Still have the fatigue after 2 years.

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  • nobleanna007
    nobleanna007 Member Posts: 641
    edited September 2008

      I am still in treatment but I feel because we don't have a cast or something our family just thinks we should be able to do all the stuff we normally do. NOT!!! I have 18 more RADS and Herceptin until may. They have a long way to go!!! I really think their should be a class where family members who are close to you and are your caregivers to teach them that what we go thru and how long these side effects can last in our bodies. Just because we are through with treatments does not mean we still are not feeling the effects. I have a very good nurse practioner at my onc. And she has stated I will at the very least be battling some side effects for at least a year. I love her much perfer to see her than onc. And I agree the Hypothroidism is a key factor. I have been battling mine for 6yrs, and it goes up and down which they have to adjust your meds. Unfournatley we have to ask for it. I had a miscarriage and after wards asked them to check my thyroid do to that and the se of thyroid disease. Sure enough I was a high 18.  Since my diagnoises of cancer this is the weird part it has not gone up and down like it has. But I know it is not right when my hair thins or I am really tired even though I have had a good sleep. I wish you all luck and hopefully this fog will lift!!!

                                                                       Bridget

  • Mary-Lou
    Mary-Lou Member Posts: 2,230
    edited September 2008
    I really thank each of you for some great feed back.
  • Shirlann
    Shirlann Member Posts: 3,302
    edited September 2008

    Hi sisters, I have been around so long, I have moss on my computer forearms!  But I have a couple of suggestions that maybe you have not thought of, no magical cures, but a couple of ideas.

    People have found, by accident, that the Anti-Depressive, Effexor, helps some women a lot with menopausal symptoms.  So this might be worth a try.

    I take vitamins:  Believe me, no magic bullet here, but remember, your immune system, your mental health and your poor body have taken a huge hit.  And it might need some help getting back to more normal.

    I take, have taken for many, many years:  1000mg of C, a very good B Complex, Co-Enzyme 10, 1000units of D, folic Acid, Fish oil, and a bunch of stuff that may or not have any use.  Green Tea capsules, Cranberry capsules, Grapeseed capsules, a multiple for the trace elements (they do not contain enough of the C, B or D to do any good.

    So, I have a little box, for me and my husband and I fill it once a week and just chug these down.  I have never had fatigue (but, of course, who knows why?) and I hardly ever get colds, any opportunistic little infections.

    So while this is surely not a cure, it can't hurt and might help.  At least you feel that you are doing something to get back to normal.

    Gentle hugs, Shirlann

    PS:  Don't ask your doc, unless you want to get slammed!!!!!

     

  • Maire67
    Maire67 Member Posts: 768
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  • Mary-Lou
    Mary-Lou Member Posts: 2,230
    edited September 2008

    Do any of you have Neuropathy? I seem to think there is a big connection somehow. Just can't put my finger on it.

  • Mary-Lou
    Mary-Lou Member Posts: 2,230
    edited September 2008

    Marie, no you are not nuts......

  • Brenda_R
    Brenda_R Member Posts: 509
    edited September 2008

    I had neuropathy and still have some days when the fatigue seems to come out of nowhere, and I can hardly do anything.

  • RIV54
    RIV54 Member Posts: 359
    edited September 2008

    I have neuropathy on the bottom of my feet. Doc recommended B6. His CRNP had BC and developed neuropathy from chemo and said that it took several years for it to go away.

    Marie, your post could be in my biography. I went to a seminar on fatique at the cancer center where I was treated and their recommendations are proper diet, exercise and rest. Well, yeah! But that hasn't worked for me yet.

  • Harley44
    Harley44 Member Posts: 5,446
    edited September 2008

    It has been almost a year since I finished chemo, and I am still battling fatigue.  I felt the fatigue during my last 2 txs, and I was still very tired for about 3 weeks post chemo.  I did start to feel better for awhile, but in May I started a little p/t job, and  8/13, I had a D & C for uterine polyps, caused by Tamoxifen.  I have been taking Tamoxifen since last Nov.  Anyway, I just saw my pcp dr. and told him that for the past week, especially, I have been feeling so very tired!  He ran some bloodwork, and gave me a B-12 shot. 

    The jury is still out, but I DO seem to feel a little bit better.  I know someone, a former co-worker, who told me that she used to get B-12 shots, and they worked magic for her!  She said that she would go in to the dr. office feeling very tired, and she was also very moody, and within a half hour, she was feeling so much better!  I am not sure, but maybe due to the Tamoxifen, I am still not sleeping too well, and I wonder if that isn't part of my problem with fatigue. 

    Anyway, I am going to try to add some more supplements to my vitamin regimen, to see if that helps any.  The only problem with that is I do not always take the vitamins every day... I know, very stupid of me.

    Hope you all are feeling better soon.  I also exercise when I have time, but with this p/t job, it's hard to try to fit it in. 

    Edited to add: 

    Nicki,

    a thyroid disorder isn't always so easily treated.  I have been taking Levotyroxine for the past 10 years, and I still have problems with fatigue alot...  My drs. think it is just a matter of taking a pill every day, and you are all better, but it isn't.  I think it may be that for me, at least, I have Hashimotos thyroiditis, which is an auto immune disorder, and my body thinks that my thyroid is a foreign invader, so it is always trying to fight it.  That is just my two cents worth...


    Harley 

  • Mary-Lou
    Mary-Lou Member Posts: 2,230
    edited September 2008

    Feeling really tired today. I missed a beautiful day, just

     couldn't get it together.

  • LouiseIndigo
    LouiseIndigo Member Posts: 70
    edited September 2008

    Hi all

    Marylou, my diagnosis in May 2007 was very similar to your own. I finished treatment in March of this year and along with the dreaded hand and foot neuropathy, there are so many times when i could just crawl under a rock i get so exhausted. What i do find however (this on the advice of a nutritionist) is that when i stay off sugar (difficult i know!) and eat a high protein diet my energy levels are so very much better. It means ensuring i eat protein with every meal, which seems to balance my blood sugar. for what it's worth ....... Louise

  • erika-canada
    erika-canada Member Posts: 142
    edited September 2008

    Hi:

    I had my last Rad treatment 1 year ago.  I am extremely tired to the point of exhaustion almost daily.

    My sister had BC  5 years ago, is always tired -- was so full of energy before. Physically, sorry to say this, but really believe most of us will never be the same. I also went on an anti-depressant which I thought it helped in the beginning. Sorry, this is such a "downer"; but we should be able to be true to our feelings---on this site.  Yell

    On the other hand, thank God we're still around to complain ---aren't we truly blessed?

    Have a great day---live life as happy as we can!!

    Many Hugs,

    Erika

  • Mary-Lou
    Mary-Lou Member Posts: 2,230
    edited September 2008

    Thanks so much, the feedback has been so helpful for many of us. I do believe what ever I do, I will always have this tired feeling come over me for the rest of my life.

    Unless there is a miracle someday soon.

  • QueenSansaStark
    QueenSansaStark Member Posts: 207
    edited September 2008

    Harley, the Tamox gives me gawdawful hot flashes too - while it means it's working, it is HELL on my sleeping patterns. This doesn't help my energy level. I think a lot of us ER+ gals on Tamox or one of the AIs get disrupted sleep because of the lack of estrogen.

    Valerian root (which smells just like toe jam) and a hot bath help me to relax and get to sleep.

    Also, I'm on Synthroid for my thyroid and it's worked a miracle. Not just on my energy level but on my cholesterol, insulin resistance and weight gain - I lost 10 lbs just from getting my thyroid hormones back! I really think all BC survivors, especially those who have undergone chemo, need a thyroid check. 

  • Mary-Lou
    Mary-Lou Member Posts: 2,230
    edited September 2008

    (which smells just like toe jam) OMG! not a pleasant thought.

    Sleep is something that is so off for me it isn't even funny.

    Seems I have hot flashes if I'm the least bit aggravated too.

  • footprintsangel
    footprintsangel Member Posts: 43,890
    edited September 2008

    Hi Marylou, I am still having side effects from the high chemo and I know I was told the all the side affects might not ever go away. Please take care, I was told to keep record of them so the Dr knows whats going on. I am also going threw the change too. Sending you alot of hugs, Debbie 

  • roxy42
    roxy42 Member Posts: 495
    edited September 2008

    Hi ladys I have the same thing.I'm 15 months out and tired all the time.I'm on arimidex and that might be causeing it.I have tried every vitimen energy booster drinks nothing has worked.I have insomnia and I have tried all kinds of sleep aids and nothing works.I have had my thyroid checked and that came back normal.So I know how you feel......godbless roxy

  • Mary-Lou
    Mary-Lou Member Posts: 2,230
    edited September 2008
  • EGAL
    EGAL Member Posts: 539
    edited September 2008
    I am almost two years since dx.  I am still VERY tired!  I had 8 rounds of chemo, 6 weeks of rads, 36 weekly transfusions of Herceptin and just had surgery 7 weeks ago to remove port and finish my reconstruction. I talked with Onco this week and he said that it could take up to one year or longer after treatments are finished to feel better.  He is very understanding, says that even though they know what the treatments do, they do not know it all.  I will continue to be tired and just hope for B9 scans.  Tiredness, I can deal withWink
  • Mary-Lou
    Mary-Lou Member Posts: 2,230
    edited September 2008

    Hey to all the tired bunch Cool

    I do feel very grateful today as I celebrate my third year cancerversary......

    And dancing with NED! Laughing

  • cherub21
    cherub21 Member Posts: 2
    edited September 2008

    Yep I still had the fatigue after 2yrs and had been having it investigated

    I was told I was more at risk of BC fatigue as I had Glandular Fever as a teenager

    was tested for sleep apnoea, thyriod, various blood tests etc nothing came up

    went to a clinic for fatigue after BC in australia and they taught me how

    to manage the SX  

    they are exercise

    gentle walking 30 min every day  pluss

    build up cardio exercise every 2nd day

    starting @ 7min and add a minute each week 

    wean yourself off your nana naps and have a regular bedtime

    dont try to do to much in one day spread it out over a week

    emotional and physical stress can trigger an episode  

    this had improve me greatly - it is important to remember 

    not to had big bursts of energy as you will get the resultant crash of fatigue

    best to keep at an even pace - I am getting so much better if I follow this pattern 

    plus my oncologist had me tested for vitiman D deficency

    and I had the levels of an old lady in a nursing home who never sees the sun

    I now get out and have my 20 minutes of sun time and have Vit D suppliments 

    I am now finding I have a better life and I am starting to have days of the old me!

    which is fantastic 

    love

    Cherub 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2008

    Cherub

    I believe there is alot of truth in what you are saying they taught you....

    I find that when I feel well I go-go and do all the things that I need or want but then suddenly I have that big crash and burn. I also noticed that the crash and burns seem to come at a time when I am actually relaxing, does that make sense? As long as Im up and running I feel fine but the moment I relax it hits me like a ton of bricks.

    Im going to try to adjust to a schedule like you did and see if it will help..Thank you

    Hugs

    Jule

  • Mary-Lou
    Mary-Lou Member Posts: 2,230
    edited September 2008
    Chrub~ Thanks for sharing
  • Mary-Lou
    Mary-Lou Member Posts: 2,230
    edited October 2008
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2008

    Well I had my monthly crash this weekend Cry....things have been really crazy this past month and I could feel it starting to happen so tried to rest more but this weekend was the grand fanale!!!!!!

    I woke yesterday morning with a headache and the bugger hung on all day....worked out side thinking I needed some excercise to combat the fatigue....got alot of yard work done so am happy about that but the constant headache was not nice....then about 3 yeaterday afternoon I got so tired I had to just sit on the ground...it was so severe that it felt like my legs were going to crumble beneath me.....I sat there for about 20 mintues before I could get the energy to get myself up right and into the house....slept the rest of the day and all night...I didnt wake until my alarm went off at 5:30 this morning...

    I felt pretty good for the first couple of hours of the day but now my headache is back....

    Mary-Lou-YES CANCER SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Hope all you ladies had a nice weekend.

    Hugs

    Jule

  • Mary-Lou
    Mary-Lou Member Posts: 2,230
    edited October 2008

    Jule ~ The same happened to me. I have been great for about 3 weeks, then out of the blue it hit.

    I had my grand children last week, so I'm glad it didn't happen while they were with me. I don't think I could have made it. The kids had to attend a funeral of one of their friends who was killed on a motorcycle. Just to much emotion for them to deal with and 2 babies too.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2008

    Mary-Lou

    Im a grandma too and Ive had those days when Ive had the kids that Im fine one minute then suddenly Im not sure I can make it......thankfully the kids are a little older now as well so that helps....my daughter very rarely asks me to watch the kids so I generally have to instigate a kids night with grandma myself so I try to schedule those right after I start feeling better from a big crash now...so far its worked well. But I will sure be glad when the days come that I wont crash like that...

    Im sorry to hear about your kids friend....its always sad to hear things like that...

    Hugs

    Jule

  • Mary-Lou
    Mary-Lou Member Posts: 2,230
    edited October 2008

    Jule, I have a 14 year old granddaughter and the two little ones. Sebastian is almost 2 and Hayden is almost 5 months. It can really be taxing at times with the younger ones. My husband helps out so much ....he knows how hard it is with two at a time.

  • 2angels
    2angels Member Posts: 29
    edited October 2008

    I am glad I found this thread. I have just made it to 5 years and I am still tired. I think this is a real long term side effect from treatment.

    I was treated for Hodgkins Disease in 1993. The radiation from that damaged my thyroid and I have been on synthroid ever since.  I was diagnosed and treated for breast cancer 10 years later and the side effects from the treatment this time have never fully gone away. I am always tired and feel drained. I just don't have the energy I used to. I know my husband thinks I am just lazy and use it as an excuse. I just know having poison pumped inside me has done something to my body. I feel like it is all in my head sometimes and then sometimes I know my body has taken a beating. The medical community needs to acknowledge this as a possible long term side effect. It is not our fault that our bodies no longer feel like they once did.

  • Mary-Lou
    Mary-Lou Member Posts: 2,230
    edited October 2008

    Well said Angel.....I agree.

    Great input to our tired thread.....

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