Member Posts: 2
    edited December 2008

    Anianiau, thanks for putting it into perspective for me!

  • lilith
    lilith Member Posts: 543
    edited December 2008

    Hi...

    I hated the falsie. And, I am BRCA2+.

    So, after the initial mastectomy, I opted for a bilat. and asked the doc to fit in DURING the second mastectomy - 2 implants - small or whatever made most sense. I was adamant I didn't want to live with expanders. I didn't care about big boobs (been there, done that), but I wanted a normal fit in clothes - I work in corporate environment, and I often chair big meetings and conferences (knitkrazy, I don't think you are narcissistic, rather quite realistic...).

    So I was done in one op only. I am not the same size as before, but I didn't want that, I am more or less symmetrical, and can jump off the bed and get dressed without a bra if I want to (small silicones stand up! at 45 that is a pleasant thought). The way I see it, I just wear the falsies under my skin, so they are lighter, they don't rub, and I don't have to worry about how they droop.

  • jkfran
    jkfran Member Posts: 38
    edited December 2008

    I am newly diagnosed with DCIS.  I elected to have mx.  Set for Jan 20.  Like everyone else I'm scared to death.  My mom died of breast cancer about 32 years ago.  It seems like I have just been waiting all my life for this.  I am overwhelmed and just don't want to have to decide about reconstruction on top of everything else.  I am leaning towards just waiting?  Any comments. This is a great site.  Thank you all.  The support is unbelievable.

  • GryffinSong
    GryffinSong Member Posts: 439
    edited December 2008

    jkfran, waiting is an entirely reasonable thing to do if you're not sure yet. My surgeon was very supportive when I said I didn't want reconstruction, and made it very clear that if I changed my mind in future, we could do something then. The overwhelmed feeling is so common, and so devastating. I think giving yourself time to adapt, by taking it one step at a time, makes perfect sense.

    Hugs and good luck!

  • lilums
    lilums Member Posts: 37
    edited March 2009

    yes - don't feel pushed into deciding now if you have doubts - I almost did the recon just because I felt pressured by my surgeon - I am glad I waited - I didn't end up doing it (10 years out now) though I know many have success and are happy with it, for me, the surgery etc was just not something I was comfortable with. I have had ups and downs re forms - I've tried many and continue to search for something I really like. I know of women who love the forms they have - are very happy with them. It's a journey - day at a time! Best of luck with the mastecomy - give yourself time.

  • car
    car Member Posts: 492
    edited December 2008

    I've been following this thread though I opted for reconstruction immediately upon dx. My decision might be different if my cancer were more aggressive and if it were bilateral. As I told a friend of mine, I just couldn't go w/the "Amazon look" and I have a low risk of recurrence. I did get pushed toward saline implants at first--I had researched the BS and the comprehensive cancer center thoroughly, and though the PS was well recommended by the BS and the RNs (always listen to the RNs), it failed. I have been delighted w/my DIEP reconstruction, though I had it a year later due to work obligations. If I do have a recurrence, I'll have an autologous reconstruction in a heartbeat. That said, had the cancer been diagnosed in both breasts, I might very well have opted for no reconstruction.

  • sweeeeetpam
    sweeeeetpam Member Posts: 115
    edited December 2008

    Hi There,

           My surgery is sch for Monday dec 29, I have decided against recon, I am 55 there seems to me that their are a lot of bras out there that would work better than the items that you don't like??!!

                               I went and looked at those and they do not look comfortable. Lots of people say they just use the puffys they get at the hospital. I am anoius to get this over with and hope I am not tooo sad at the whole thing!!  I know their are gel bra's out their too could we not rmove one side?? Just a thought. Good luck with your decision!! Pamela

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited December 2008

    Pamela,

    Best of luck with your surgery. I was 57 at the time fo my bilateral mastectomy, so a similar age. I have found many mastectomy bras uncomfortable for me. I was someone who always disliked constricting bras and, since surgery, I find them even more uncomfortable, especially those that come up high under the arm (which many mastectomy bras do). On my non-profit website, BreastFree.org, I've listed some mastectomy bras that women seem to find particularly comfortable--check out the Bras and Camisoles section. Some of them are bras I use myself. Also, you might check out the Breast Forms section--I've tried to find the most comfortable breast forms around and a number of them can be worn in unpocketed (regular) bras because they are silicone with fabric backing or because they're totally non-silicone. 

    Hope this helps.

    Barbara

  • GryffinSong
    GryffinSong Member Posts: 439
    edited December 2008

    I'm only ten days post surgery, but have not missed my breasts at all. I've looked at my chest every day since surgery, and besides thinking it looks bizarre in its current state of puffy, slightly bruised, taped, stitched bumpiness, it doesn't bother me to look at it at all. I can't imagine, for me, going through further surgery, pain, and recovery just to have them back, especially if they feel as oddly tingly/numb as my chest feels now!!!

    Hugs to all, no matter their recon decisions!!! :)

  • jkfran
    jkfran Member Posts: 38
    edited December 2008

    Thanks for all your comments.  I have decided not to go for recon now.  I am scheduled for mx on Jan 20.  Then I will just concentrate on healing. I'm 54 and my dh is very supportive of my decision. 

    Gryffin Song,  How are u feeling after 10 days.  How's it going with the drains.  I am very nervous about that.  I guess it just something else to focus on. 

    Erica, when is a good time to search for and purchase forms and bras?

    Does anyone know insurance companies policies on delayed recon?

    Thanks again.  Hugs to all.

  • sweeeeetpam
    sweeeeetpam Member Posts: 115
    edited December 2008

    Hi Everyone, well think of me at 530am tomorrow!!!..............I am going to fight with mysurgeon to try to stay 2 days, I only have my husband and daughter and neither are tooo excited about helping with the drains!!!

                     I had my chemo first, which was never really explained to me, so i am hpping not to have to do it after!!  My lump is gone or at least I cannot feel it anymore, thank you sooo much for all of your comments, they really help. Because of all the negative recon comments on here  and my own personal choice I decided against recon, too much pain for me.

                     Wish me luck and i will be on again as soon as I am able too!!! Pamela 

  • digger
    digger Member Posts: 590
    edited December 2008

    I hope it's okay to post on this thread.  I just wanted to put in my two cents for what was right for me.  I'm very small breasted, so with a unilateral mastectomy five weeks ago, I did the tissue expander.  I'm too thin for the tissue transfer procedures, so the expander was my only choice.  My husband was fabulous and said he didn't care what I did, he just wants me healthy, nor did my breast surgeon care, she also just wanted the cancer out.  I must say that with just a little bit of a fill at the time of the operation, I came out of the OR with almost as big a foob on my left side as the natural one on my right side.  The only problem is that the foob is now where my boob used to be when I was 17, the other natural boob is in its 47-yr-old position.  I don't think I'm going to touch the healthy boob to make it even and will just wear a good bra when this is all over. So, I guess while it's obviously such a personal decision, I'm thinking that those of us with smaller boobs to begin with might have an easier time with reconstruction? 

    As an aside, the husband of a good friend of mine told her, when he found out I had breast cancer, that he didn't even think someone with such small boobs as mine could get breast cancer...ignorant, uh? 

  • GryffinSong
    GryffinSong Member Posts: 439
    edited December 2008

    "Gryffin Song,  How are u feeling after 10 days.  How's it going with the drains.  I am very nervous about that.  I guess it just something else to focus on. "

    Physically, I feel quite good. I can walk around, do minor tasks, carry light things, and so on. The drains are a little uncomfortable, and I'm hoping to get one or two of them out tomorrow. I'm off of pain meds for the most part. The overall experience hasn't been too bad. I'm able to look at myself, and at the stuff draining out, but sometimes feel frightened and lost. The surgery itself, emotionally speaking, seems to be the least of my problem. More difficult, for me, is the feeling of my life being out of control, of having failed the last few years of my life, and fears around taking care of myself, especially during a difficult winter without my full strength.

    I'm very glad I chose not to reconstruct, because the pain is minimal, and I'm not having any of the issues that recon patients seem to have with pain and such.

    Hugs and good luck!

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited December 2008

    I had my surgery same time as GryffinSong and we seem to be healing at the same rate! The drains are more of a nuisance and itch, sometimes uncomfortable to lie on and every once in a while you tug on one too hard, but the stitch holds. I am still draining over 50 cc's a day on my left side (SNB) and can't get the last drain out! I really don't want to go into 2009 with a drain in. Crossing my fingers for Tuesday when the nurse comes back.

    I am not going to wear foobies and have already gleaned my wardrobe of clothing I can wear to work. As everyone at work knows what I have been through, I don't feel I have to wear anything. I have jackets that cover most of my chest and have bought beautiful tanks in gorgeous colours to add a shot of distraction. I'm finding it harder to find casual clothing and am looking for waisted items that can "slouch and puff" across my chest instead of pulling flat.

    I was a 42D (after a reduction!) and am so thrilled to not have breasts that I think I'm still in denial. I do find that I am fixated with other womens' chests on TV, when before I didn't even notice. I know I'll shed some tears down the road... 

  • Erica3681
    Erica3681 Member Posts: 1,916
    edited December 2008

    jkfran,

    Most women are ready to be fitted for breast forms between four and eight weeks after surgery. I've met some women here who were fitted as early as two weeks after, but for most of us four weeks is the minimum time necessary for healing. I was fitted at four weeks, but later wished I'd waited a little longer. My incisions were basically healed but I still had some sensitivity. It was hard to judge at that point what would be comfortable a few weeks later.

    One thing I've found is that just as reconstruction is a process, learning to live breast-free is a process too, requiring trial and error before you find the most comfortable (and attractive) breast forms and bras. It's very individual. Some women, like Barbe (who just posted above), opt to go flat. I admire that solution, but so far I feel too self-conscious to go without forms. I really want to look as good in clothes (or better) than before my surgery, which for me means having the appearance of breasts. Initially, it was challenging to find things that were comfortable AND looked good. Over time, I discovered lightweight silicone forms with fabric backing that I wear in little non-pocketed bralettes. My favorite bralette is by Maidenform. I've never had a problem with a form migrating or falling out, even though the bra has no pockets. For exercise, I wear an Amoena foam leisure form (Style 126) in a Still You Tank Top (really a classic camisole with pockets), usually with a tee shirt over it. This works for me and I'm quite active. Other women wear mastectomy sports bras or find various other solutions.

    If you check out my non-profit website, BreastFree.org, you'll find suggestions for breast forms and bras that I and other women have found particularly comfortable. Also, if you check out the Helpful Links section, under "Post-Mastectomy Products Online," there are links to several websites where where you can browse and get an idea of the large number of breast forms and bras that are available. When you're healed, it's best to go to a certified fitter, who will hopefully recommend forms that suit your size and needs.

    For the time just after surgery, check out my Post-Surgical Interim Solutions section for ideas about camisoles and puffy forms to wear, plus other suggestions to make things easier while you heal.

    Hope I didn't overwhelm you. Best of luck with your surgery.

    Barbara

  • mich1224
    mich1224 Member Posts: 35
    edited December 2008

    I am also trying to decide whether to have recon or not.  I met with a PS today.  I am eligible for either implants or TRAM.  I am pretty set on no implants. I don't like the idea of them in me and knowing replacing will be needed every 10 yrs or so. (I'm only 45). That leaves me with TRAM which is the most involved. So, either lots of pain and longer recoup or no breasts. I think I can handle no breasts since I'm not that big to begin with (36B). My hubbie is fine with whatever, but quite a few family and friends feel I should have recon (I guess psychologically they feel I will feel better). So with most everyone saying I should have recon, I am more confused. No one says "I wouldn't have recon". This is the hardest decision. It helps though to read everyone's posts on this website. 

  • digger
    digger Member Posts: 590
    edited December 2008

    Don't listen to your friends, listen to yourself.  My friends, particularly my mom, were "of course you're getting reconstruction, so you can just go on as normal."  I think it's easier for those around us to see that we look like we did before, it somehow makes them less scared for you.  But, life has changed, and we will be forever changed, whether we look like it on the outside or not.  So do whatever your heart feels is right for you, and you only.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited December 2008

    Mich1224, I have definitely said NO! I am only 50 and have had huge breasts for over 37 years. I had a reduction years ago, and the breasts I just lost were a small 42D! I am thrilled to have no breasts! My surgeon said it was easier for thinner women to handle and I know why. My belly looks larger, like a toddlers', kind of stuck out and off balance for now but I am just out of surgery. I have already found a dozen things to wear to work that look great, my hardest thing is casual wear but I went out today in a patterned t-shirt with a jacket over and no one could tell what size my breasts were, never mind that I didn't have any! I am sure that I will stand and move better without the weight. From what I've read on this site the problems some of the ladies have with the foobies shifting and sweating and not sagging....just doesn't make it worth it.

    My hairdresser was the only one who said "But you're in sales, you have to keep them!" I told everyone else, "Why should I wear fake breasts to make YOU feel more comfortable?" I am sure I'll have a melt-down or two (I have 2 of my kids getting married in 2009 and want a really pretty dress, please God!), but so far I am so happy, my surgery is behind me and I can go on NOW like normal.

    Good luck in your decision! 

  • jkfran
    jkfran Member Posts: 38
    edited December 2008

    I am lucky most of my friends have agreed with my decision not to have recon now.  I am 54 and been married for 30 years.  My husband is also supportive of my decision.  I just couldn't stand to listen to options for recon.  Couldn't meet with another doctor.  So I am going with my gut.  MX on Jan 20 with no recon.  I feel I can always opt for it later.  Thanks to all of you for your support.  Today is a bad day.  A little teary.  But most of the days since diag 12/19 have been ok.  Went shopping for silky pjs this weekend. I decided to splurge and not worry too much about price.  I deserve it and so do you. 

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited December 2008

    This thing about "what other people think" is really interesting.  Thank goodness my dh was the only person I had to please.  Once he saw the video and the pre- and post-photos of the various types of recon (at the PS's office), he pretty much OK'd my decision to skip the recon.

    As far as what other people think:  what in the world are they doing, thinking about your breasts?  If you were very small/flat to start with, would they be going around fretting that you should have breast augmentation surgery?  If you're large, do they pull you aside and gently suggest you ought to have those big ones reduced a bit?

    What business is it of theirs, anyway?

    Maybe I've been lucky.  People in my family are still very self-conscious about "private parts."  Only one person has even asked if I had reconstruction.  That was one of my in-laws, and it was after-the-fact.  She phrased the question very cautiously, and it wasn't offensive at all.  No one else has even mentioned it.

    otter

  • jkfran
    jkfran Member Posts: 38
    edited December 2008

    how long were you off from work after mx?

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited December 2008

    Um, well ... my situation was a bit different.

    I retired 6 months before my BC was dx'd, so I didn't have to worry about going back to work.  I had two drains; the first was taken out after a week and the second after 10 days.  Once they were gone, I had no restrictions on mobility.  I had "discomfort", but it wasn't really pain--more like muscle spasms.  I also had some swelling in my armpit and chest wall (side) that needed attention, but it wasn't anything serious.

    So, if I'd needed to go back to work, I think I would have been okay by about 3 wks after my surgery.  Another week or so would have been better, but not essential.  I was a college professor--I taught some small-group classes and some with as many as 96 students.  I also did a lot of desk work--reading, reviewing, and writing stuff.  No heavy lifting was required.

    otter 

  • jkfran
    jkfran Member Posts: 38
    edited December 2008

    otter,  I am so overwhelmed it was just nice hearing from others (here and at home) that it is okay to be overwhelmed and that there is no wrong decision (recon or not) 

  • NancyNJ
    NancyNJ Member Posts: 128
    edited December 2008

    I was completely freaked about whether to have reconstruction or not. Leaning towards no reconstruction I went to a boutique and looked at the prostetics and I was really impressed with them which made me feel a whole lot better. I would suggest anyone on the fence might want to take a look and ask questions - it really helped me make a decision.

    Happy New Year.

  • sweeeeetpam
    sweeeeetpam Member Posts: 115
    edited January 2009

    Hi Everyone,

        Well I am done my surgery was Monday, and I did not recon.  They almost over dosed me on morphin..........I was in a coma like state for the first 14 hours.........they thought it was my reaction to the anthessia............I finally was awake enought by 5am the next mrning to scream no more morphin, they thought I was in pain so they kept giving me more...............with in two hours of being taken off that stuff I was fine.

               I have had no pain except this horrible tight ace bandage which the nurses were afriad to loosen, I slept on my side last night, only stayed one night in the hospital, nurse came to my house today...............to explain drains etc, ace band comes off tomorrow, I plan to put a bandage on my scar as fast as I can and put a shirt on, don't want to deal with that yet!!!

                To the ones deciding its what in your heart, only you will know what is under your shirt, with all of the bras today only you nd your lover will know.  I sometimes laught at all of the plastic boobs that are out their for vanity sak and here we are worring for a real reason.

                 You can always do it latter and if you read some of the problems people have had on here it is scary a little. I will write again tomorrow!! Pamela 

  • PuddinTame
    PuddinTame Member Posts: 128
    edited January 2009

    jkfran,  I had a uni-mast 12/22.  I planned to go back to work on 1/5.  However, I'm not getting my drain or staples out until Friday 1/2.  My range of motion is not great.  I'm still taking pain pills at night to sleep (not really working tonight so far) and sometime during the day because I have feeling along the incision so the staples are pulling and stabbing.  I decided to wait until 1/12 to go back--3 weeks.  I think I'll be really able to work at my desk job instead of being sore and zombieish.

     Blessings to you!

    Lori

  • angeljoy
    angeljoy Member Posts: 128
    edited January 2009

    For those concerned about drains:  I won't deny they are a nuisance, but they are not too difficult to deal with. They pinch a bit and I think that often made it hard for me to sleep. Emptying them, etc. was no big deal for me. When I went out, I obsessed over how to hide the bulges from them. It's easier under winter clothes. Just wondering...could they not somehow make them smaller?! You could just empty them more frequently right? I've had them several times and each time I had them removed I immediately felt 10x better! That being said,  I hope you will all find that the reality of drains is not as bad as the dread of them.

     I too think it's interersting when people feel the need to weigh in on whether or not you have recon, what type, etc. When I had my mastectomies, I knew I wanted to at least try recon and what kind, so I guess I never gave anyone the chance to suggest otherwise.  When I had to have one implant removed and decided against further recon for now, there were people I told and people I just told I had surgery because of "reconstruction issues".  There are friends and even family I may never tell that I didn't have recon. I don't think they'll be able to tell by looking at me. And it's really none of anyone's business anyway.

     God bless you all,

    Angela

  • sweeeeetpam
    sweeeeetpam Member Posts: 115
    edited January 2009

    Hi There,

          I am 4 days out and today is the first day I showered.   I just held my drains  w ith one arm and used soap with the other. I feel better   out of my pj's   I just got my news my margins are clean but 21 nodes were clear, 3 were cancer, so I guess I may still have to do somw chemo, already lost my hair so what else could happen??  sorry for the spelling errors this is my daugher's lap top and I hate it!!.

        I still m to chicken to clean my drain area....................so I don't think I am going too!!! I go in Monday to get drains out!! Hope all is well with you all!!!  Pamela     

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