Delayed onset lymphedema?

Kessala
Kessala Member Posts: 189
edited July 2020 in Lymphedema

How long are we at risk of developing lymphedema?  I thought we're at risk the rest of our lives but I'm being challenged that our risk only lasts 10 years and then we're safe.

I've been searching online for this information but can only find ways to lower our risk or how to treat lymphedema once it has started.

Could someone please post links to information showing lymphedema is a lifetime risk?

Thank you!

Kessala

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  • SpunkyGirl
    SpunkyGirl Member Posts: 1,568
    edited November 2008

    Kessala,

    I'm sure you're finding out what a lot of women on these boards run into daily, that there is a lot of ignorance out there when it comes to LE.  The reason we are at a lifetime LE risk is because we have had lymph nodes removed, surgeries and radiation that have permanently altered our body's ability to process lymph fluid.  That's probably also why you see more information on LE prevention than risk.  I guess it is true that many women get LE shortly after one of these life-altering events, but following the LE prevention guidelines is, in my opinion, important to always do.  I'm just over two years out, and I firmly believe that I would have LE if not for my lymph sleeve, practicing MLD, and following the LE prevention guidelines.  I wouldn't bother debating this topic with someone who's not at risk, or anyone who argues that it is "only ten years".  I'm sorry I don't have an official link to send you to, but I hope my opinion helps.

    Hugs

    Bobbie

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited November 2008

    I recently came across an article in The Cancer Journal about the issues after axillary surgery, both axillary dissection and sentinel node biopsy--and a sobering fact: after axillary dissection, one study followed women for 20 years and the incidence of any LE was 49% with an additional 1%/year joining the group. No one has studied the SNB people for any length of time, so the numbers vary, but one study showed 7% at 6 months out.

      Radiation raises the risks. Again, you can't get consistent numbers, even with looking at lots of articles, but it is at least an additional 3%, likely more.

      I think Bobbie's advice is very wise: be pro-active, follow the prevention guidelines and be alert to the symptoms.

      A study published in 1998, a supplement on LE by the American Cancer Society, showed that half of the women responding to a mail survey had had swelling, but never reported it to a health care provider.

      No one even agrees on the criteria to diagnose LE: in the past it was arm circumference, but now we have bioimpedance. So, I've looked and looked and there's no one number I can quote, except that 49% over 20 years for axillary node dissection.

      I think it's a life long risk, and protect your at risk arm, even after the decade has passed--in my opinion.

    Kira 

  • LindaLou53
    LindaLou53 Member Posts: 929
    edited November 2008

    Hi Kessala, 

    LE is a lifetime risk and while 75% of lymphedema onset occurs in the first 3 years following treatment, there are still patients who don't experience the onset of LE until many years later.  Here is a link to a recent (12/2007) and fairly comprehensive article on LE.  It may require that you register with MedScape to see the second page.  I can copy/paste the full length article here if you have a problem viewing the link.

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/566471_1 

    Here are just a few excerpts:

    "Breast cancer treatment-related lymphedema is caused by disruption of the axillary bed by excision of lymph nodes and/or radiation therapy (RT) to the area. Patients undergoing these procedures are at a lifetime risk of developing edema not only in the upper extremity, but also in the ipsilateral upper quadrant and remaining breast tissue.[1]"

    "The onset of lymphedema may occur at the time of treatment or may be delayed several decades.[2]"

    Here is another link to a 1992 article detailing the onset of LE in a woman 30 years post mastectomy. Her LE developed after she started doing daily finger sticks to check blood sugar following a recent diagnosis of diabetes.

    http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/1739437 

    Hope this helps.

  • Kessala
    Kessala Member Posts: 189
    edited November 2008

    LindaLou, thank you for your response about LE being a liftime risk. 

    I was unable to see any of the medscape article you mentioned (the first article that you referenced).  I would greatly appreciate if you could copy and paste the article for me.

    Thank you so much!

    Kessala

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2008

    Kessala--my mom is a 22 year survivor of ILC.  She had lumpectomy, radiation, tamoxifen, and axillary node dissection (they didn't have SNB back then)--didn't develop LE until 6 years after diagnosis. It was under control for many years, but then she fell and badly fractured her wrist 2 years ago--it was so swollen, they couldn't cast it and she ended up with an external fixator device (pins and screws) attached to her arm for 6 weeks.  Unfortunately, that made the LE even worse, but they had no other option. She had to go back for therapy more for the LE issue, than for the broken wrist.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited November 2008

    Aaaaugh!! My wrist hurts just reading that, awb! She managed to avoid an infection through all that too? Man, what a trouper -- salute her for me!
    Binney

  • CrabbyPatti
    CrabbyPatti Member Posts: 12
    edited November 2008

    Shortly after my treatments ended my right arm swelled from the elbow to my fingers.  It lasted a couple weeks and I just treated it gingerly.  The nurses at my oncologists office said I should have physical therapy but no one wrote the scrip.  I should have followed up but I was so sick & tired of going to doctors appointments I was hoping it would just go away. 

    It did go away but I have a question.  What do I need to do, if anything, to keep any infection or swelling from happening again?  Does it just happen or does something cause the swelling for no apparent reason?

    Thanks 

  • LindaLou53
    LindaLou53 Member Posts: 929
    edited November 2008
    Here you go Kessala! 
     
     
    Prevention and Treatment of Lymphedema Related to Breast Cancer

    Peter A. S. Johnstone, MD, FACR; Tammy E. Mondry, DPT, MSRS, CLT-LANAMedscape Hematology-Oncology.  2007; ©2007 Medscape
    Posted 12/14/2007

    Introduction

    Lymphedema is an abnormal accumulation of protein-rich fluid in an extremity due to a low volume mechanical insufficiency of the lymphatic system. Breast cancer treatment-related lymphedema is caused by disruption of the axillary bed by excision of lymph nodes and/or radiation therapy (RT) to the area. Patients undergoing these procedures are at a lifetime risk of developing edema not only in the upper extremity, but also in the ipsilateral upper quadrant and remaining breast tissue.[1]

    The onset of lymphedema may occur at the time of treatment or may be delayed several decades.[2] The frequency of upper extremity lymphedema after an axillary lymph node dissection (ALND) and/or RT ranges from 6.0% to 33.5%.[3-11]Lymphedema of the breast after ALND and RT is reported to be 9.6%.[9] The occurrence of lymphedema after a sentinel lymph node biopsy (SLNB) is 2.6% to 3.0%.[7,12] When SLNB is performed, tumor location in the upper outer quadrant has been identified as a risk factor for lymphedema.[12]

    There are two commonly used classification systems for lymphedema. The American Physical Therapy Association (APTA) uses the maximum girth difference between the involved and uninvolved limb to identify the degree of lymphedema. A maximum girth difference less than 3 cm is rated as mild lymphedema; 3 to 5 cm differential is considered moderate; and 5-plus cm differential is considered severe.[13] The International Society of Lymphology also has devised criteria to grade the degree of lymphedema.[14] Stage I is referred to as "Reversible Lymphedema." In this stage, the edematous limb will be soft to palpation and will present with pitting edema. This stage is named for the temporary resolution of edema after prolonged elevation. Stage II is "Spontaneously Irreversible Lymphedema." The edematous limb is much firmer to palpation due to increased fibrosis and soft tissue scarring. There is some temporary reduction of edema with prolonged elevation, but not complete resolution. Stage III is "Lymphostatic Elephantiasis," which is characterized by gross enlargement of the limb. There is hardening and thickening of the dermal tissues with the formation of polyps on the skin. Swelling is not reduced with prolonged elevation of the limb.

    Prevention of Lymphedema

    The management of lymphedema should always begin with preoperative evaluation and education. This should include recording baseline girth and volume measurements of bilateral upper extremities, educating the patient about arm/hand care guidelines, and noting any factors that may put the patient at an additional risk for the development of lymphedema.

    Having baseline measurements of girth and volume facilitates earlier detection and treatment of lymphedema. There is currently no gold standard for the definition of lymphedema. Proposed definitions include: (a) a 200 mL limb volume difference; (b) 10% difference in limb volume; and (c) 2.0 cm circumferential difference, but these are not equivalent.[15] It is thus important that healthcare practitioners be aware of signs and symptoms that may be precursors to the clinical diagnosis of lymphedema.

    A prospective cohort study tested the predictive and discriminatory validity of using the patient's symptoms related to limb volume change to determine the presence of clinically measurable lymphedema.[16] The importance of using self-reported symptoms lies in their ability to detect lymphedema at an earlier stage of development. The 2 symptoms that were predictive of a maximal limb difference of 2 cm or more were "heaviness in the past year" and "swelling now."[16] The findings of this study suggest that a combination of symptom assessment and limb volume measurements may provide the best clinical assessment data for identifying changes associated with breast cancer-related lymphedema.

    Arm Care Guidelines

    The patient should be instructed about arm care guidelines to decrease the risk of developing lymphedema. Risk reduction practices include skin care, modification of activity and lifestyle, avoiding limb constriction, using compression garments, and avoiding extreme temperatures.[17] Ridner[18] performed a retrospective study that compared patients' recall of lymphedema pretreatment education between women with and without breast cancer treatment-related lymphedema, and identified breast cancer survivors' perceived sources of lymphedema education. The results indicated that individuals with lymphedema consistently recalled receiving less education about risk and prevention. The authors concluded that pretreatment lymphedema education may improve breast cancer survivors' recall of educational information received about lymphedema, and risk reduction education may influence the risk of developing lymphedema.[18]

    Patient Risk Factors

    In addition to educating the patient about risk reduction practices, it is also important to note any factors that may put the patient at an additional risk for the development of lymphedema. Patient risk factors include the stage of cancer at diagnosis, age, obesity, hypertension, and whether the patient received chemotherapy.[19] Patients with more advanced nodal disease are likely to have more extensive axillary surgery along with axillary radiotherapy, which increases the risk of lymphedema.[19] Older age has been found to be associated with an increase in the risk of lymphedema subsequent to RT.[19] Obesity is a strong predictor of arm edema, and hypertension is also noted to increase the risk of arm lymphedema after axillary surgery and RT.[19] Chemotherapy has been reported in some series to increase the complication rate associated with breast RT, including arm edema.[19]

    Treatment of Lymphedema

    If lymphedema is diagnosed, early intervention is necessary. Although there is no cure for the pathology/pathophysiology of breast cancer treatment-related lymphedema, treatment can decrease and maintain the size of the limb.

    Complete decongestive therapy (CDT) is a 2-phase program that consists of a treatment phase and a maintenance phase. The use of CDT is becoming much more widely accepted and is now considered the standard of care by the International Society of Lymphology.[20] The treatment phase involves 4 components: (a) skin and nail care, (b) manual lymph drainage, (c) compression bandaging, and (d) therapeutic exercise. Manual lymph drainage (MLD) is a manipulative technique used to facilitate lymph flow by increasing the pumping rate of the superficial lymph vessels. The treatment is performed daily with reassessment of limb girth occurring at the end of each week. If the patient's limb girth and volume measurements indicate a reduction when compared to those of the previous week, then the patient continues for another week of therapy. If the patient's limb measurements plateau as compared to the previous week, then the patient begins the maintenance phase. The maintenance phase consists of (a) continued skin and nail care, (b) self-MLD, (c) compression garments worn during the day, (d) self-compression bandaging performed at night, (e) a home exercise program, and (f) reassessments of limb girth and volume, as well as replacement of the compression garments every 6 months.

    During the treatment phase, it is important that the patient adhere to all 4 components of the program and, more importantly, maintain the compression bandages on the limb. A prospective study examined the effects of low stretch compression bandaging alone and in combination with manual lymph drainage on arm lymphedema after treatment for breast cancer.[21] The results of the study determined that volume reduction between the compression bandaging group and the compression bandaging plus MLD group was not significant, although the percent reduction was significantly different. Both groups reported a reduction in the feeling of heaviness and tension in the arm, but only the compression bandaging and MLD group experienced a significant decrease in pain. This study concluded that compression bandaging is an effective treatment for volume reduction of slight or moderate breast cancer treatment-related lymphedema, and MLD adds a positive effect. Our group has reported a prospective trial demonstrating that MLD/CDT provided beneficial response in terms of pain and quality of life persisting through 12 months of follow-up.[22]

    There is some controversy about the role of resistive exercise in this setting, since some speculate that resistive exercise may exacerbate lymphedema. A randomized controlled trial was performed to examine the effects of supervised upper and lower body weight training on the incidence and symptoms of breast cancer treatment-related lymphedema.[23] Circumferential measurements and self-reported symptoms were assessed at baseline and at 6 months. The results of the study indicate that none of the subjects experienced a change in the arm circumference after the 6-month intervention exercise program. The self-reported symptoms also did not vary. This study concluded that a 6-month intervention of resistance exercise did not increase the risk for or exacerbate symptoms of lymphedema.

    Some lymphedema therapists may be averse to performing manipulative therapy in patients with metastatic disease, or with existing disease in the draining anatomic bed. We have maintained that metastatic disease is a function of the underlying cancer, and not of lymphatic pressure differentials within the patient.[24] Furthermore, we have published that patients who undergo MLD/CDT with disease in the draining lymphatic bed require significantly more treatments to plateau, but achieve similar results as patients without such disease.[25] Similarly, while a history of RT will increase the likelihood of lymphedema, its use does not make the lymphedema any more difficult to treat, or success any less likely.[26]

    Once the treatment phase is completed, the patient begins the maintenance phase. The maintenance phase is a lifelong self-care program. It is therefore important that the patient have an understanding of lymphedema and the importance of the maintenance program. A qualitative study was performed by Radina and colleagues[27] to determine the accuracy of patient knowledge about lymphedema. An evaluation of the participants' lymphedema chronic condition representations and management choices revealed that these women had a fairly clear understanding of lymphedema. The participants were able to discuss the causes and management strategies of their condition. Despite the high knowledge level of these participants, they still seemed confused about the simultaneous roles of exercise as a lymphedema cause and management strategy. The patient should therefore be educated about proper exercise techniques to avoid confusion and ensure adherence to the maintenance program. Compliance with the maintenance phase has been shown to be related to better outcomes.[28]

    There is currently no cure for lymphedema; therefore, once a diagnosis of lymphedema is made, it must be monitored over the course of the patient's life span. The patient should undergo reassessments of limb girth and volume every 6 months to monitor the condition and modify or redirect therapy as appropriate. A qualitative study was performed to describe the experience of managing lymphedema in breast cancer survivors.[29] The study determined that the participants came to the realization that their arms could get bigger if they did not continue taking care of their lymphedema. They also realized that not taking care of their lymphedema would intensify their physical sensations, such as discomfort and/or pain, soreness, aching, burning sensations, and the feeling of heaviness, rigidity, or tiredness in the affected upper quadrant. The study suggested that instead of merely evaluating breast cancer survivors' degree of compliance with treatment, practitioners should also assess the impact of the presence or absence of the patient's intentions to manage their lymphedema, to determine the patient's consciousness of actions toward lymphedema management.

    Conclusion

    In conclusion, the recommended guidelines for lymphedema management should include preoperative assessment and patient education for lymphedema prevention; early detection through symptom and limb measurement assessment; early intervention with a comprehensive treatment program once lymphedema is diagnosed; and continued assessment and maintenance, with patient education every 6 months.

    Supported by an independent educational grant from Susan G. Komen for the Cure

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    Peter A. S. Johnstone, MD, FACR, Professor and Chair, Radiation Oncology Department, Indiana University School of Medicine, Indianapolis, Indiana

    Tammy E. Mondry, DPT, MSRS, CEO and President, New Horizons Physical Therapy, PC, San Diego, California

    Disclosure: Peter A. S. Johnstone, MD, has disclosed no relevant financial relationships.

    Disclosure: Tammy E. Mondry, DPT, MSRS, has disclosed no relevant financial relationships.


  • Kessala
    Kessala Member Posts: 189
    edited November 2008

    LindaLou, thank you so much for the information!

    This is exactly the type of article I was looking for.

    Kessala

  • MinusTwo
    MinusTwo Member Posts: 16,634
    edited July 2020

    Since apparently someone has decided to re-activate this thread - but then 'deleted' - I thought I'd add the StepUp Speak Out link. LOTS of good information for those of us who indeed ARE at lifetime risk.

    https://www.stepup-speakout.org/


  • Trishyla
    Trishyla Member Posts: 1,005
    edited July 2020

    Might have been the Mods who deleted the post, MinusTwo, after I reported them. They weren't battling breast cancer, they were just hawking their for profit lymphedema massage service in San Diego.

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