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  • DGHoff
    DGHoff Member Posts: 624
    edited October 2008

    Kaye, I also never thought my "I adore bacon more than any other food" husband would drink green smoothies, but now he is disappointed if I don't make enough for him.

    Ugh, on the economy. So long as I don't look at my 401K and how my contributions are evaporating, I will be fine. I just keep telling myself "I'm buying low, I'm buying low, I'm buying low." Isn't that what we are supposed to do to "build wealth?"  Maybe, but it sure is cringe-inducing to see that 401K statement. 

    DeAnn

  • nash
    nash Member Posts: 2,600
    edited October 2008

    Hi, girls. Hope everyone had a good weekend. Yes, the stock market is making my stomach churn as well. Ugh. Just keep chanting "Long-term, long-term" along with the "I'm buying low" refrain, and we all should be OK.

    Jackie--how are you feeling?

    Kaye--I'll have all my fingers and toes crossed that your MRI goes well this week and that they identify your Mystery Lump as a cyst or similar. Let us know as soon as you hear something.

    I will let you all know as soon as I feel confident that the ice show is going forward for sure. I got the proposal today from the skater who was going to help me produce the show, and he wants an ungodly sum of money, so I'm going to have to plow forward by my lonesome. I will be submitting a proposal to the skating club board of directors this week for a vote during their November meeting, so everyone keep your fingers crossed that they will be receptive. 

  • katoMato
    katoMato Member Posts: 645
    edited October 2008

    Hi Nash - I was thinking about you today. It's been pretty quiet on the boards...and I was gonna ask if everybody was ok out there...

    Is it normal for the producer (of a charity event, I might add) to ask a large sum of money? I am a "fundraising imbecille" so I really don't know. Isn't there a way to negotiate with him a percentage of  WHAT'S BROUGHT IN????Sheesh. It's not like this is his 9 to 5. I realize that's how they (producers) make their money, but there must be otheroptions.

    Hey June, Angie, Tami ...how're you all doing? (Jackie...do you like your new chest-mates yet, or is it too early to tell?)

    In other news....This being our favorite month (BC awareness month) I happened upon a real cool deal. If you buy one specially marked bag of PINK M & M's, um...probably a pound of M & M's) they donate 50 cents to Komen for the Cure. WooHoo!  I bought 2.

    Dh can't figure out why I just don't send $1.00 directly to Komen.

    He's SUCH a boy. 

  • katoMato
    katoMato Member Posts: 645
    edited October 2008

    Hi Nash - I was thinking about you today. It's been pretty quiet on the boards...and I was gonna ask if everybody was ok out there...

    Is it normal for the producer (of a charity event, I might add) to ask a large sum of money? I am a "fundraising imbecille" so I really don't know. Isn't there a way to negotiate with him a percentage of  WHAT'S BROUGHT IN????Sheesh. It's not like this is his 9 to 5. I realize that's how they (producers) make their money, but there must be otheroptions.

    Hey June, Angie, Tami ...how're you all doing? (Jackie...do you like your new chest-mates yet, or is it too early to tell?)

    In other news....This being our favorite month (BC awareness month) I happened upon a real cool deal. If you buy one specially marked bag of PINK M & M's, um...probably a pound of M & M's) they donate 50 cents to Komen for the Cure. WooHoo!  I bought 2.

    Dh can't figure out why I just don't send $1.00 directly to Komen.

    He's SUCH a boy. 

  • katoMato
    katoMato Member Posts: 645
    edited October 2008

    WHAT THE HECK IS THAT????

  • wackyjackie
    wackyjackie Member Posts: 669
    edited October 2008

    Hi Ladies,

    Kaye----I thought that was a new recipe for yours and DeAnn's smoothies.  Sounds just as appetizing as some you have described!!! (LOL) Sealedonly kidding, I swear.

    Nash, please don't stress about this event.  Take baby steps and I'm confident you are going to pull this off.  Is there anything I (who has no talent) can do to help you?  Please let me know.

    My new girls are very strange.  I still have stitches on one foob until Friday.  I like them, but I don't love them.   I guess it's too early in the relationship to tell.

    Ladies, I did the Making Strides for Breast Cancer walk today.  It was wonderful.  I went to the Survivor tent to get a t-shirt and survivor ribbon and all these survivors were there and they come over and hug you.  I'm crying just typing this.  It was very emotional.  But I must say it felt good.  The saddest part of the walk was looking around at all the very young survivors.  It's scary to see these young beautiful women and totally understand what they've been through.  I was truly inspired. I'm going to try and post pix on the other site.  We'll see if I can do that.

    Hugs to everyone, Jackie

  • katoMato
    katoMato Member Posts: 645
    edited October 2008

    (You mean Smoothie recipes like ... um... Kale, Avocado and Worchestershire sauce and blueberries don't sound yummy? Harrumph.)

    If the other site doesn't work, post your pix here! We'd love to see them!

  • nash
    nash Member Posts: 2,600
    edited October 2008

    Hi, girls. Well, Kaye, that was a tad funky--loved the smoothie recipe comment, though, Jackie.Sealed I needed a laugh! The bc walk sounds like it was a really intense experience--I'm so glad you had the opportunity to do that. And on the foob front, I think it will just take awhile for the new girls to settle in. Hey--last Halloween we were all set with our bald heads and surgery scars, and this year you've got the added bonus of stitches in one foob. How totally Bride of Frankenstein is that? Very cool.

    Well, Kaye, I don't know what skating producers charge, but this guy claims he was giving me a 1/2 price deal. Perhaps it would work if I was doing the show in a large arena, but the rink only seats 300. We can bring in bleachers for maybe another 150 seats. Not a lot of revenue potential in ticket sales, due to capacity. If I were able to raise the sort of sponsorship money it would take to cover this guy's fees, I would just hand the money straight over to bc.org (or go out and buy pink M & M's, which actually might be a more sensible course of action). He wanted his fee, (which included two other producers he works with) travel and lodging for all three of them from the East Coast, and an appearance fee for him to skate, which would all total about $15,000. I don't think so! Anyhow, I will plow on ahead by myself and see where I get.

    Thanks for the offer of help, Jackie--I know there will be something once we really get going that I can recruit you for. And you sure do have talent--I think it's so cool you do the afghan project. I once tried to crochet a charity afghan, and ended up with something that resembled a tree skirt. 

  • DGHoff
    DGHoff Member Posts: 624
    edited October 2008

    And I thought I had chemo brain last year. Here's my "doh" moment for the day. I thought my Herceptin treatment was today. Showed up at the clinic and everything, only to discover that it is actually tomorrow. Oops!   I guess I was a bit overeager since this will be my LAST one! Did any of you watch the movie "Living Proof" on Lifetime about the Dr. who helped get Herceptin approved? DH declared it "extraordinarily cheesy,yet totally compelling". It was even a little hard to watch in a few places as it brought me back to less happy times. Pretty amazing that, just a few years ago, nobody was getting this drug and HER2 cancers had a very bleak outlook. Now, they are considered quite treatable. I know I'm grateful that I've been able to benefit from it, but I will still be glad to be done!

    I also scheduled my nipple reconstruction surgery for next week. So I will have matching headlights soon! 

    Nash, sounds like you've got your work cut out for you, but let us know what, if anything, we can do to help.

    I laughed so hard at the smoothie recipe comment, Jackie! 

    DeAnn

  • nash
    nash Member Posts: 2,600
    edited October 2008

    DeAnn, that's hilarious--bet the nurses were surprised! Congrats on finishing--that's so cool. I didn't watch "Living Proof" b/c I wasn't sure I could handle it right now, but I understand it was well done and very moving. Thank God for Herceptin being approved for Stages 1, 2 and 3 now--when my mom was first diagnosed at IIIB, she couldn't get it b/c she wasn't Stage IV. I really think it would have helped her to have it earlier on in her treatment. Anyhow...

    Hope everyone has a good weekend.  

  • lilith
    lilith Member Posts: 543
    edited October 2008

    Nash, it is pretty sad that the drug was only approved for stage IV.... it is absurd, why treat only so late... I only can imagine that it is because still experimental, but still - I have to question it.

    Yes, I am glad too that I have been able to benefit (even if I was happy to note from my medical file - that I had to read upside down bcause here docs don't share that much - that I am weakly positive) and will be even happier to be done with the infusions next 24th of november. I am also slightly worried... does it mean that suddenly my cells can start proliferating again? I sure hope NOT.

    I am also seeing my doc to plan the ovariectomy, the nipples/fipples/headlights, maybe the removal of the port (yay)... and I also want to ask for a liposuction on my tummy. I am tired of carrying around an extra tire while otherwise skinny, and I really hope the docs will accept...

    Kaye: of course a bag of M&M is better than sending a 1$ contribution!!! :) pink m&m are so cute!!!!

    I have a job interview on Tuesday, they contacted me. I don't have a JD yet, but as I'll meet the key manager I guess it must be relevant or they wouldn't waste his time. Crossing finger it is interesting and cool, I would love, love, love to make a good move.

    Nash, that sounds like a lot of money for an appearance. I understand travel expenses... but this is a bit excessive. Maybe you could look into a lower budget? Also, contacting airlines, and/or see if you can get cheap flights on mileage - maybe a mileage drive in the neighbourhood? and maybe, a local hotel or motel would donate 3 rooms for a couple of nights? or a chain? there too, if you know business travellers, you may be able to collect enough starwood or marriott points to get free rooms. I don't have any right now, but I'll ask my ex if he would be agreeable in donating his miles (he has a ton and a half...). Anyhow. Later on I'll do a bit of flight pricing, jetblue isn't that expensive - I expect 1500 US would cover 3 return flights from NY (I flew fron NY to CA for about 450/ticket last summer). You just might have to be creative with the airports... smaller airports are cheaper, but you could pick them up yourself (or delegate your husband, or a friend with a minivan!).

    Hugs to all...

  • nash
    nash Member Posts: 2,600
    edited October 2008

    Hi, Lilith--thanks for the great ideas and the offer of the miles donation. Still not sure what I'm going to do with the producer fellow. His appearance fee was actually $1500, and the additional $10,000 was for show production, then more for the travel, etc. I thought the appearance for of $1500 was outrageously high since the other bc show (in which he skates) pays a stipend of $500, and in his show, the skaters all donated their time. So, we'll see. I'm waiting to hear back from the skating club, so I can meet with them in a couple of weeks at their next meeting.

    Good luck with the job interview!

    As far as what the cells do when the treatment is done--I think the hope is that they all got wiped out with the chemo/Herceptin. But that certainly is something that weighs heavily on all our minds, I think. I read on another post where someone asked her doc if the Tamoxifen just keeps things at bay and once you go off of it, things start to chug along again, and the doc didn't really give an answer. I think the problem is that there's no way to know which patients have stray cells floating around and which don't. And cells can set up camp somewhere and go dormant, and then either start up again or not. Some people's immune systems can kill the stray cells, some can't. So I think there's nothing the docs can do but treat active disease, and there's no way to accurately predict who will recur and who won't.

  • katoMato
    katoMato Member Posts: 645
    edited October 2008

    "Some people's immune systems can kill the stray cells, some can't. So I think there's nothing the docs can do but treat active disease, and there's no way to accurately predict who will recur and who won't."

    Antioxidant-laden Smoothie, anyone?

    It's one of the few things I can actually DO aggressively in that regard, so I drink up. Laughing

    My MRI went well, but she won't have the results until early next week. She's wonderful. Takes me very seriously. "Now show me again what you're feeling...." here. "Well, Kaye, that's just normal breast tissue." ok, what about this, here? "Yep, that's just normal breast tissue also." Here? "Yes, that's just normal bre....Hey. Have you ever felt a flank steak? It's like normal breast tissue. It's not like bologna...it's like flank steak with little things running through it."

    But i WANT bologna-boobs.

    So have a good weekend already.

  • DGHoff
    DGHoff Member Posts: 624
    edited October 2008

    I'll join you in that smoothie, Kaye! Now that I'm done with Herceptin, its pretty much all I can do along with exercise and eating lots of greens.

     In honor of me being all DONE with active cancer treatment (except of course Tamoxifen), I decided to be bold and I colored by hair chestnut red/brown!! Wow, do I look different! I'll try to get pictures up soon. 

    DeAnn

  • katoMato
    katoMato Member Posts: 645
    edited October 2008

    Oh great. Now I'm going to be inspired to exercise again. (The smoothie-inspiration worked so well....) Well I guess it's inevitable. What's gotta be, has gotta be. DH has been telling me he wants me to because it's one more thing I can actually DO...so ok. Maybe I"ll try to walk tomorrow.

    D- you go, you little chestnut-red-brown-hair-girl! I bet it looks GREAT. You probably still look like an elf, because I'm pretty sure elves have chestnut-red-brown hair. 

    I on the other hand finally got all the curls cut off. Sad as it was to see them go, and fun as they were, my hair is really mine now. Although I've never tried to blow-dry a sheep, I imagine what I was going through was pretty similar to that. So, from the gnome, to the hedgehog, to the sheep and now human again! Ahhhh. Life is good.

    Have a good night, ladies!

  • katoMato
    katoMato Member Posts: 645
    edited October 2008

    Ok Ladies... I walked. I figure the Smoothie-Inspiration lost me 9 pounds, so maybe the exercise-inspiration will lose me another 9. (or at least the "one" to make it an even 10.)

    For the record? Drinking smoothies is Way More Fun than walking.

    just thought you ought to know.

  • DGHoff
    DGHoff Member Posts: 624
    edited October 2008
    Let's see if this works!

    Photobucket

  • DGHoff
    DGHoff Member Posts: 624
    edited October 2008

    Ok. I'm a little challenged getting this photo up, so try this link.

    http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq114/deannhoff/deanndark.jpg

    DeAnn

  • lilith
    lilith Member Posts: 543
    edited October 2008

    OHHH, DeAnn, very nice color... actually fairly similar to mine ;))) and I love how your hair is straight... mine is still in the curly conditions - I keep hoping that sheer weight will force it closer to my head, but !!! I am still in the Bozo the clown situation.

    Kaye: good for you. Wish I had that guts, but after having long hair all my life, I can't bring myself to a hairdresser... hmph.

  • nash
    nash Member Posts: 2,600
    edited October 2008

    DeAnn--you look great!

    Kaye--I know what you mean about being happy to be back to the way you were prechemo (with the hair). My hair came in exactly the same as it went out (brown and uber-curly), but I can't tell you how many people said to me while I was bald, "Oh, maybe it will come back in blonde and straight!" I didn't want it blonde and straight for the simple reason that's not how I've looked all my life. And I was also really happy last month when my period reappeared. Not because I'm very fond of menstrating, but because my body was back to how it was before it got chemo-ed. BTW, every doc I saw told me I was in permanent menopause, which is another good example of how they tend to blather nonsense a good portion of the time.

  • katoMato
    katoMato Member Posts: 645
    edited October 2008

    DeAnn - that color is GREAT!!! You look absolutely adorable!

    and Nash, You? Blonde and Straight? HUH!?! I can't even IMAGINE  you with blonde straight hair.  It would be like one of those plastic toys girls have - like paper dolls? You can switch their outfits, and their hair and shoes...and I'd be like: This one? NAH. Not blond OR straight!!This one's gotta Rock the Curls! (I am SO jealous. I LOVED my curls when i had them.)

    Hey Lilith, did you ever try out the Microlactin? How are the aches coming along?

    Ok. gotta go. A friend is teaching me how to make a baby quilt for my little baby niece which is really just a test-drive-quilt so I can know how to make one for my daughter.

    latah gatahs!

  • lilith
    lilith Member Posts: 543
    edited October 2008

    Kaye: I am still in the process to try to secure some (micro-lactin, that is...). I mail ordered some from France, but either the company was cheating or it is a very LONG delivery... I have to re-contact them. Shoot. Otherwise, I'll try ebay (it is suprising what one can get off e-bay, and it is easier than convince a US company to ship oversea...)

    Ok I am off. In 2 hours I have a job interview, I have to clean up a bit and :)) decurl my hair, so that I stop looking like bozo the clown - that wouldn't cut it.

  • katoMato
    katoMato Member Posts: 645
    edited October 2008

     Lilith, DH thought this might help you...and the quote below is from him as well. Hope it works!

    http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-MicroLactin

    These guys state on their web site that they ship internationally. This page has the info, plus a phone number she can call. If she can't get 'em to ship, we could order it and ship to her, but it would prolly be kinda pricey that way...she would have to pay 2 shipping charges.

  • katoMato
    katoMato Member Posts: 645
    edited October 2008

    How'd the interview go? What did you think of them? Are they located near you, or would taking the job involve a move?

  • lilith
    lilith Member Posts: 543
    edited October 2008

    Kaye... :) thank you - for the info about the micro-lactin, and for remembering about my interview.

    It went well. It is a top company here around where I live (very very big), and it would be a good job - unless there is something I don't know about internal politics. I am trying to get some of the inside dirt... :) The guy I spoke with would be eventually my direct supervisor, and he was very positive. I have to get back at them to say if I am interested this week, and he says then he wants me to meet some more folks (I thought it was a weird way around).

    I wouldn't have to move at all, it is about 10 miles away. great company, and just the job I would want - so I am a bit puzzled... sounds too good to be true. You know?

     and I am trying to figure out a way not to "lead on" my current manager, but not to tip her off either (if you see what I mean....). Oh well.

    I need to find the time to dig throught my credit card charges, and check if the micro-lactin order went through. I can also ask my ex to chase it down for me... he is in the US... :)thank you for the order, and a hug to your hubby - hope you don't mind... ;)

    hugs, hugs and hugs.

  • nash
    nash Member Posts: 2,600
    edited October 2008

    Lilith, glad the interview went so well. Have you made a decision whether to pursue the position?

    Am in the middle of an uphill battle with the skating club board. Won't go into details here, but let's just say it's unnecessarily complicated. Everyone think happy, cooperative thoughts.

    I saw my onc for a four month checkup today. Two questions--one, she doesn't physically examine me at all. Does this sound strange? She asked if the surgeon had done a breast exam when I saw her in the summer and I said yes, so she said she wouldn't do one then. She also doesn't listen to my heart or lungs or anything. Hardly getting my money's worth. She did order a bone scan for some rib pain that I'm having, and will order my annual MRI. But then I have a unilateral mammo ordered by the rad onc for January that she wants me to skip since I'll be having the MRI in January, yet the rad onc wants the mammo done for my followup with her in February. Argh.

    And on the topic of imaging, my second question is what do you guys think about adding infrared thermograms to the mix? I'd have to pay out of pocket for one, but sometimes they can pick up tumors before they really start to form. Do you think they're overkill with the MRI? Here's some info on it, which has to be taken with a grain of  salt  since it is written by a place that performs the test:

    http://www.iact-org.org/patients/breastthermography/what-is-breast-therm.html

    But I figure it might be worth it? I don't know. Onc said it was up to me. 

    And boy, it sure was hard to go to the cancer center without my mom. I got so used to going every week with her for so many years, that walking in there is like getting sucker punched in the stomach. 

  • katoMato
    katoMato Member Posts: 645
    edited October 2008

    Hi Nash -

    I looked up the site, and then did some looking on my own. It looks interesting. Oddly, there isn't a lot of info out there - odd because it's been around for about 30 years (one site said.). Mostly stuff by people who perform the test, but I did find that it's becoming the hot (pun intended) thing now, so everyone is jumping on the bandwagon to administer the test, resulting in many people to administer the test, but few qualified and well-trained ones. So if you choose to do it, make sure they're the right ones. There was one in Los Angeles -hopefully they will be one of the few that are qualified.

    Your onc STILL scares me. YES my onc does a physical exam EVERY TIME i see her (every 3 months) YES she still listens to my heart and lungs and feels around for any strange thing in my breasts.  EVERY TIME. (I can't speak to the rad onc issue, because i haven't seen mine since my last rad tx, but that's a different story.)

    On that note, my MRI result came back (and i quote) "Perfectly Normal. Now go and have a Happy Thanksgiving!" I love that woman. Just for fun, here's an interview she did for the City of Hope newsletter.

    http://www.cityofhope.org/about/publications/eHope/2008-vol-7-num-10-october-30/Pages/for-breast-cancer-researchers-the-fight-goes-on.aspx

    Oh...and be sure to take away a hug from us tonight. The sucker punch is such a drag. I'm so sorry you have to feel it. I'm with you, Nashie.....It's normal, but it still stinks.

  • katoMato
    katoMato Member Posts: 645
    edited October 2008

    great. more "smoothie recipe".

    sorry guys, I can't control it.

  • nash
    nash Member Posts: 2,600
    edited October 2008

    Thanks, Kaye. Congrats on the good MRI report--I'm so happy to hear that! I will check out the article, too.

  • DGHoff
    DGHoff Member Posts: 624
    edited November 2008

    Kaye, I'm so glad to hear that the MRI report was a good one! I also wanted to let you know that I appreciate you sharing the Micro-Lactin tip. I met a woman a couple of weeks ago who was having joint pain issues from the Arimidex, and I suggested it to her. She said it really did the trick!

    Nash - I'm sending a hug your way as well. 

    I had my nipple reconstuction surgery on Wednesday. It is amazing how such a little thing can have such a large psychological impact. I guess it speaks to what you mentioned in an earlier post, Nash, about how you just wanted to look like you did before.  This was one step to getting me to look a  little closer to how I did before.  I'm really pleased with how it turned out.  Now I just have to wait six weeks for it to heal and then I can go get my tattoo. 

    DeAnn

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