Insurance and proth/bras then recon?

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I have BC/BSM and am wondering about whether or not an insurance company that pays for prothesis and bras one year and can refuse to pay for recon the next?  I mean..I know they have to pay for it down the road if you didn't do it immediately, but what if you go with the bras/proths and then later decide you DO want recon?  Can they deny you?

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  • yorkster
    yorkster Member Posts: 20
    edited October 2008

    I don't think they would deny you. My insurance paid for a prosthesis, bra and 2 mastectomy cam's and I'm trying to decide on breast reconstruction.

    For the women that have delayed breast reconstruction would still need a prosthesis and bra if they wanted one.

    That's just my opinion. It will be interesting to hear from the other ladies if they had a problem with their insurance company.

  • kalyla
    kalyla Member Posts: 258
    edited October 2008

    My insurance covers a certain amount of $$ for durable goods each year and does not care how you spend it, as long as it's purchased from an "in network" medical supply store. You should check about your specific benefits.

  • wishiwere
    wishiwere Member Posts: 3,793
    edited October 2008

    Geesh...is this a durable good? Prothesis, or what? I hate dealing with all this. Which is WHY I put it off till a year later.  Still I'm not wanting to deal with it, but afraid if I don't, I'll regret it if they deny recon b/c of paying for bras/proths.

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited October 2008

    Wish, the prosthesis and mast bras are "durable goods" (durable medical equipment), and are usually covered under the Major Medical part of an insurance policy.  They're considered "durable" because they last and are not disposable, like gauze bandages.  That's important.  Apparently, some insurance companies and Medicare are really picky about the distinction.

    No, recon is not a "durable good."  Well, okay, it is; but it's a surgical procedure.  I don't know what my very good BC/BS plan does about delayed recon--I never asked.  I just got my first prosthesis and 2 mast bras.  My plan covers one prosthesis and 4 bras per year; more may be covered if documented as medically necessary. 

    Could you call your insurance company and ask them?  Really, the price difference is so huge:  ~ $300 for a prosthesis + ~ $40 per bra, versus $100,000 (+/-) for recon.  I can't see why they would quibble about having paid for a fake plastic boob and then covering the cost of a reconstructed one a year or two (or more) later.  YMMV, though.

    otter 

  • wishiwere
    wishiwere Member Posts: 3,793
    edited October 2008

    YMMV?  HUH? :D  I'm lost!

    That's what I wondered, but the insurance agent said I needed the code #. I have them for the bra/proths, but not the recon of course, so how would I get those?  This is so nutty.  I should have done this last year and wouldn't be doing it now.  I'm sooooooooooo ready to be done with this last year already!

  • otter
    otter Member Posts: 6,099
    edited October 2008

    YMMV = your mileage may vary (i.e., your situation might be different from mine).

    YOU NEED TO GIVE THE INSURANCE COMPANY THE CODE FOR RECON so they can look it up???  Good grief.  Tell them to do their job.  Okay, I guess normally they would not have to know the code, because it's given to them by the "provider" (surgeon, pharmacist, DME ( = durable medical equipment) supplier, etc.), when the claim is filed.

    Um, I just realized--maybe a breast implant is considered "durable medical equipment"?

    There is an insurance code for each procedure and for some of the materials needed.  You can sometimes "google" the procedure to find the code.  For example, you might try "breast implant" x "insurance" x "code", or "breast" x "TRAM" x "code".

    I keep getting different numbers for the same thing, though.  How about asking your surgeon's billing office what code they would use?  That's what I had to do to find out the codes for my LE sleeve and gauntlet.  My insurance company couldn't tell me what my allowance was for LE compression garments unless I could give them the code.

    <sigh>

    otter 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2008

    I can tell you about me. I had a RTRAM/Immediate recon and then had to wait for the "revision" due to some other surgeries needed and some nerve damage. In the meantime my insurance covered the special bras and silicone boob. When I went back for the recon, I decided I couldn't go through with it because of the pain I still had (nerve damage), so I asked the PS if he could do an implant on the good side to match the recon. My insurance covered that. My PS said insurance should cover my recon revision when I am finally ready and remove the implant from the good side and match the girls up again. Maybe there is a yearly limit, but I'm not sure...

  • wishiwere
    wishiwere Member Posts: 3,793
    edited October 2008

    Thanks, I really need to make the call to the insurance company, my agent was no help.  Said I needed the procedural codes?  HOW would I know that, when I don't even know IF or WHAT type of recon I'd want?  Hate ins crap.

    Thank you for sharing all your infos, it does make sense.  I couldn't understand either when getting a proth, that the ins would pay for partial for the good one to match them up, b/c I'm inbetween most of the sizes and nothing matched up with the old one.  Seems if they pay for surgery on the new one, why wouldn't they pay for partial on it, if you didn't get surgery?

  • wishiwere
    wishiwere Member Posts: 3,793
    edited October 2008

    Okay, so I tried to do the google and came up with as many CPT codes (is that what I want) as I did sites I searched.  This is so freaking nutty!  I think today I'm going to utilize the Breast Care Advocate who is supposed to be there for you during this war and ask to find the codes. Even though her hospital doesn't do the diep, I know the day of my pre-op, there was lady friend of hers that stopped by and flashed me her new tram flaps in the closet!  So, I know they do them somewhere she knows about.  It's just stupid I HAVE to do this, you know? I HATE CANCER!

  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited October 2008

    Wish, When I had my first lumpectomy in 2005, I was lopsided and my doctor gave me a script for mast products. I too called the insurance (BCBS) to find out how many bras I qualified for and they asked for the cpt code. I didn't try to get the code but the woman who I went to for my fitting was familiar with most of the insurance companies and what they would cover. She was able to get me 6 bras and 2 prost. It was early in the year and I had not met my deductible yet so I had to pay 300 for all of it. If I had met my deductible she accepts what the insurance pays as full payment. 

    In 2007, I was dx with DCIS and opted for bilat mast, my insurance covered the full cost of the recon, with a few appeals for the use of alloderm. I checked with my fitter and she has a 'form closet' for returned forms that she gives to uninsured women, so I am going to donate my prost to give to the uninsured women. (I am wearing them this year and a blonde wig as part of my Dolly Parton costume for Halloween)

    Sheila

  • wishiwere
    wishiwere Member Posts: 3,793
    edited October 2008

    Wow, that's more than I expected from BC/BS.  Maybe michigan is different, but the fitter thought it was 2 bras and one proths. Maybe it's the bra that is good for 6 months? 

    I just don't understand how someone going through is supposed to do all the research for the insurance company so a person KNOWS going in, what is covered.  They should HAVE to detail some of this in your online or booklet as to what's covered and not.  It's nutty!

    Thanks for you help though.  Does make me feel better about calling.

  • lvtwoqlt
    lvtwoqlt Member Posts: 6,162
    edited October 2008

    My first claim for prost was with BCBSMI, we were under the umbrella from the corp office in Monroe MI, but in 2006 the insurance changed to local BCBS so now I am under NC. A lot of what they will or won't cover does have to do with your particular policy. We are self insured but administered by BCBS. As I said, the woman who does my support group fittings has been doing this for 20+ years and knows what the different companies will pay for and if she files it under different codes, she can actually get a couple of extra bras a year. I let her do the filing or I would know the codes.

    Sheila

  • wishiwere
    wishiwere Member Posts: 3,793
    edited October 2008

    Geepers.  Wish mine knew how to deal with them like that.  I'll have to figure this all out today I suppose.  Hate calling insurance and hospital about any of this stuff.  It should be sent to you with all your info when you get the mast, you know?  You're eligible for:  BUT nooooooo!  You have to beg, plead and cry to get anywhere!

    Thanks so much for all your thoughts and info! :D

  • econmom
    econmom Member Posts: 73
    edited October 2008

    Under federal law and NYS law, insurance companies must pay for a successful reconstruction, and it does not need to be immediate.   WHAT they pay can be an issue to the plastic surgeon.  But the reconstruction must be complete and sucessful, so if implants fail, the insurance must go on and pay for tissue reconstruction, or once the reconstructed breast is done, the insurance must pay for adjustments to the other natural breast to achieve symmetry.

    Here is a link:

    http://www.plasticsurgery.org/patients_consumers/links_resources/Breast-Reconstruction-Resources-1998-Federal-Law.cfm 

  • wishiwere
    wishiwere Member Posts: 3,793
    edited October 2008

    So, why don't they pay to match up the good breast when you are getting prosthetics?  That's what I don't understand.  If I could symmetry, I might not care to do recon, you know? Would save them money in the long run, I would think.

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