Who has chosen NOT to have Rads?

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ninel
ninel Member Posts: 168

Is there anyone out there who decided against getting radiation? What was your situation and how are you doing now?

Thanks,

Ninel 

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  • sftfemme65
    sftfemme65 Member Posts: 790
    edited November 2008

    Hi Ninel,

    When I started treatment I wanted rads.  I argued with my Onc and my bs about it.  They were both against me doing it.  In the end I decided that if I was indeed getting avastin in the trial I would not do the radiation.  I hope I made the correct decision.  My understanding is if you have 4 or more positive nodes you do rads. 

    Teresa

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited November 2008

    The most recent (2008) BC treatment guidelines from the National Comprehensive Cancer Network (http://www.nccn.org/) say the following about rads:

    1) breast-conserving surgery => radiation

    2) mast with 4 or more + nodes => rads to chest wall and supraclavicular area

    3) mast with 1 to 3 + nodes => strongly consider rads to chest wall and supraclavicular area*

    4) mast with no + nodes but tumor is > 5 cm => rads to chest wall (consider rads to supraclavicular area)

    5) mast with no + nodes and tumor < or equal to 5 cm but margins close (< 1 mm) => consider rads to chest wall

    * This is a change from previous recommendations, which said that rads should be given only for tumors > 5 cm or for 4 or more positive nodes (or if margins are close), but are not needed for 1-3 positive nodes.

    otter 

  • Estepp
    Estepp Member Posts: 6,416
    edited November 2008

    Yet, this still does not touch women who had chemo first. That is what my rads oncologist is hating. He said, with women like me... in his field,... they have no idea really how many nodes were involved. I could have 100% response to chemo... all nodes clear AFTER chemo.. and all they new was I had 1 biopsied and test positive. BUT... might have had 21 positive for all they know. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... gets even trickier for us gals as neo-adjuvant chemo is still pretty new as far as "new" in the cancer worlds goes....;

    Laura

  • ninel
    ninel Member Posts: 168
    edited November 2008

    So they base the radiation off the intial tumor and node involvement? Not what it looks like after the chemo?

  • bar62
    bar62 Member Posts: 321
    edited November 2008

    I'm to have radiation after I finish chemo. I had a lumpectomy though I wish I had known about Triple neg beforehand; I might have opted for a  bilateral mastectomy, even with all that I've read about lumpectomy vs mastectomy..the rate of return waiting for three years...all the stuff I've learned since I heard my dx. in July...I would not have had a lumpectomy.

      I've had two opinions  from different  Oncologist that Lupus and radiation can be a bad fit. My skin Lupus is on a slow burn.  I'm on Plaquenil and I'm not itching even  though every scar and scratch that happens to my skin turns dark now.

     I know the radiation can burn my skin, cause my breast to harden, darken and lift in my chest wall, so I though I am   not averse to having the procedure, I am going to think  about it a lot in the upcoming months..

  • ninel
    ninel Member Posts: 168
    edited November 2008

    Hi Otter,
    How do I navigate to that guideline information you posted?

    I can't find it on that site.

    Thanks,

    Ninel

  • DiamondJAL
    DiamondJAL Member Posts: 51
    edited November 2008

    bar62

    I don't know alot of your personal situation but I had radiation and came through fine.  Yes, my breast is hardened but not horribly hardened.  More of the hardness is from scar tissue and not from the rads.  I wish the left one was as firm as the one that got radiation.  lol    A permanent slight tan, which is sort of nice but I never burned and never suffered any ill affects from it.  I'd take it 100 times over compared to the chemo.  Only pain about it was that it was every single day for 39 treatments.  33 regular and 6 boosters

    I am also a triple negative but my Onc suggested I not have a masc or bilateral unless I was absolutely set on it.  He said we caught it early, you are young, otherwise healthy, we are treating you aggressively now and there's no reason to have it/them cut off.  I opted to take his recommendation and if it ever comes back, then I will deal with the other option.  There's no guarantee that having a mast. will prevent total breast cancer. You can still get it in the skin in the breast area.....not common but happens, that's what I was told. 

    Was my own decision to not go the extreme and deal with it this way.......4 years clean and I feel great. 

    Good Luck 

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited November 2008

    Ninel, when you get to the main page (http://www.nccn.org/), there are a bunch of pictures in the middle of that page.  One of them near the top says, "NCCN Clinical Practice Guidelines in Oncology."  Click on that picture--it's a link that will take you to a login page.

    If you haven't used the website before, you'll need to register.  It's no big deal--just click on the "new users" link and fill in the information.  I think they're just trying to see who uses their website--I haven't seen anything to suggest access is restricted.  Once you've registered, all you'll need to do to access the Practice Guidelines from then on is fill in your email address on the login page.

    After you've registered and logged in, you'll see a page that says, "Guidelines of Treatment of Cancer by Site."  Scroll down the list until you see "Breast Cancer."  Click on the "Breast Cancer" link, and it will launch a pdf file that contains all the latest guidelines about BC treatment.  The first page of the BC section is a blue page with the title, "NCCN Clinical Practice Guidelines in Oncology...Breast Cancer."  Scroll to the next page--Page 2 (or click on the button that says, "Continue"), and then go to the next page (Page 3).

    Page 3 is a Table of Contents containing links to everything in the BC section.  I found the information about radiation treatment under the heading, "Invasive Breast Cancer"... "Locoregional Treatment of Stage I, IIA, or IIB Disease or T3 N1 M0".  If you click on that heading, it will open a page with a flow chart.  You can follow along that flow chart according to the characteristics of your surgery (lumpectomy or mastectomy) and your tumor, clicking on new links as appropriate.

    The information about radiation treatment is on Pages 10 (after lumpectomy) and 11 (after mastectomy). 

    There is a lot of other information on the NCCN website.  You can access it as a "Patient", or as a "Clinician".  The "Patient" stuff is watered down a bit, compared to the "Clinician" stuff.  I usually read the "Clinician" stuff, but that's just me.

    Let me know if you still have trouble accessing the information.

    otter 

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited November 2008

    Ninel...  Thanks for starting this thread, and Otter thank you for the new guidelines.  I finished chemo 6 weeks ago and am meeting with a local rad onc (again) on Tuesday to make a final decision, which has been extremely hard for me -- harder than chemo, because I have professional and family voices on both sides of the fence.  I fall into the mast + 1 positive node category, and based on 2 unique factors about my pathology (won't go into here, but PM me if you want to chat about it), the major breast center where I'm being treated is coming down on the side of rads, although even they tell me it's not standard of care in my situation, and 90% of docs probably would not recommend it.  But, they say they are more aggressive than the others. 

    I had a total of 16 nodes removed, so am soooo leery of developing lymphadema -- my biggest fear.  Otter, have you come across any stats on radiation SE's?   Even my top docs tell me stats are all over the place on this, as I've discovered -- but up to 48% (???) per an article on this site. 

    The new guideline (which I hadn't seen) may finally influence my stubborn vascillation on this!   Deanna

  • ninel
    ninel Member Posts: 168
    edited November 2008

    I met with 2 rad oncologists. Both radiation oncologists and my oncologist all said no to rads.

    I don't get it??? I thought that triple neg is so aggressive that I need to use everything possible to fight this. Maybe it's because I'm so young(34) and they are afraid of the long term effects of radiation.

    Anyone have any idea?

  • sftfemme65
    sftfemme65 Member Posts: 790
    edited November 2008

    Ninel,

    I understand your confusion on this topic.  I also feel the same way.  I really wanted to do radiation but after talking to several dr's about it, I decided that I would not push the issue.  I had a lot of nodes removed and I knew it would increase my risk for lymphodema but I still was considering it. 

    Teresa

  • debk55
    debk55 Member Posts: 108
    edited November 2008

    I was told I did not need rad. But be 3 neg I worry alittle about that. I am in a trial and am hopefully getting avastin. I had no node involment and a mast with good margins. So, I am praying the chemo is enough along with Theresa from above.  Deb :)

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