what is BRCA testing and why
I can't seem to get a handle on the BRCA testing...why have it? who should have it? what will the results change?
I am in the middle of chemo 4 DD A/C, 12 T...receiving Avastin/placebo (E5103). I had a lumpectomy, no node involvement, but lymphovascuar invasion present...triple neg
thanks for any insights or resources
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This does tell your doctor a little more about your treatment options. With triple negs they are pretty aggressive any way. This was really never a issue for me because my disease is so aggressive that they were 99.9% sure I carried the Gene. This is a lot about showing "possible" risk for other family members that have a change of getting bc. I found this article earlier this month.
Breast cancer gene tests - not worth the price? Biotechnology firms hope to cash in on women's fear of the disease COMMENTARY By Arthur Caplan, Ph.D.
Fear of breast cancer has created a tempting market for companies to sell genetic testing directly to consumers. The disease kills 40,000 people a year in the U.S., with an estimated 212,920 new cases diagnosed in 2007, according to the Mayo Clinic.
It's no wonder women would want a reliable gauge of their risk. However, American women should be aware that genetic tests for breast cancer are more hype than real hope.
On Wednesday the biotech research company Decode Genetics of Reykjavik, Iceland, announced it will sell a new test for $1,625 that it claims will allow women "to assess their personal risk for the common forms of breast cancer."
Genetic testing for all sorts of conditions is all the rage these days. Everywhere you turn, some company is urging you to spit in a cup, take some blood or swab your cheek so your DNA can reveal your health risks, know who your long-dead ancestors are, pick the right mate or help you design a diet that is perfect for your genetic makeup. But, "spitomics" has gotten way ahead of genomics.
Sadly, the tests Decode and other companies are offering are more likely to empty family pocketbooks and leave women with a false sense of security than they are to prevent breast cancer. There is simply not enough federal and international regulation in place to determine which tests are accurate or how heredity interacts with lifestyle to create individual risks.
If the Food and Drug Administration and Congress do not rein in the corporate greed that is currently driving the sale of genetic tests for breast cancer and other diseases and conditions, we could soon have an industry that bears an uncanny resemblance to the home mortgage business.
Marketing for genetic tests is already ubiquitous. The television commercials and magazine ads, which ran in Denver, Atlanta and various cities in the Northeast, promise women that cancer does not have to be "inevitable." They also claim that the average woman can reduce her risk of developing cancer through genetic testing.
Myriad Genetics, the Salt Lake City biotechnology company behind the heavy ad push, charges about $3,000 for a complete risk-disposition test. Myriad, which holds a patent on the first breast cancer test, has been taking full advantage of the genetic testing monopoly it enjoyed until Wednesday when Decode entered the market with its new, more generalized test. To date, Myriad has been very tough about enforcing the patent, even though medical centers in the United States and other countries say they could do the same testing for a much lower cost.
Only small fraction would benefit
In reality, the numbers about detectable risk don't really back up Myriad's ad claims.Of the more than 200,000 new breast cancer cases, only about 20,000 seem to be connected to the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes - the genes most closely linked to the inherited form of the disease that Myriad's test can detect. For women without a family history of the disease, perhaps 1 percent would benefit from the test.
On one hand, it would seem to make sense to seek out genetic testing to avoid becoming a breast cancer statistic. Or does it?
Contrary to the marketing messages, only women who have a strong family history of breast cancer - two or more parents, grandparents or siblings who have developed the disease - need to talk to their doctor or a genetic counselor about the value of any form of genetic testing.
Decode's newer test is not really accurate enough or based on a large enough sample of women to accurately predict much about an individual woman's chance of getting breast cancer.
If you are worried about your risk of getting the disease, or are thinking about getting a genetic test done for any other reason, talk with your doctor or a genetic counselor who can determine whether your family history justifies the expense. You may be surprised to find that you can make changes in lifestyle and monitoring your own health that can reduce your risk without testing.
The genetic revolution holds much promise for improving our health. Currently, profit and market advantage are playing the key roles in shaping how genetic testing is evolving. These are not the right navigation tools to help women at risk of breast cancer - or the rest of us - capture that promise.
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Do you have any BRCA risks?
Such as a family history of early onset (pre-menopausal) bc? Bi-lateral bc? Oc?
For those who are BRCA1 such as me, it turns out there were classic signs, but I didn't know that when first dx'd (early stage, clear nodes). I'm the 3rd generation dx'd pre-menopausally - and the 2nd one with bi-lat bc - and at that time, I didn't know the significance of either. My genetic counselor didn't tell me.
For BRCA1 here is an 80% chance of bc by age 80! So of course, it is a much higher risk at every age than the general population. For those BRCA positive, there is a higher rate of oc - and there are some higher rates of cancer for men.
While 80% of BRCA1's are trip neg and approx 80% of BRCA2's are er/pr +, it does NOT go the other way for trip negs. Note: There is only a 5-10% chance of a woman being BRCA. And yes, males or females can both have the mutation and pass it on. There is a 50% chance of passing it to a child.
For a great source of info, check out FORCE (Facing Our Risk of Cancer Empowered) at www.facingourrisk.org
I didn't find out I was BRCA1 until my recurr & mets dx. I had already had bi-lateral lumpectomies. Knowing what I know now, I may have made different choices - such as bi-lat mast & implant recon. While there are many recon options, my preferred option was implants - which is very risky once you've had radiation. There is also strong encouragement for prophylactic ooph's - for both BRCA1 & BRCA2.
If you're interested in knowing more about BRCA, I'd check out the FORCE website. For a personal risk assesstment, make an appt with a genetic counselor to discuss BRCA.
CalGal
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Knowledge is Power!!
floridaLady- the BRCA test tells a tremedous amount and really helped me make my decsion
I was Dx with Breast cancer- we all know how scary and terrible that is.
My maternal aunt died of BC and i am an Eastern European jew, so BRCA testing was covered- I was not convinced by TV or Magazine ads, but by my BS, Oncologist and a Certified Genetic Counsellor- no marketing here- real facts!
I am BRCA2+. Based upon this information, I changed my mind from Lumpectomy to double mastectomy and oopherectomy. I hope to never have the phone call "you have cancer" again, never go thru chemo again, etc. there are no guarantees in life, but I did all I could. I know too many women who went thru it once, only to find another lump in the other breast and had to start all over again- they WISH they had a BRCA test. so much for more hype than hope! I really find this comment insulting to all the educated geneticists who are trying to find out why we get this terrible disease.
One last point- BRCA also puts you at high risk for ovarian cancer- which has no good screening test AT ALL!!
I do not believe in statistics- remember the odds of our lump being cancerous was low- that did not help any of us who had cancerous lumps. Even my BS said she believes many more cancers are genetic- we just do not know enough yet and so few have any sort of genetic testing done.
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I did not write this article...I only posted this info. Use the info as you wish. I can tell you out of the five oncologist and three surgeons I've been to...only one recommended this test for me or my family. They feel it much to early to put stock in this test without more research done. These test are not being tested on enough of the population to see the whole picture. My BS does not believe bc is genetic. We all carry some kind of cancer cells..something must trigger them to go bad.
I post this for other who need to ask their doctor's for more information. I believe insurance would have to pay for these test if they were the tell all for treatment. Why are so many insurance companies refusing to pay for this test? Do your own research and make your own choices is all I'm saying. For the ladies who can't afford this, you still get good treatment because they will use your pathology report to make decision about treatment needed.
Flalady
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Here is a positive article:
Mutations in BRCA1 and BRCA2 are thought to account for 5-10% of breast and ovarian cancer cases. Although mutations are rare, genetic tests are available to women with evidence of a family history of breast and/or ovarian cancers. The genetic tests screen for deleterious mutations in a person's BRCA1 or BRCA2 gene. Interpreting the results of a BRCA1 and/or BRCA2 genetic test, which uses a woman's family history of breast and ovarian cancer, can be difficult. False-negative results lead to a false sense of reassurance. False-positive results lead to unnecessary anxiety and treatment.
Researchers at the University of Utah and Myriad Genetics investigated the use of positive and negative ‘predictive value' analysis as one tool for health care workers to use to interpret BRCA1 and BRCA2 test results. A predictive positive decreases the risk of a false positive test. A predictive negative test decreases the risk of a false negative test. Results from their experiments show including the family history of the following relatives serves as useful predictive factors for interpreting the results of a BRCA1 and/or BRCA2 test:- a person with a relative with ovarian cancer
- a relative with male breast cancer
- bilateral cancer in a patient
- breast cancer in a patient below 40 years of age
- breast cancer in one relative who is below 50 years of age
Using the relative family criteria listed above, a predictive value test is extremely useful for women whose pretest probability of breast and/or ovarian cancer is between 10 and 40%. The likelihood of a false-postive test decreases as the pretest probability increases. The false-positive rate for a person with a 10% pretest probability is 5%, while the false-positive rate for a woman with a 40% pretest probability is 1%. The likelihood of a false negative result increases as the pre-test probability of a mutation increases. The false-negative rate for a person with a 10% pretest probability is 2%, while the false-positive rate for a woman with a 40% pretest probability is 9%. The risk of a false positive test result is 0% for a woman with a pre-test probability of a mutation greater than 50%. For a woman with a pre-test probability of a mutation greater than 50%, the risk of a false negative, however, begins at 13% and increases.
Dr. Susan Neuhausen at the University of Utah reports, "The predictive value of BRCA1 and BRCA2 testing is comparable to breast biopsies and mammograms."
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Let the Patient Beware: Implications of Genetic Breast-Cancer Testing Linda Bird Randolph
Affiliation: PENN Health Magazine
Last Modified: November 1, 2001These are confusing times for women who are concerned about their chances of developing breast cancer. Now that they have relatively easy access to genetic tests, many women -- especially those with a family history of cancer -- are trying to decide whether they should be tested. But which groups of women should have the test is not clear. In addition, once a test is done, it is difficult for physicians to interpret the result and to make recommendations to patients, because the research community is constantly uncovering more information on this relatively new discovery.
To help women sift through some of the conflicting reports on genetic testing for breast cancer, and to provide some food for thought, Mildred Cho, Ph.D., assistant professor at Penn's Center for Bioethics, gave a presentation on "The Ethical and Social Implication of Genetic Breast Cancer Testing." The talk was a part of a well-attended, day-long symposium called "Life After Breast Cancer," held on April 29. The object of the program -- sponsored by the University of Pennsylvania Cancer Center and now in its sixth year -- is to provide information and support to survivors of breast cancer and their loved ones.
Genetic testing for hereditary breast and ovarian cancer has raised numerous ethical and social issues, Cho said. These tests can be used on women without symptoms to detect predispositions for cancer that might occur well into the future -- or not at all. And although tests can reveal mutations, they do not tell the whole story or take into account other possible contributing factors, such as lifestyle, family history, or other genes that might come into play.
Because information about test performance and the efficacy of treatment is still incomplete, experts generally agree that, currently, it is only appropriate to screen women who come from high-risk families. Yet tests are available to women outside the research protocol, and commercial companies are marketing the tests to women who may not be at high risk.
Cho emphasized that women considering whether to be tested must take into account the potential risks and lack of information. According to Cho, before anyone takes any type of medical test, he or she should know certain things: how accurate and predictive a test is; what the possibility is of false positives or negatives; and whether there is anything the patient can do to prevent or treat the disease.
For the time being, women have to make their decisions without all of the answers. "One of the reasons for this limited amount of information," Cho said, "is the difficulty of getting data about the performance of tests that detect late-onset conditions." For such data, she explained, "you'd have to follow up people for a long time. And we just haven't had that much time since the development of the test."
Perhaps the most important thing that women should know before testing for BRCA1 or BRCA2, the mutated genes, is that a positive test does not mean a patient will definitely get cancer. "There are false positives and false negatives," Cho said. "In fact, BRCA1 and BRCA2 are not, as diagnostic tests go, terribly accurate."
According to Cho, most articles in the medical literature and the lay press about BRCA1 say that the risk of breast cancer with a positive genetic test is 85 percent. But, she said, there is recent evidence that this risk figure may actually be much lower in individuals who do not have a very strong family history of cancer. (See editor's note.)
Cho asked the audience to bear in mind that disease-associated genes are usually identified first in families that are at very high risk. With BRCA1 and BRCA2, she said, "many of the women who were studied initially came from families in which multiple relatives have breast or ovarian cancer. The present data on the accuracy and predictive value of the tests comes mostly from these very-high-risk populations. Once a gene is identified that is associated with a disease, it takes a long time and many samples from lower-risk populations to determine whether the test performs as well in those situations."
In general, genetic tests are less predictive in populations with a lower incidence or lower severity of disease. "Without systematic and long-term data collection," Cho said, "we'll not know what the predictive value of BRCA1 and BRCA2 testing really is in actual clinical use if it's used in people who do not have a strong family history of the disease, and that's generally not considered appropriate right now."
Not only does it appear that genetic tests may have varying significance in higher- and lower-risk populations, Cho said, but the data on the efficacy of preventive measures and treatments may not apply equally to those with strong or weak family histories of cancer. "Many studies on prevention such as prophylactic mastectomies or mammography were not necessarily designed to take into account factors relevant to hereditary breast and ovarian cancer, which may have a very different kind of mechanism," she explained. "For example, while an increased frequency of mammography may sound like a good idea for people who test positive for BRCA1 and BRCA2, there is the question about whether that is a good idea if this group of people is potentially more likely to be sensitive to radiation damage."
At present, said Cho, regulation of genetic testing is minimal, which contributes to the lack of pooled information. The Food and Drug Administration does not regulate the tests; and although the Health Care Financing Administration regulates laboratory quality, it does not determine whether a diagnostic test is safe or effective.
The long consent forms and dense brochures that many genetic testing programs have developed "may deliver too much information," said Cho. In her view, these written "informed consent" materials should be supplemented with one-on-one discussions with the health care provider. But studies indicate that these talks do not always happen. Cho told of a recently published study on commercial genetic testing for familial colon cancer that showed that only 18.6 percent of patients received genetic counseling before they took the test. Only 16.9 percent of patients provided written informed consent before testing. "Furthermore," Cho added, "nearly a third of the physicians ordering the test misinterpreted the test results."
According to Cho, patients have to keep in mind that knowing their medical family tree could have unexpected consequences. For some patients, finding out that they have the mutation could be "toxic knowledge" that might affect their outlook on life. "When you're evaluating the ethics of a genetic test, the medical risks and benefits have to be placed in the larger context of social and psychological risks." One risk she cited was job discrimination if an employer knows an applicant's medical history. And women who test positive but who do not yet have the disease -- and who may never develop it -- face the same possibility of social and psychological disturbances and discrimination.
Cho referred to a study published last year in Science magazine that surveyed 332 members of support groups for genetic disorders, not necessarily for breast cancer: 25 percent of the respondents or their affected family members believed they had been refused life insurance because of their genetic disorder. In addition, 22 percent believed that they were refused health insurance and 13 percent believe that they were denied a job on the same basis.
Another study Cho cited showed that some women have unexpected responses to their test results. Some women may find relief or empowerment from their results, whether positive or negative. However, a small but significant proportion may actually become more anxious or depressed after either a positive or a negative test result.
As Cho put it, "The onus -- for better or for worse -- is on patients to be alert and proactive about getting their own information about testing." She emphasized that patients must keep in mind that genetic testing for breast cancer is voluntary and that each patient has the right to decide whether to test, despite any pressure from their health care providers. "And practitioners," Cho added, "need to be aware of the potential downside of testing and to be educated on how to counsel and interpret test results. Or know when to refer to specialists who have this expertise already."
Editor's note: Shortly after Cho's talk, a Penn research team led by Barbara Weber, MD, associate professor of medicine and genetics, published findings in The New England Journal of Medicine that showed that BRCA1 mutations were found in only 16 percent of women with a family history of breast cancer. As the study notes, the percentage is "less than the 45 percent predicted by genetic-linkage analysis." The figure drops to 7 percent in the case of women from families with a history of breast cancer but not ovarian cancer. Among women with family histories of both breast and ovarian cancer, the risk of having BRCA1 mutations was higher. For example, "BRCA1 mutations were identified in . . . 18 of 45 families (40 percent) with members with both breast and ovarian cancer." Weber's study concluded: "Even in a referral clinic specializing in screening women from high-risk families, the majority of tests for BRCA1 mutations will be negative and therefor uninformative."
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Just personal experience:
In 1996, I was dx'd w/ stage II breast cancer (right breast). Had a lumpectomy as recommended by doctors.
In 1999, I was dx'd again w/ stage II PRIMARY breast cancer (left breast). Also had a lumpectomy as recommended.
In 2003, the first right breast recurred in the right breast. This time I chose bilateral mastectomy.
In 2006, I was dx'd metastasis to the lungs. And yes, this time I got tested and was positive for BRCA1 mutation.
Had I known I had the mutation & the seriousness of the mutation way back in the 90's, I would have had bilateral then. Being BRCA1, I had 80% chance of developing breast cancer. And just because I have been diagnosed with one bc once, it doesn't mean that my risk diminishes. After lumpectomy, chemo, rad in 1996/7, since I still had both breasts, I STILL have 80% of developing new breast cancer again. And I did.
In your case, genetic testing may provide helpful if you're ready to take drastic measures (such as prophylactic mastectomy and/or oophorectomy) should you test positive for BRCA1/2 mutation.
Another thing to think about is your family members who may also carry BRCA1/2 mutations IF you do. In my case, my sister who has 50/50 chance of being BRCA1 as well, turned out to be. She was also diagnosed with stage II bc earlier this year.
Also, since knowing my BRCA1 status, I was able to participate in a clinical trial that was only specific for BRCA1/2.
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PineHouse, thanks for your input. I have an appointment tomorrow with a genetic counselor to get more info. I do have family history of breast cancer (a maternal aunt and a paternal aunt). I guess my biggest concerns are recurrence and ovarian cancer.
I don't have any sisters (3 brothers) but I do have 2 daughters..I'm wondering what the ramifications are for them if I test positive. They are young (12 and 16)
Thanks all for your input - I'm hoping to get more info tomorrow at the appointment. I'm bringing my mother to help with the family history! She is the only one of her siblings who hasn't had any cancers.
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