DCIS with Micropapillary Features

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mom2two
mom2two Member Posts: 1,352

Just wondering if anyone has had this type of Dcis and if it had remained insitu after final lumpectomy/mastectomy findings. Also if you could share any research info on this type of DCIS it would be appreciated.

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  • louishenry
    louishenry Member Posts: 417
    edited October 2008

    Hi. I had 2mm of cribriform, micropappilary DCIS that was found in a 4mm calcs sample. It was completely removed in biopsy, so the lumpectomy sample was clean.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited October 2008

    Micropapillary describes the shape and size of the DCIS cells.  On it's own (i.e. when not found together with comedo type DCIS) it's a low grade or moderate grade DCIS which tends to grow very slowly.  As a non-comedo type of DCIS, it is considered less aggressive than comedo-type DCIS and less likely to be associated with a microinvasion.   Here are 3 sources of information about this:

    http://www.dcis.info/biopsy-examination.html    Micropapillary and papillary. These two types have fern-like projections of cells into the center of the duct. The micropapillary type projections are smaller than the papillary type. 

    http://www.breastcancer.org/symptoms/dcis/type_grade.jsp   Papillary: The cells grow in fingerlike projections, toward the inside of the duct.    A Cancer cells       B Basement membrane      C Lumen (center of duct)

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    http://www.imaginis.com/breasthealth/dcis.asp   Types of Ductal Carcinoma in Situ

    The term, ductal carcinoma in situ (DCIS), refers to a family of cancers that occur in the breast ducts.  There are two categories of DCIS: non-comedo and comedo.  The term, comedo, describes the appearance of the cancer.  When comedo type breast tumors are cut, the dead cells inside of them (necrosis) can be expressed out just like a comedo or blackhead on the skin.

    The most common non-comedo types of DCIS are:

    • Solid DCIS: cancer cells completely fill the affected breast ducts.
    • Cribiform DCIS: cancer cells do not completely fill the affected breast ducts; there are gaps between the cells.
    • Papillary and micropapillary DCIS: the cancer cells arrange themselves in a fern-like pattern within the affected breast ducts; micropapillary DCIS cells are smaller than papillary DCIS cells.

    Comedo type DCIS (also referred to as Comedocarcinoma) tends to be more aggressive than the non-comedo types of DCIS.  Pathologists are able to easily distinguish between comedo type DCIS and other non-comedo types when examining the cells under a microscope because comedo type DCIS tends to plug the center of the breast ducts with necrosis (dead cells).  When necrosis is associated with cancer, it often means that the cancer is able to grow quickly.  Necrosis is often seen with microcalcifications (tiny calcium deposits that can indicate cancer).

  • mom2two
    mom2two Member Posts: 1,352
    edited October 2008

    Thanks Lou and Beesie, I thought I was told by someone that micropapillary dcis was less agressive  and grew slowly too but then today I saw an article from Standford that said Micropapillary dcis was probably an early stage invasive micropapillary cancer and that it tended to be very aggressive. Something like 40% dead within 3 years of diagnosis( for invasive not the dcis). So my question is, is dcis with micropapillary features the same as micropapillary cancer? Also does dcis grow and grow until it burst through the basement walls of a cell or does it undergo a chemical change that makes it invasive somehow and thats how it gets out.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2008

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WWK-4SF9G9J-6&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=717f720abdb8fbf73eb0c6622e7e607d

    Mom2

    Here is a new study that shows how DCIS can progress to invasive.There is a lot of research going on with early BC and Canada is heading up one of the largest ever by Dr Rackovitch from Sunnybrook.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited October 2008

    Do you have the article that you read from Stanford?  The only thing that I can find from Stanford about this says that while micropapillary invasive cancer may be found along with DCIS, it can be any type of DCIS - there is no direct relationship to micropapillary DCIS.  And the description of micropapillary invasive cancer sounds completely different from the description of micropapillary DCIS - the invasive cancer is high grade, very aggressive and usually associated with nodal invasion.  It seems that the only thing they have in common is the shape.  It is also quite rare, whereas micropapillary DCIS is quite common.

    http://surgpathcriteria.stanford.edu/breast/micropapcabr/printable.html

  • louishenry
    louishenry Member Posts: 417
    edited October 2008

    Beesie may correct me if I am wrong,but I read that DCIS does NOT fill up and eventually burst. That would suggest that it is just a matter of time that it becomes invasive. Not true. The cells have to undergo a change in order to become invasive. That is why some DCIS can change, and other types do not. They are making progress in making that determination. Years ago every woman had mastectomies, then every woman had rads regardless of the type and amount. Now major breast centers are questioning rads for every case. I answered your pm, but I wanted to add to Beesie's info. Yes, micro-pappilary DCIS is not generally aggressive. My cell types  and  small amount of DCIS were what led me to not having rads. I'm sure it would have been a different story if they thought the micro cells were nasty. Hope that helps, Nada

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited October 2008

    Nada, I believe you are right.  One of the features of DCIS is that it's more likely to be spread out than IDC.  The reason for this is that as DCIS cancer cells grow uncontrollably (as all cancer cells do), because they are confined to the milk duct, they only place they have to go is further along within the ductal system.   Because of this, it's quite common to find large areas of DCIS throughout the breast, whereas IDC tumors tend to be confined to one place (although that single lump or mass will continue to increase in size as the cancer cells multiply).  This would suggest that DCIS cells don't stay in one duct, fill it up and then burst through.  As they grow, they take over more of the ductal system.  This tendancy to spread out is also the reason why good margins are actually more important for DCIS than for IDC, for those who have a lumpectomy. 

    As you said, what makes DCIS become invasive is the subject of study.  What is known is that someone can have 6cm of DCIS throughout their breast and not have a microinvasion and someone else can have a single 1cm area of DCIS along with a microinvasion.  Certainly, the more DCIS one has and the higher the grade, the more likely it is that a microinvasion will be found.  But even small amounts of DCIS sometimes become invasive.  So there are no hard and fast rules on this.  But microinvasion does not appear to the result of a duct simply becoming too full of DCIS cancer cells.

  • merlaine
    merlaine Member Posts: 3
    edited January 2011

    This is my first post... I was diagnosed 12/30/10 with DCIS grade 3 after a sterotactic biopsy.  I also had an MRI which showed I had multifocal too much DCIS for local excisions as my surgeon felt he would be chasing margins.  I am going to be scheduled tomorrow.  I don't know what the surg date is yet as I am having bilateral mastectomy sentinal nodes on right side.  I am so worried it will be invasive somewhere.  I find myself so emotional and have been on the verge of tears all day today.  I have noticed an itchy rash on my left breast.  It's so hard not to worry about the surgery but everytime I have had something done it seems it's worse than I thought.  I had a normal mammogram last year so this is very concerning as it seems it came on sooooo fast!  Just needed to vent, I love this site, it is so going to help me!

  • Allenan
    Allenan Member Posts: 111
    edited June 2011

    Hello,

    I just joined the stage 1 discussion group and am here inspecting my path report which I just got on Friday.

    I noticed something in the description and wanted to run it by you ladies for some interpretation and education.  I am fairly new and trying to gather as much info as I can while I await my Oncotype score.

    Here is the DX of concern:

    It reads:

     - IDC carcinoma, moderately diff, measuring 1.6 cm in largest dimention grossly and microspically,

    - DCIS solid, cribiform and micropapillary types with intermediate nuclear grade and minimal necrosis.  The DCIS is seen with the invasive carcinoma and away from it.  The latter forms a tumor mass separate from the invasive component.

    Can anyone relay this in lay terms.  I just want to reassure myself as I am having re-excision done this Wednesday for the left inferior margin was too close to the inked site.

    The two terms that are causing me concern are necrosis and micropapillary. 

    Thank you ladies in advance.  Hope to hear from someone soon and hoping I can make some contributions to this site for similar ladies with my dx. (ER+, PR-, HER2neu-) 0/9 nodes.

    I tried putting my dx in my signature.  Hope it works. 

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