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  • bar62
    bar62 Member Posts: 321
    edited November 2008

    KAK,

     I couldn't' figure out why my bra looked  so empty at the top  of the cup near my surgical site. I kept trying to lean further  and further  forward to fill the cup more completely.

    I am a  44DD. I couldn't understand why my nipple was higher on  the R side than the L side and why my bra cups looked so weird.  Since my experience,  I've read how traumatic  a lumpectomy can be...and it is very traumatic. I didn't know what to expect and   was really  upset that my breast looked different post-op.

     I wasn't well  totally  but  went out to  buy bras for my  own comfort... no more wires. Thank God for the no wire, no back tag Bali.  I had to ask for help with the cup not filling properly. A very sweet bra fitter at Macy's explained the why of that situation, after which I sat down and drank a cup of coffee and wept.

    love you all,

    mina

  • KAK
    KAK Member Posts: 1,679
    edited November 2008

    Thanks for  sharing that, Mina.

    When I went out to get a prosthesis, I ended up getting steered to a lingerie shop with this really sweet shop-keeper whose best friend had BC when they were both in their twenties.  So, she ended up becoming trained to fit us post-op women & she was great.  She had insurance forms all ready to fill out & took care of requesting the appropriate physician's prescription.  Just awesome.  Plus, I got a huge kick out of knowing that Blue Cross was going to pay for a fake boob, two bras & two camisoles!

    Penny, I have a question for you & anybody else who might have info about this.  I'll be due for my next diagnostic image on my breast in about a month or so.  Right now, the way my poor now-teeny size A breast feels, with its lumps & scar tissue & it's still-very-sensitive nipple, I'd probably have to hand-cuff myself not to slug the next person who tried to squish the poor thing with a mammography paddle!!  I think I'd rather get a breast MRI next, and put off the next mammogram for longer until maybe my breast won't hurt like it does now.  What's the story with that?  I see my surgeon next week & I know we're going to be talking about this.  Do they do a breast MRI next or a mammogram or can put my two-cents' worth in?  If she wants me to get a mammogram, how can I make it less awful?  Honestly, I don't know how anybody COULD squish this stiff, lumpy thing with a paddle & get a decent picture.   How about US instead? 

    Not looking forward to my next "photo op."

    Kathi

  • pk0199
    pk0199 Member Posts: 586
    edited November 2008

    KAK,

    I do not envy you having to go for your next mammo, I can't even imagine my next one, thank goodness it is about 10 months away. 

    The one advantage you ladies in the states have over us Canadians is you have an MRI on every street corner (okay an exaggeration) In the city I live in we have and please don't quote me, approx 4-6 hospital run MRI's and I believe 1 or 2 privately run, pay out of your pocket MRI's for a city of about 1-1.5 million. So for us up here, asking for an MRI for a "screening" is usually not an option. I have not had an MRI and am not scheduled for one. So the question is, MRI or Mammo ? I think I would definately ask for an MRI if it is at all an option, but please remember, you can get false positives from MRI's, you can get false negatives from Mammo,so really the choice is yours. If you go with a mammo, remember you want to be done on a digital unit, that is key. Also you can ask the technologist to use the flex or springy paddle instead of the flat paddle (some may not have that option). Try taking an anagesic (?sp) prior to going. Talk to the tech prior to starting and let them know your fears of how much it will now hurt, they do have some tricks up their sleeves to try to help. The biggest and hardest thing, try to relax. The more you tense up , then the tech ends up compressing the pectoral muscle first then trying to compress the breast resulting in more compression. Trust me this is hard, I know better than to tense up and one of the techs who did one of my mammos "hit" me to tell me to relax. (no panick folks she didn't literally hit me, and she is a co-worker so it was not patient abuse)

    Back on track here, one also has to remember that there is no one modality that is the perfect solution. To date mammography is still considered one of the most instramental exams we use. Don't get me wrong ultrasound and MRI's are very important too but you have to start somewhere and that is usually where the medical community starts (at least in Canada). Some modalities are not good for some things either, we don't screen with ultrasound for starters it would take hours to do a proper and thorough job, plus you don't see calcifications on U/S. Up here, cost and availability limit how much we do MRI, here you wouldn't have an MRI for a routine screen. I have even seen some people list thermography as an alternative, won't say much there as I do not believe in thermography at all, okay just a little, it is a waste of time and money and results are scary.

    I think I am done rattling on now. Hope this helps.

    Penny

  • KAK
    KAK Member Posts: 1,679
    edited November 2008

    Thanks, Penny, dear!  Can I bring you with me when I go??

    They don't do breast MRI's here for routine screens either.  But they'll pay for one now for my right breast because I've had BC in that breast.  My "good" breast will only be eligible for a regular annual screening mammogram, I believe.   I've always been pretty chilled about mammograms, but honestly, this right breast (what's left of it) is so hard & unsquishable & sore, I really don't see how you could get a useful mammogram out of it.

    Well, we'll see what happens.  I will try not to think about it until I have to.

    Kathi

  • C130sunshine
    C130sunshine Member Posts: 174
    edited November 2008

    Hello...it has been a long time since I have been on the site. 

    Mina...I am so glad that you found on oncologist....hope things are going well.

    I had to get a mammogram and ultra sound of the effect breast about a month ago....found a lump in the axillary area.  I was really scared....my mammographer had BC 5 years a ago.  She was awesome!!!!  She talked me through the mammogram and kept me relaxed (as relaxed you can get while having your sore breast squeezed). Luckily everything came back negative.....I just had some tissue swelling.  The swelling is now gone.  I still don't look forward on getting it done in the future, but after my scare.....I would rather deal with the pain of the mammogram than the fear I had when I found the lump.  She told me that when I have it done in the future to make sure I tell the mammographer my fears and my history.  I know they can find everything in the chart, but this way you start a dialog with them. 

    Thanks for your insight Penny.

    kim

  • KAK
    KAK Member Posts: 1,679
    edited November 2008

    Kim, thanks for reminding me that a painful mammogram is a small price to pay for staying ahead of BC!!   Just need to whine once in a while, ya know??  Kathi

  • C130sunshine
    C130sunshine Member Posts: 174
    edited November 2008

    Kathi...I know just how you feel......we all need a little "whine" time......just make sure it does not overwhelm you.  That is why this group has been great for me....it reminds me that I am not a lone.

    kim

  • sweets
    sweets Member Posts: 17
    edited November 2008

    Hi, I just joined, and was really happy to see a forum just for nurses. I was just dx in Oct. I am the 3rd of 4 sisters with breast cancer. I have DCIS, no nodes involved. I am having genetic studies done and these should be in next week. I am having a problems with surgeon and pc getting their schedules together and they want me to wait until Jan for surgery. MY nurse brain know this is early cancer and will grow slow but my other half of my brain is just freaked out.  I am a homecare nurse, I take care of alot of post op patients. Just never thought I would be one of them

  • KAK
    KAK Member Posts: 1,679
    edited November 2008

    Sweets, I'm a homecare PT & welcome.  I just wanted to say that I would have gone stark raving bonkers to be told I had to wait two months to get my surgery because the docs can't get their schedules together!!!   WTF is wrong with your doctors?  Who gives a rodent's turd about their schedules?  Are they freakin' nuts?  How the heck are you supposed to concentrate on your patients, get through the holidays, etc., etc. while the Beast is inside of you?  

    What does your PC have to do with it anyway?  I'd look at the genetic studies, path report, talk to my sisters & get a darn date from the surgeon that's convenient to me, not THE DOC's!!!

    GRRRRRRR!

    Take charge, Sweets, & remember what a woman internist I know once told me:  "Bitch stands for Babe In Total Charge of Herself."

    Kathi

  • sweets
    sweets Member Posts: 17
    edited November 2008

    Kathi, Thanks for the good laugh and good advise. I am getting another opinion if the docs do not get a date soon. Your right, I need to take more charge, I don't care if they think I'm bitchy!!

    sweets

  • SaraRivka3
    SaraRivka3 Member Posts: 8
    edited November 2008

    Hi, I wrote earlier about choosing bilateral mastectomies and the surgeon insisting on no drains and not telling me the path results. I decided to cancel the surgery and change surgeons, the day before I was to have surgery. I also found out that my state's (Alabama) breast cancer detection program would allow me to pick the surgeon & also to get a 2nd opinion. I was trying to be grateful and compliant and had not asked about this. As soon as I made the decision to cancel and switch, I felt hugely relieved. And have received lots of affirmation for doing so!

    OK, my new surgeon is recommending (standard of care) for me to have a sentinel node bx on my other breast, because he points out that a SNB can't be done after the breast is removed. I had no indication of tumors, calcs or anything else on the other breast, just on my right breast. 

    So I would love to hear from folks who have had a SNBx on the non-affected side.

     As an aside, he commented that there was a possibility that he would have to do a node dissection instead of a SNB on the affected side because the bx (the other surgeon did) I had 3 weeks ago may have disrupted the lymph node chain. Anyone had this happen?

     Thanks for all the love and support on this forum!

    Blessings, Sara 

  • bar62
    bar62 Member Posts: 321
    edited November 2008

    Hi Sara,

     I'm SO glad you gathered other opinions and options. My doctor was supposed perform a Sentinel Node biopsy but removed 19 nodes--YIKES-- because my tumor was 3.5 cms; she refused to believe my nodes were  negative.

    I'm so sorry, but I'm not acquainted with biopsies done on the opposite sides prior to a double mastectomy, but I would appreciate  your surgeons offer to check more lymph nodes. If you aren't positive for the BRCA 1 and 2 gene, perhaps  that is why I still sense some resistance  by the MD to performing your requested surgery. I don't think your requests should be thwarted by another surgeon.

  • bar62
    bar62 Member Posts: 321
    edited November 2008

    I am going to inform my fellow nurses of  something they already know. I am thankfully going to get my Medicare supplement back in December and rejoin the land of  GOOD Medicine and good Doctors. Fingers crossed and praying for that day to come ASAP!

    I have had the nightmare of all experiences since I joined a Medicare Advantage plan  in September after I found my ex had dropped my secondary insurance.

    I was nauseous and regurgitating non-stop post my first Neupogen shot.  I know it was the shot because I'd never been so sick. I called him 6 times from Monday morning until Wednesday late evening with medication suggestions; I called the drug company and found out Zofran generic was allowed with approval by my doctor.  By the time I got the staff  Wednesday evening they asked me what I wanted and I had left 6 messages for help Kytril didn't work after  I took the Neupogen. I was crying yelling  so miserably sick and scared...He threatened me...told me if I continue to abuse his staff...with my bad insurance...I could go elsewhere. He wouldn't take care of me.

    I thank God for my friends and for his help with all these last two months have taught me.

  • OG56
    OG56 Member Posts: 897
    edited November 2008

    I too am worried about the follow up mamogram, mine is scheduled on Christmas Eve, I hope I receive a special present from Santa (clean mamo)! But my BS told me that if I was to sore we could wait. KaK if my breast was still so tender like yours I would definetly find out about an MRI, However, from everything I read Mamo's are still the best.

    Sara, way to go, you have to be your own best advocate, wish you the best with your upcoming surgery.

  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited November 2008

    Hi, Sara, I'm glad you feel better about changing surgeons.

    With my first bc, I had an excisional biopsy. When I had my lumpectomy, the surgeon was unable to do the snb because sarring from the excision blocked the path of the dye. So out came two levels of nodes.

    With my second cancer, the snb worked, thank god.

    I know of surgeons who do snb's for DCIS, when there's no evidence of invasive cancer. I think that's the same for prophy mastectomies. I feel it's a CYA thing. I really hated the idea of node removal on both sides, even if it was only one! Too much risk, plus the annoyance then of blood draws, etc. And, to some surgeons, the snb can mean not just one, but several, nodes being removed.

    Be careful and get all your questions answered on this one.

    Anne

  • KAK
    KAK Member Posts: 1,679
    edited November 2008

    Oh, Bar, isn't it unbelievable when as a clinician, you have to put up with dopey, idiotic, uncaring clinicians who are supposed to be looking out for you?  Good grief, girl.

    Hey, everyone, I had a follow up visit with my surgeon today, who hugged me & recommended an interesting book that her husband gave her for her birthday called This Is Not the Life I Ordered.  Says it all, doesn't it??  She also gave me a script for boobie massage if I get frustrated with doing my own boob myself.  And I don't have to get my next mamm till February, so I have a little more time to try to soften it up.

    From another thread, I followed a suggestion for a good skin lotion & got some Palmer's Stretch Mark Lotion.  It's a great massage lotion.  It has a good texture, not too thick, not too slippery, so I can really get at the scar tissue firmly with the massage.  And the poor boob is finally starting to soften up, so I have some hope that I can survive my first post-dx mamm.

    Sara, good  luck to you with surgery. 

    Bar, I hope you get to drop that doctor & his entire crew like the whale doo-doo they are just as soon as possible.

    OmahaGirl, maybe you can get an early Christmas present & get a script from your doc so some kind PT can do some scar & adhesion-freeing massage before you get your next mamm.  You're welcome to come to RI & I'll work on you myself!!  Or maybe I can get a ferry to LI & you can drive me around to the vineyards as a swop for massage!  I haven't even gotten to the part of this whole issue where I start worrying about the next mamm finding something else!  Oh, gawd.....

    Kathi

  • ripple1031
    ripple1031 Member Posts: 4
    edited November 2008

    hi to all the nurses, i retired from nursing in 2002 after 40 years. i was in all fields of nursing including oncology and trauma.  i was at work when they called about a suspicious mammagram, this was in oct. of  99, so followed a radical mastectomy and a year of combination radiation and chemo, then a tah was done because of fibroids and heavy bleeding. all went well until jan. 2003. i was awakened with severe pain left chest {my story is so long that i will summarize} went to er, mets to bones and the next battle began and is still going on, i have been on most every chemo drug and have had most every complication you could mention, the cancer moved to the liver in 05, continued with all kinds of chemo, developed necrosis in jaw bones then ruptured gastric ulcer which they decided was from avastin. again summarizing they put me on gymzar and after two years the liver cancer is gone, talkabout miricles but  while that was happening the bone cancer went wild and i sustained a path. fracture of left humerus which they don't understand since it is all met. breast cancer. so now i am on a new drug ixempra which no one knows a lot about i feel like a lab rat! so if any of you are on it or know much about it i would appreciate the info. thanks a bunch.  hopeful.

  • OG56
    OG56 Member Posts: 897
    edited November 2008

    Hey Kathi it is a deal! I didn't even think about massage, thanks. Actually I think it would be fun to do the vineyard's. I have only been on LI for 2 years and have yet to do the wine tour since my dh does not like wine but I do!  We should plan a trip sometime.

  • bar62
    bar62 Member Posts: 321
    edited November 2008

    HI Ripple1031Smile,

    I am pleased to make your acquaintance. Thanks for sharing with us. I take comfort in reading your story especially this week...that you've been on the offensive since 1999 is fantastic.

    Anne, I can't second your post enough. I never thought I would sign a consent for SNB and awaken with 19  nodes yanked. Arrgh.

    My core biopsy site developed a huge hematoma. When I had another mammogram for a suspicious lump noted on MRI that was subsequently dxed as a pappiloma. That subsequent squeeze left me with a very ugly huge bruise  after the hematoma healed  that is still there post June bx.  I do have  subacute Cutanous Lupus so I probably  would have skin problems anyway. I thought I'd share a squeeze story, not that I would have refused the post biopsy Mammogram.

    Thanks for the kind thoughts Kak and everyone. I am waiting on pins and needles to drop my Medicare Advantage PPO and get  back my  Medicare,  my AARP supplemental  and Part "D" plan.

    http://www.news-medical.net/?id=42969  Sharing Triple Neg news

  • KAK
    KAK Member Posts: 1,679
    edited November 2008

    Welcome, ripple, and I must say it's awful what you have had to go through, but inspiring that you can say you are hopeful.  Maybe you are actually the Bionic Woman & just don't realize it!!  Best of luck to you.

    Omaha, you're on.  A friend of mine did the LI vineyard tour recently & said it was glorious!

    Meanwhile, my switch from zoloft to Effexor due to starting tamoxifen has not been without its bumps.  After 3 weeks of the 75mg of Effexor, I started feeling the depression blah's coming on, so my pcp said I can double the dose.  Hopefully that will kick in fairly soon.  I know you have to wait for these SSRI's & SSNRI's to kick in, but I'm not interested in feeling worse in the meantime!  Like I don't already have a few things to feel depressed about  --  like having cancer, for example!

    At least I'm a cheerful depressive, if that makes any sense......been dealing with it a long time.  It's a family disease & at least I've had it easier than my parents did, who basically had to grin & bare it because there wasn't much good out there for depression until the last few decades.

    Hope everyone is hanging in there.

    Kathi

  • C130sunshine
    C130sunshine Member Posts: 174
    edited November 2008

    Hope everyone is well.

    Ripple....sorry to hear about all that you have gone through, but you are an inspiration!!!

    I have just finished number 14 of 33 rad treatments.  I am started to have fatigue.  I don't know if it sue to the rad treatments or the lack of sleep due to extreme hot flashes.  I have been having problems with hot flashes followed by extreme cold.  I have tried everything I could think of (plus what my NP could think of to do).  Since I am ER/PR + I was told not use soy.  Anyone else having this issue?  I have not started Tamoxifen yet.....which will make them worse (Oh Great!!!!!!).  I was just put on Effexor for the hot flashes.  Both my oncologist and rad provider uses this for hot flashes.  I tend to be a light wait when it comes to meds that cause drowsiness so taking this med scares me.

    kim

  • ripple1031
    ripple1031 Member Posts: 4
    edited November 2008

    c130sunshine,  hi, and thanks for the note. i have many side effects but hotflashes have not been a major problem but  a friend of mine with b.c. does and the effexor has helped her a great deal so sure hope you have the same results. wouldn't it be nice if all of us on chemo or controlled poison as i call it didn't have to put up with miserable side effects! good luck and keep us posted with your progress....ripple

  • WNYnurse
    WNYnurse Member Posts: 23
    edited November 2008

    Just diagnosed Oct 24 with BC.  Had bilateral mastectomy.  Right one for the BC and the other prophylactic.  Turns out I have good decision making powers because the left one had it also.  There will be no chemo, no radiation, just hormones.  My only problem right now is major depression.  Why...

  • WNYnurse
    WNYnurse Member Posts: 23
    edited November 2008

    Diagnosed recently with BC found on a routine mammography in Aug.  Had a bilateral mastectomy, one which had the cancer, the other prophylactic.  At my visit on 10/30 the surgeon wanted to know if I had a crystal ball, the breast removed prophylactic was also precancerous. The medical oncologist stated no chemo, no radiation just hormone therapy.  I was ready for the surgery because I thought that the hereditary paget's disease was going to be the course of BC so 25 years ago I was ready for the surgeon that I had.  But know I am dealing with depression when I should not be.  I am confused with my feelings.....

  • KAK
    KAK Member Posts: 1,679
    edited November 2008

    WNY, you have every right to feel depressed.  You just went through being diagnosed with a life threatening disease, major surgery which amputated two of the most intimate parts of your body & then found out you dodged a bullet you didn't even know was there.  How the heck do you think you're supposed to feel?   Exhausted?  Yes.  Sad, sore, shook up, stunned, all of that would be appropriate.  That's why we have this forum, why we have support groups.  Pretend you're one of your patients.  What would you say to yourself?  You'd be compassionate & validating, wouldn't you?

    Hugs to you,

    Kathi

  • WNYnurse
    WNYnurse Member Posts: 23
    edited November 2008

    KAK

    Thanks for the support.  I feel exhausted, stunned and confused.  I am upbeat for fellow employees, and even patients, but for me I am too tried to be upbeat. Sleeping is the only thing I want to do.  The upbeat attitude I had at the beginning of the week is gone today.  Dear husband is of no help, no family around and friends who have their own problems and lives.  I just want to know that I am not going crazy.... Feeling good about what I did, and where I am going, yet depressed about ....... (I am not sure).

  • KAK
    KAK Member Posts: 1,679
    edited November 2008

    WNY, listen, you know I'm sure that it's normal after major surgery to develop a seratonin deficiency.  I see that with patients all the time, from joint replacements to CABG.  So, perhaps you could talk to your surgeon, med onc or even your PCP about taking something.  Effexor, Celexa & Lexapro are all antidepressants that work well with any of the hormone therapies, and Effexor is particularly known for decreasing the side effects of hormone therapies.  I'm on it now, & it's working very well.  So, no reason not to start it a bit sooner.  Why wait till you start the hormones?  It's a very effective med. 

    Good luck & stay in touch.  The whole cancer adventure sideswipes you a lot more than you can anticipate.  It certainly did me, but I'm finally feeling like myself again.  This forum helps, I returned to counseling which has helped, the Effexor has helped, extra sleep helps, being patient with myself helps. 

    Kathi

  • bar62
    bar62 Member Posts: 321
    edited November 2008

    Hey there nurses:)

    My mom died 4 years ago Thanksgiving eve.This morning I  finally felt like cleaning out some of her  personal items. I found this scarf, tied it on and decided to post a picture. Thanks for the scarf   mom...  you knew  I needed help. .I just know she made me get up and clean out some of her things. She was always a neat-nik.

    hugs to everyone,

    mina 

  • CathyMcD
    CathyMcD Member Posts: 8
    edited November 2008

    Hello all!! Glad I found this thread!

    I am a 2nd career RN; graduated in 2007 at age of 51. Worked at Hopkins bone marrow transplant unit right out of school. Loved it but couldn't do commute. Worked in a hospital onc/renal for about 6 months, loved patients, hated the politics and nurse-bashing. Settled into nursing home position this past June. Had applied to hospice at that time, but no openings. Hospice is why I went to nursing school.

    Worst day of my life so far: 10/13/08. Received cancer dx. Got dream job offer from Hospice. Couldn't take new job due to insurance.

    Cancer dx DCIS bilat and IDC left side. Had bilat mastectomy on 11/17 with expanders put in. SNB negative. Still have two drains in. Expanders killing me!

    Major concern right now: have not been at nursing home long enough to qualify for disability pay. Husband retired on small fixed income. Financially speaking, need to return to work in about 3 weeks. Physically speaking, not sure will be able to work with expander discomfort. Am about ready to tell PS to take expanders out.

    Positives: Hospice says that I will be first in line for RN position when I am able.

    I have read most all of the posts here and there's a lot of good info.

    Any advice you folks could give on dealing with expanders and trying to work would be much appreciated. I have discovered that I am a REALLY impatient patient! Who knew???

    Thanks,

    Cathy

  • KAK
    KAK Member Posts: 1,679
    edited December 2008

    Cathy, call your doc about the expanders.  He may have filled them too much & need to draw some fluid out & go more slowly.  I've read similar experiences on other threads.

    Mina, your story is very touching.  And you look wonderful in your mom's scarf.

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