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Having read a thread that turned adversarial about the benefits or not of conventional treatment versus alternative treatment, I'm not sure where to get the information I seek, so I'm starting a new thread to ask specifically for that information.

I've had a single total mastectomy on Monday of this week.  I've planned to start my "cancer diet" at every interval in this process that I thought would be the final one.  Lord willing, this is it (although I haven't heard from the surgeon with the final path report so there's still a little breath holding going on).  Assuming this is it, I need to position myself to 1) fend off any further cancer stuff that might be going on in what's left of me and 2) build up my system for a reconstruction that I might have in the summer so that I'll have an easier recovery.

I welcome any suggestions on vitamins, suppliments, diet, nutrition, exercise that anyone has found beneficial.

Thanks in advance. 

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  • baywatcher
    baywatcher Member Posts: 532
    edited December 2008

    Kateful-

    There are 2 books that you should read. The first is "The China Study" by T. Colin Campbell. The second is "Anti-Cancer" but I don't remember the author but it is a new book. You can probably get these from your library. Dr. Campbell explains what foods are cancer promoters. A diet which is high in plant based foods is recommended. That is what I am doing.

  • car
    car Member Posts: 492
    edited December 2008

    My onc recommended a similar diet. A friend has the book, so I'm not sure of the title, but the author is Walter Willett, a Harvard MD who has worked on the Nurses & Professionals studies.

    I've always been physically active and had a low BMI (tended to wear a petite 4), but I'm down to 105 (at 5'2") which is the lowest I've ever been in my life. My onc and PS both say that this is a good weight for me, even though I feel underweight and I've dropped down to a petite 2.

    I've got to say that I feel good on it and it's one of those might-help-can't-hurt sort of thiings.

  • digger
    digger Member Posts: 590
    edited December 2008

    Just a word of caution.  While I certainly believe in a good diet and good eating habits, I've always eaten healthy, exercised, and am a petite 5'4'' at 105 pounds.  Still, I got breast cancer.  All my friends were absolutely stupefied that I got it because I always seemed so healthy.  So, I certainly believe in being healthy and it sure can't hurt, but for me, it didn't protect me.  And I don't have any family history. 

  • car
    car Member Posts: 492
    edited December 2008
    Yikes, Digger. I didn't want to imply that you could avoid cancer completely w/diet, BMI, and exercise especially since we live in increasingly toxic environments. However, what we eat (the Willett diet strictly limits animal protein in exchange for monosaturated oils, nuts, and legumes) and much more vegetables and fruit than the US requirements may play a role. It is clear that these dietary changes are stronger for other chronic diseases than cancer, but it is something that I have control over. Might as well give it a shot.
  • PuddinTame
    PuddinTame Member Posts: 128
    edited December 2008

    Thanks for your responses.  If diet could cure or totally fend off cancer, I guess Hostess and LIttle Debbie would be out of business by now, eh?  :)  I do just need to be healthier and be in a good physical shape to do reconstruction this summer.  Thanks!

  • phoenixrising
    phoenixrising Member Posts: 139
    edited December 2008

    A good site to monitor your nutrition is www.nutritiondata.com

    If you're ER+ ground flax is of benefit and if you do a pubmed search on omega 6's and breast cancer you'll see that it appears to stimulate growth however I don't remember if that is for everyone or just post menopausal.

    If you're premenopausal I think a lower fat intake is important from what I've researched but I don't think it makes much of a difference in post. 

    Lots of exercise when you feel up to it will give you strength and the usual fruits and veggies.

    While you are healing I think it would be a good idea to up your protein making sure it is a quality protein.

    Good luck to you with your healing.

    jan

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited December 2008

    kateful,

    Please fully understand you pathology and what it means before proceeding.  Your Stage and Grade along with receptor is very important in your treatment options.

    I see you are a fellow sister in Christ so I also listed some christian books that helped me in my early journey with this disease.  Please read and read some more.  There is no one shot with treatment.  You must apply multiples to get the response you want.  May the Lord guide you of the next week and months.  Feel free to contact me if you need more info.

    Best place to purchase - Half.com & Amazon.com or Library 
     Look under used they are like new books.   
              
    Breast Cancer - Books      
              
    1Your Breast Cancer Treatment Handbook-Judy C. Kneece RN OCN
     (best beginner book written by Oco Nurse lot of years exp.)Smile 
              
              
    1A Journey Through Cancer - Emile Barnes - Christian writer) 
     Stories of Hope, Healing & God's Faithfulness  
              
    2Desperate Hope - Barbara milligan    
     Experiencing God in the midst of BC    
              
    3Advanced Breast Cancer - Musa Mayer   
     Living with Metastic Disease     
              
    4Living Beyond Breast Cancer - Marisa C. Weiss MD  
     Survivor's Guide      
              
    5Chicken Soup for the Sole - Breast Cancer   
              
    All Cancer Patients      
              
    1Cancer 50 Essential Things To Do - Greg Anderson Smile 
     (check list of things you should know about your treatment) 
    2Love, Medicine & Miracles - Bernie S. Siegel MD  
     How to have a winning attitude    
    3         
              
              
    Spiritual Battle       
              
    1The Battle Belongs to the Lord - Joyce Meyers  
    2Harnessing The Power of Fear - (all fears not just cancer) Dr Ken Nichols
    3Serenity - (Hallmark stores?) handbook of scriptures  
    4Don't just stand there pray something - Ronald Denn  
     Power of intercessory prayer     
    5The Word, The Name, The Blood - Joyce Meyer  
    6When God & Cancer Meet - Lynn Eib    
    7Finding the light in cancer's shadows - Lynn Eib  
    8Never Lose heart - Joyce Meyer    
              
              
    Health        
              
    1What to eat if you have cancer - Maureen Keane MS & D. Chance MS
              
    2Walking in Divine Health - Don Colbert, MD   
     (Christian doctor)      
              
    3How to prevent and treat cancer with Natural Medicine -4 top doc's
     This works with standard treatment & side effects (patrick Quillin also in this book)Smile
     These doctor started Cancer Centers of America  
              
    4Challenge Cancer and Win! - Kim Dalzell PHD,RD, LD 
     Nutrition by specific cancer     
              
    5Outsmart your Cancer - Tanya Pierce    
     This book describes alternative treatments  Smile  
              
    6With the help of our friends from France - Carol Silverander 
     How she stabilizing and living with breast cancer to the liver 
              
    7Beating Cancer with Nutrition - Patrick Quillin Smile  
              
    8I Beat Cancer - Story of 50 people tell you how they did it 
              
    9Green for Life - Victoria Boutenko  Smile  
              
     Website:       
              
     Breastcancerchoice.org  ( very good site)   
     Annieappleseeds.com     
     Ralphmoss.com (charges for some info but excellent info) 
  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited December 2008

    Best place to purchase - Half.com & Amazon.com or Library 
     Look under used they are like new books.   
              
    Breast Cancer - Books      
              
    1Your Breast Cancer Treatment Handbook-Judy C. Kneece RN OCN
     (best beginner book written by Oco Nurse lot of years exp.) 
              
              
    1A Journey Through Cancer - Emile Barnes - Christian writer) 
     Stories of Hope, Healing & God's Faithfulness  
              
    2Desperate Hope - Barbara milligan    
     Experiencing God in the midst of BC    
              
    3Advanced Breast Cancer - Musa Mayer   
     Living with Metastic Disease     
              
    4Living Beyond Breast Cancer - Marisa C. Weiss MD  
     Survivor's Guide      
              
    5Chicken Soup for the Sole - Breast Cancer   
              
    All Cancer Patients      
              
    1Cancer 50 Essential Things To Do - Greg Anderson  
     (check list of things you should know about your treatment) 
    2Love, Medicine & Miracles - Bernie S. Siegel MD  
     How to have a winning attitude    
    3         
              
              
    Spiritual Battle       
              
    1The Battle Belongs to the Lord - Joyce Meyers  
    2Harnessing The Power of Fear - (all fears not just cancer) Dr Ken Nichols
    3Serenity - (Hallmark stores?) handbook of scriptures  
    4Don't just stand there pray something - Ronald Denn  
     Power of intercessory prayer     
    5The Word, The Name, The Blood - Joyce Meyer  
    6When God & Cancer Meet - Lynn Eib    
    7Finding the light in cancer's shadows - Lynn Eib  
    8Never Lose heart - Joyce Meyer    
              
              
    Health        
              
    1What to eat if you have cancer - Maureen Keane MS & D. Chance MS
              
    2Walking in Divine Health - Don Colbert, MD   
     (Christian doctor)      
              
    3How to prevent and treat cancer with Natural Medicine -4 top doc's
     This works with standard treatment & side effects (patrick Quillin also in this book)
     These doctor started Cancer Centers of America  
              
    4Challenge Cancer and Win! - Kim Dalzell PHD,RD, LD 
     Nutrition by specific cancer     
              
    5Outsmart your Cancer - Tanya Pierce    
     This book describes alternative treatments    
              
    6With the help of our friends from France - Carol Silverander 
     How she stabilizing and living with breast cancer to the liver 
              
    7Beating Cancer with Nutrition - Patrick Quillin   
              
    8I Beat Cancer - Story of 50 people tell you how they did it 
              
    9Green for Life - Victoria Boutenko    
              
     Website:       
              
     Breastcancerchoice.org  ( very good site)   
     Annieappleseeds.com     
     Ralphmoss.com (charges for some info but excellent info) 
  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited December 2008

    Kateful,

    Please fully understand your pathology report before deciding to do anything.  You need to fully understand what your Grade, Stage and receptor means.  How aggressive your disease is and what it responds too. (receptor)  Alternative usually addresses hormone positive bc.  Keep this in mind as you read.

    I also see you are a sister in the Lord.  I have added to my list some books that helped me during the early stages of my journey.  Please read and read some more.  There ae  NO short cuts.  You must use multiple treatments to battle this disease. Please feel free to contact me with any questions you may have.

    Flalady

    Look under used they are like new books.

    Breast Cancer - Books

    1

    Your Breast Cancer Treatment Handbook-Judy C. Kneece RN OCN

    (best beginner book written by Oco Nurse lot of years exp.)

    1

    A Journey Through Cancer - Emile Barnes - Christian writer)

    Stories of Hope, Healing & God's Faithfulness

    2

    Desperate Hope - Barbara milligan

    Experiencing God in the midst of BC

    3

    Advanced Breast Cancer - Musa Mayer

    Living with Metastic Disease

    4

    Living Beyond Breast Cancer - Marisa C. Weiss MD

    Survivor's Guide

    5

    Chicken Soup for the Sole - Breast Cancer

    All Cancer Patients

    1

    Cancer 50 Essential Things To Do - Greg Anderson

    (check list of things you should know about your treatment)

    2

    Love, Medicine & Miracles - Bernie S. Siegel MD

    How to have a winning attitude

    3

    Spiritual Battle

    1

    The Battle Belongs to the Lord - Joyce Meyers

    2

    Harnessing The Power of Fear - (all fears not just cancer) Dr Ken Nichols

    3

    Serenity - (Hallmark stores?) handbook of scriptures

    4

    Don't just stand there pray something - Ronald Denn

    Power of intercessory prayer

    5

    The Word, The Name, The Blood - Joyce Meyer

    6

    When God & Cancer Meet - Lynn Eib

    7

    Finding the light in cancer's shadows - Lynn Eib

    8

    Never Lose heart - Joyce Meyer

    Health

    1

    What to eat if you have cancer - Maureen Keane MS & D. Chance MS

    2

    Walking in Divine Health - Don Colbert, MD

    (Christian doctor)

    3

    How to prevent and treat cancer with Natural Medicine -4 top doc's

    This works with standard treatment & side effects (patrick Quillin also in this book)

    These doctor started Cancer Centers of America

    4

    Challenge Cancer and Win! - Kim Dalzell PHD,RD, LD

    Nutrition by specific cancer

    5

    Outsmart your Cancer - Tanya Pierce

    This book describes alternative treatments

    6

    With the help of our friends from France - Carol Silverander

    How she stabilizing and living with breast cancer to the liver

    7

    Beating Cancer with Nutrition - Patrick Quillin

    8

    I Beat Cancer - Story of 50 people tell you how they did it

    9

    Green for Life - Victoria Boutenko

    Website:

    Breastcancerchoice.org  ( very good site)

    Annieappleseeds.com

    Ralphmoss.com (charges for some info but excellent info)

  • FloridaLady
    FloridaLady Member Posts: 2,155
    edited December 2008

    I give up on cutting and my pasting my list so here is just a few.

    kateful,

    Please fully understand your pathology report before deciding on any treatment.  You need to fully understand what your Grade, Stage and receptor means.  How aggressive is your disease.  Most alternative treatments that is focused on breast cancer addresses hormone positive bc.  Not all of us have that kind of receptor.  Keep this in mind as you read.

    I also see you are a sister in the Lord.  I have added to my list some books that helped me during the early stages of my journey.  Please read and read some more.  There is NO treatment that is one size fits all for alternative or conventional.  You must use multiple treatments to battle this disease. 

    God Bless 
    Flalady

    Books

    Cancer 50 Essential Things to Do if you have Cancer- Greg Anderson (great book for the newly diagnosed) I meet this man.  He beat stage four lung cancer something like ten years ago.

    Love, Medicine & Miracles - Bernie S Siegel MD

    Beating Cancer with Nutrition - Patrick Quillin

    Outsmart your Cancer - Tanya Pierce (this book the history behind a lot of the alternative treatments old and new)

    I Beat Cancer - Story of 50 people tell you how they beat stage IV cancer

    Your Breast Cancer Treatment Handbook - Judy C Kennce RN - How to understand breast cancer pathology and treatment.  Very good book again for the beginner.

    What to eat if you have cancer - Maureen Keane MS & D Chance

    Green for Life - Victoria Boutenko

    Cancer Cure -  Bill Henderson (good book again for beginner in understand alternatives)

    Website:

    Breastcancerchoices.org (very good site)

    Annieappleseeds.com

    Ralphmoss.com (he is the top guy in understand world wide alternative treatments)

    Spiritual Battle Books

    The Battle Belongs to the Lord - Joyce Meyers

    Harnessing the power of fear ) Dr Ken Nichols

    Don't just stand there pray something - Ronald Denn

    The Word, The Name, The Blood - Joyce Meyers

    When God & Cancer Meets - Lynn Eib

    Finding the light in cancer's shadows - Lynn Eib

    Never lose heart - Joyce Meyers

    A Journey through Cancer - Emile Barnes (great short stories)

    Desperate Hope - Barbara Milligan

  • ddlatt
    ddlatt Member Posts: 448
    edited December 2008

    i found a lot of very helpful info here: 

    http://www.drweil.com/drw/ecs/ask_dr_weil/list_by_category.html?category=380

    i especially like this site: (be sure to look at all the categories on the right-hand side):

    http://www.caring4cancer.com/go/cancer/nutrition/questions/aicr-cancer-prevention-guidelines.htm 

    like digger, i was always extremely healthy, never even had the flu a day in my life, am 5'1", 106, vegetarian, gets lots of exercise, has a very stress-free life before being diagnosed. i do have family history of breast cancer, however. my surgeon told me that being in such good health and being fit did help me with very rapid recovery from surgery ( i was driving and back to work 4 days after double mastectomy) and will help a lot enduring the SEs of chemo and radiation.

    our hospital offers free dietitian services, and i've met with mine many times to learn about how to prepare my body for chemo and radiation, how to prevent recurrence. i drink a smoothie every day - i cup organic yogurt, 1 heaping TB flax meal, 1 heaping TB flax oil, 1 cup organic frozen blueberries, 1/2 cup calcium-fortified orange juice, 1 scoop whey protein powder (22 grams in each scoop), 1 scoop L-glutamine powder (50 grams in each scoop).  i take these supplements: multivitamin (with C annd E at only 100% because you can't have too many antioxidants during chemo), fish oil (300mg/day), B complex, Calcium (600mg) and Vit D (500mg)/day together in one pill.

    in everything i have read, exercising every day, following a very healthy diet, not drinking, not smoking, and coping as well as we can with stress is the best we can do to protect ourselves. i had a grade 3 cancer, i'm triple negative, so my chances of recurrence are very high. my med onc  (and all the research i've read) says that the best thing i can do is exercise an hour a day and eat a very low-fat diet, no alcohol, and of course no smoking (i never did) and that lowers the risk of recurrence a great deal.  i walk/run on the treadmill an hour/day, i dance and run in place on the rebounder/trampline as often as i can at home during the day and evening, i am diligent about using arm weights (important for building calcium that the chemo depletes), and i have always followed a very low-fat diet, eat lots of veggies and fruit and grains, no granulated sugar, no processed foods, get 8 hours of sleep (my kids are grown and i live alone, which helps). i surround myself with loving family and friends and have learned to cull the negative people out of my life.

    i don't think of eating healthy as a diet. it's just a way of life. exercise is another thing - sometimes i have to force myself to do it, but especially now i realize it's one of the main things to try to keep cancer from recurring, so i'm diligent about it, just like brushing my teeth every day. i don't think about it; i just do it. 

    we're here for you!

  • kelty
    kelty Member Posts: 80
    edited January 2009

    This is really interesting.  Thanks for sharing.

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