Clinical Trial E5103
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Brena,
How are you feeling? Did they ever figure out what was wrong with you?
Take Care,
Teresa
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Teresa,
I have been back to the family doc, Onc and Optometrist this week to help rule out certain problems. It appears my vision is not causing my problem, waiting on result from one specific blood test to exclude an eye disease, should see results next week to rule out the eyes as the culprit. Family doc doesn't want me back to work until I see neurologist, he doesn't know enough to make a conclusion. He gave me some anti-dizziness meds which help me to function through the day. At least I can now drive, hated being chauffeured around as it took my mobility but was necessary. I will be using my vacation time to get me through to my Neurologist visit on Dec. 1st, but need to collect and bring all test results from hospital visit. Neurologist doesn't seem to have many office hours this month.
Anyway, visited my Onc and we discussed my symptoms and he did some of his own tests and he feels taking Clodronate is not the cause of my symptoms so I will continue taking the drug. I even got a script to have a mammo done and he also wants a chest xray...why not its the only test not done recently. I have developed another new symptom this week, my head fills with excruciation pain when I cough, sneeze or lean over. I feel like the men in "white coats" will be coming for me very soon. I am so glad my family doc doesn't think I am nuts because one of us needs to keep some perspective on these SE's.
I am continuing with my trip to Spain leaving next Wed. Nov. 12 because no-one can confirm that I have a life threatening problem. My family doc said he would only confirm what the test did not show, again he is not comfortable with my symptoms but does not know the cause. I am a little nervous about going (solo) especially the pressure that I may sense in the take off and landing. I do have meds to take with me to help me get through the rough spells. I will visit the family doc again on Tuesday just before I leave to be evaluated and I will share with him the most recent SE listed above.
If you ladies are searching the web and find some helpful information on my symptoms I would appreciate your help. I have been searching and have some data but would welcome more, Chiari Malformation seems to be the most logical thus far (again being my own doc.) My symptoms have developed over a period of time but this is what I have experienced or am experiencing: to my knowledge MR, Spinal tap and CT scan came back normal.
light headed/equilibrium is off (not spinning)
pressure in base of skull on right side (comes and goes daily, increasing each week)
eye muscle twitching (right eye)
double vision (right eye, when given peripheral test)
humming in ears (more in right ear, as if refrigerator is running) constant noise
vomit (twice, when pressure was at its peak)
cough, sneeze or bending over causes immediate pressure pain throughout the entire head (pain stops when done cough, sneeze or stand up)
random muscle twitching throughout extremities (painless) occurring only when I lie flat on my back or on my sides
the only relief from the head pain/pressure is lying flat for a while. As soon as I become vertical some of the SE start again, do get an occossional few hours of relief on a daily basis (usually evening) when the SE mellow. Last night I got a few hours relief and gosh it felt good. The SE has interferred with my excercise regimen, but trying to get back into the program.
Brena
Dx 10/1/2007, IDC, 3cm, Stage IIa, Grade 3, 0/3 nodes, ER-/PR-, HER2- -
Hi Brena,
Sorry to hear about your side effects and all the pain. I hope the docs find something to help relieve the pain. It must be hard for you - I hope you have enough help at home to cope with everything. Does your daughter live close by? I'll be praying for your quick recovery from all the SEs.
I start radiation on Nov 11. I will be getting a sleeve for my arm tomorrow, to prevent lymphedema. Even though I finished chemo 4 weeks ago, some of the side effects are still bothering me - stuffy nose, sinus problem, pain in the legs and ofcourse, lack of sleep. My taste buds aren't back yet - how long does it take for the tongue to start tasting again? Did the radiation affect your taste buds?
Take care of yourself. Hope you feel better soon,
Desi.
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Hi everyone,
Well I went to treatment today and I found out that today was my final treatment. I skipped last week because of my trip, which they had shift my treatments around and I already had the tickets. The CCOP nurse thought I would just do number 9 today and then 10 on Dec 1. Unfortunately, the trial people said no, today would be 10. I was kind of shocked. I don't know how I feel about being done honestly. I know that sounds strange I should be happy but I just dont know. The doctor will see me in 3 weeks and before then I will have another ultrasound of my heart. My doctor said he would normally have me keep my port in for 2 years but since I am planning on reconstr. surgery I will just have it out then. He said I will see him every 3 months for at least 2 years. In 3 months I will have scans done before surgery to make sure everything is looking good.
Brena, I hope you are feeling better. That malformation you were talking about, I know a woman who's daughter had that. She had a lot of the same symptoms you do. Hang in there!
Desi, I am curious why are you getting a sleeve? Do you have lymphadema? I had alot of nodes removed but I think I'm doing ok, so far no swelling. I have flown alot, 4 times since my surgery but my surgeon and onc said that unless I have lymphadema it is not necessary to have a sleeve. I was curious if you heard different.
Carolyn.....Where are you?! I hope you are doing good.
Hope everyone has a geat week,
Teresa
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Hi Teresa,
Glad to know you are done with the treatments. Did Avastin affect your sinuses/nose? I had my last avastin on Sept 26th and last Taxol on Oct 10th, but the sinus problem persists. The ENT said this was due to the chemo and will eventually go away. My sinuses are swollen and blood clots restrict my breathing. Very annoying - specially at nights.
Regarding my arm sleeve, the Radiation Oncologist suggested that I get one in order to prevent any swelling in the arm. I have some fluid build up on the right side and back (surgery side). He referred me to a lymphedema therapist. I'll be seeing her twice a week for next three weeks. Women who get radiation to the whole breast and axilla, are at a higher risk of developing lymphedema.
Take care,
Desi.
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Desi,
Oh my goodness, do I ever have sinus issues! It by far has been the worst thing about this treatment for me. Well, 5 days ago I found a miracle lol. It is called NasaFlo Neti Pot. I bought it at Walgreens for 12.99. It is a blue tea pot looking thing and it comes with 50 packages of a sinus rinse. you fill it with warm water and add package. you then put it up to one nostril and tilt your head to the side and it runs through your sinus's out the other nostril. Yes it sounds weird and feels weird BUT it works. I could not believe the stuff I got out of my sinus's and how much better I feel. I do it every day. My nurse told me "oh yea I forgot about that it works great, hu?" I wanted to scream. I have been suffering for months and if someone had mentioned this, it would not of been so bad.
Try it! It truly works great.
I am not having radiation so I guess thats why I dont need a sleeve. Thanks for the info.
Teresa
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Desi,
I hope your radiation went as scheduled and your feeling ok, remember this is an accumulated process as you get near the end you may feel more symptomatic. Are you continuing to work or are you taking off for the rads? I hope your edema gets better quickly I am sure you don't need another problem to worry over, but keep at it to keep it under control. How many days of rads will you receive?Give the sinus a dose of the NasaFlo as Teresa mentioned, could give you relief.
Thank you for the nice thoughts,
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Teresa,
Sorry to hear you missed a dose that is a bummer. That change did not allow you the time to prep yourself for the final dosage, it is an emotional ordeal. Healing will take a long time and many turns, just keep moving forward and take the necessary time to adjust.
Glad you had a great trip to California,
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Ladies,
I am prepping for my trip to Spain, almost got things under control and ready to go. I leave tomorrow afternoon to NY then onto Spain and it should only take me a total of 10hrs on a plain.
Teresa, drop me an email on places that you may consider sharing a trip next year. I may take a brief trip over the xmas holiday to visit my dad in Texas, his health is not well and I would really like to visit with him. I was also just told my employer will be shutting down the last two weeks in December due to slow business.
Sure hope 09 is better than 08! Not sure if I will have access to my email while away so in case I don't I will talk with you ladies when I return. Keep posting and I will catch up when I return.
Everyone take care and have a wonderful Thanksgiving Holiday with your family,,,enjoy!!
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Is clinical trial E5103 the same as the one she described above? We were just offered to do this trail.
Adriamycin, Cytoxan + (Avastin or placebo) for 2wk x 4, then
Taxol + (Avastin or placebo) for 2wk x 4
At that point it will be revealed if she was taking Avavtin. If so, at that point, she has the option of continuing Avastin for 3wk x 10.
OR
TC for 3wks x 4
What do you recommend and why?
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Hi there...I just finished my treatment yesterday. I was one of the ones that recieved the avastin and went on for 10 more. I personally think this is a great trial and I feel very good about it being very sucessful. I am glad that I did this trial and given the oppurtunity again, I would jump on it.
Just one note, I did 12 weekly taxols instead of 4, seems to really help with side effects.
If you have any questions about the trial feel free to ask anything.
Teresa
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Hi Ladies,
I started my radiaton yesterday - it went well. Spent more time positioning than actual treatments!
Teresa, thanks for the tip on NasalFlo - I'll give it a try today. I am so sick of getting up every two hours at night to clear my sinuses!
Brena, I am glad you are able to go to the trip as planned. Hope you have a nice time. Yes, I am taking another 6 weeks off for radiation. My boss suggested this. I still have fatigue and muscle weakness from Chemo, plus the effects of radiaton (whatever it may be !) I'll be getting a total of 33 treatments - 25 whole breast and 8 boosts. Hopefully, I should be done by end of Dec.
Take care,
Desi.
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Hello Ladies,
I know I have not written in awhile. I have not really felt up to it. I am still tired and still do not have that energy that I used to have. Congratulations Teresa!! on being done w/the avastin. Did your onc. tell you how long you have to keep the port in til you have your reconstruction? There should be a protocol on that since my onc said i couldn't have any operations while getting the drug since it thins your blood. I have #10 a week from tomorrow! I am looking forward to it.
Brena, I am sorry to hear you are still having health issues. I am still jealous though of you heading across the pond! Maybe the vacation and some good sangria might be what the Dr ordered.
Desi, Congrats on starting raditation! One step closer to being done. The time does go by fast but that may be due to the fatigue I felt. I think I slept thru most of the radiation days (that is after treatment). Make sure you take care of the skin. Its extremely important.
I had a cranial sacro something massage the other day. It cleanses your fascia (i think that's how you spell it). It diffenitely got rid of some of the cobwebs across my mind. I felt more alert and almost myself (besides the darn sinuis's). I am thinking of alternating between acupressure and the cranial massage. I had never heard of it before so when my acupressurest had cancelled my appt Nadine offered this one. I am very glad I went. I am still having treatment for my thumb area which is helping. I am hoping once I finish the trial that my tissue will heal by itself and I won't have to keep going to PT. Well, its getting late and I need to get ready for some good sleep since tomorrow is Friday and i took off today from work. I will have a lot to catch up w/tomorrow. Take care to all you beautiful women. Remember that there are strengths in numbers!
Carolyn
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Carolyn,
Im so glad to hear from you. I know how you feel, I'm exhausted too. I will wait at least 3 months before I start reconstruction. The doctor said 2 months but I want to be sure because I dont need any issues with healing, you know.
Do you think you could make the cruise in april? It would be so great if you could. I know Brena and I will be there, I would love it if more of us can make it!
Take care,
Teresa
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Good Morning Ladies,
I am off for my #2 tx today. I am not quite as anxiuos but still more than I thought I would be
I got my hair cut real short yesterday as it is starting to fall out this is day 14. I will try to remember to ask what # I am in the trial. Have any of you had a hoarse voice?? I sound like Rachel Ray all the time, not my usual sound.
Where an when is the cruise??
Well need to get some breakfast then the 2 hour car ride to tx.
Have a great day ladies, Deb
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Hi Deb,
I had a hoarse voice. It is a side effect from Avastin. That sounds like a good sign.
The cruise is April 16th to the 20th, Carnival Destiny Miami to Key West to Cozeml, mexico. If your interested about 5 pages back Brena posted who to contact for pricing, if you go through them its way cheaper because they have blocks of rooms for cancer surviors and family/friends. It would be so great if some more of us could make it!
Teresa
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Hi Teresa,
I looked at the dates the other day which I think will be doable. Did you book your flight w/them also? I have a girlfriend who is also interested in going so it would be a good thing to get away that time of year! How's your nose? I am really tired of having a runny nose for the past (almost) year!
Carolyn
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Deb,
I will have to agree w/Teresa. I had a very hoarse voice at one point. It wasn't forever since I don't have one right now. I always had water with me to. I tried drinking 64 ounces a day if not more. I would say 1/2 way thru treatments I started adding propel to my water. Just 1 packet would equal 3-4 bottles of water. Not sure if that helped but it changed the flavor of everything. Especially when the tongue gets that BLAH to it. Well, its a miserable day here w/the rain. Hoping for a better day tomorrow. Take care and keep your chin up.
Carolyn
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Keryl,
You should be done your A/C and started Taxol. How are you doing? Hopefully the Taxol is less toxing on the body vs the A/C. Just think, you are in the 2nd phase of treatment...1 more to go. At least that was the way i looked at the whole process. Just wanted to check to see how you are doing.
Carolyn
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Hi Carolyn,
I am trying to get 64 oz of fluid in every day but I can not drink water it tastes terrible to me even with lemon , I am drinking herbal teas. I did have trrouble withmy sinuises also but making sure I get the fliuds in has helped. The nurse at the onc office said to make sure that the teas have no caffiene and if that did not help to use the netting pot i got one but ahve not had to use it yet, I just continue to sound like rachael ray, sometimes it is worse, at least it does not hurt, just some time hard to talk. I hope It is a sign of the avastin, thanks,
Everybody have a great SE free day, Deb:)
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Carolyn,
No I didn't book my flight with them but I will check to see if I can get a better deal with them for it before I do anything. I have already booked my cruise though, my sister is going and maybe 2 others. It will be so fun, I really hope you can make it. I am with you on being so sick and tired of this runny nose thing. My sinus's hurt all the time. I am hopeful it will get better every day though. You have the final treatment tomorrow dont you? Good luck and congrats!
Teresa
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Hi DebK,
It sounds like your Onc office is up on helping you w/the sinuis thing. I thought mine was getting better but it has its ups and downs! I guess one important thing is keeping the nasal passage moist. I did have a friend recommend the netipot but have not bought one. I have a saline nose spray that I use and this stuff called Ayr. I am hopefull that the nose will get back to the norm w/in a month or 2 from last avastin! I hope things get better with everyday.
Carolyn
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Hi Teresa,
I am looking at going on the cruise. I need to start looking at airline prices. We used to have a local airline that would fly down (only 20 min from my house). They are no longer there so I will need to look at Boston or Portland for airfair. Someone told me about a new airline out of Worcester MA that I might ck out. I would like to get the air before booking the cruise or do them close enough together. I am definitely leaning towards the cruise though. How's your nose doing? Is it getting better? This Friday is my 10th one and then its celebration! My girlfriend just got back from TX and is treating me to a pedicure on Saturday. Believe it or not, I have never had a pedicure. I've always thought about getting one but just never did. I've had endless manicures for someone w/out long nails (cosmetology school will do this to you!) I hope things are going well with you. Got to get back to work.
Carolyn
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Ok, we finally recieved the paperwork & consent form for the trial. It is E5103...and 25 pages of OMG! We are having a hard time wrapping our heads around all the potential side effects listed. From what we read, it's hard to see the risk vs reward benefit. We've read through the posts and we're not seeing a lot of reasons as to WHY people chose the trial (especially those with negative nodes). Can anyone give us some insight?
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Hi there. On this trial if you look at those that are here, the ones that did the trial with neg nodes are triple negative. The chance of reoccurrance is higher for trip neg bc. The way I understand the trial you must be considered high risk for reoccurrance or node positive.
I know that the possible side effects look scarey but I can tell you that they are rare. Every chemo has some very scarey side effects. My mother took avastin for 3 years continously with no problem. Besides sinus issues, I haven't had any problems. I am triple negative and node positive. This trial was a blessing for me. My onc feels it will be a very big deal in the end.
You have to way your options and what you think will be best for you in the long run. I wish you luck in your decision. If you have any questions about the drug please feel free to ask.
Teresa
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Caroyn,
I have to start looking for my airfare too. I am still having problems with my sinuses but I'm hopeful it will stop soon too.
I have never had a pedicure either. Let me know how you like it. Since I lost my big toenail 3 weeks ago, I just dont think I could go yet.
Teresa
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Hi u2av8r
I was also worried when I saw the paperwork , plus the extra sessions) and thought about not doing itI am SO glad I did (I did have node involvement, but am not triple negative).
1. The extra sessions seemed like a big deal at the time, but in fact were not as the taxol side effects are minimal--its just time consuming but not hard
2. My oncologist (who was one of the original researchers on the herception trial) was EXTREMELY positive on this--thinks it will be standard of care within 3-5 years.
3. I spoke with my brother in law who is a hospital pharmacist--he researched avastin extensively and felt that the side effects would be minimal/tolerable for me and that the upside was tremendous.
All in all, chemo was very manageable (I finished 2 weeks ago, but will continue to get avastin another 10 times). I was able to work, exercise etc. The AC was the hardest part, but that is over in 4 sessions, plus you get almost 10 days in between of feeling normal. The avastin side effects for me were runny nose, bloody nose in the am (but not bad) and watery eyes (but i think that was more the AC). No heart issues, no blood pressure change, no other SE.
Hope this helps
Carol
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Hi u2av8r,
I would have to agree w/Carol and Teresa. I reviewed everything they (onc) gave me. Then researched it online. Then spoke w/a friend of mine who is a pharmacist and then spoke w/my mom and brother. My husband would not give me an answer to do it or not. My mom and brother were very verbal and wanted me to go for it. I also had a friend of mine who had been on the avastin for a yr for another cancer and she was all about it! The SE's are VERY scary but look on a bottle of tylenol or advil and those SE's can scare the heck out of you also. I have my final avastin (#10) on Friday and I would do it over again. I think the avastin is more tolerable than the other chemo they give you. The only one who can really make the decision whether to do the trial or not is yourself. It did take me 2-3 weeks before I decided to do the trial. When I signed on the line my onc. also told me if i was in Arm c that I didn't have to go the next 10 if it interfered w/my life. I really didn't think I would keep going but like I said its tolerable. Good luck and hope this helps.
Carolyn
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Brena,
I hope you are having a wonderful time sipping Sangria and lying on the beach at Playa Del Sol or somewhere,,,,maybe Roda?
C
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Thanks for the insight. The onc didn't mention anything about being high risk for recur, but did mention it was considered aggressive because of her age (36) and the one node.
We are still trying to gather more info. We are getting another onc opinion. We still have plenty of time to decide because she has to go back for another surgery. We decided for a mastectomy because they didn't get everything in the lumpectomy and they have to take more nodes too. Good news is the CT and bone scan came back neg. They are also going to do the reconstruction side-by-side with the mast.
For now, we're going to relax and enjoy a nice Thanksgiving weekend at the Grand Wailea in Maui and try to forget about everything.
Thanks again...we'll keep everyone up to date.
BTW, although we live in Hawaii, she grew up in Wichita!
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