My - grrrrrrr - husband!

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hooptiedoo
hooptiedoo Member Posts: 100

Because I'm five years out of treatment, my husband thinks I should be "over" the whole cancer experience. I've been having severe problems at work because of "mistakes" I'm supposedly making and last night was venting. I mentioned that the last five years have been tough, starting with my breast cancer diagnosis, his disability, our bankruptcy over lost work and medical bills, and now a hostile work environment.

 He was supportive to a point, but said I've been making mistakes at home too. And then added, "Don't you think it's time to let go of that whole cancer thing?"

What is so shocking about this (and what I can't forgive) is that his own mother and sister DIED from breast cancer!!! I told him I'll always, ALWAYS, live with the possibility of a recurrence. Because my cancer was caught early, he refuses to accept that will happen and I don't think he even begins to understand how huge the whole experience was for me. I realize most people don't get it, but someone who was by my side through the whole thing? What is WRONG with him?

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  • hooptiedoo
    hooptiedoo Member Posts: 100
    edited September 2008

    I want to add that the mistakes I'm accused of at work involve spelling and grammar. I was always considered "gifted" at school for my writing abilities, and chemo seemed to affect them terribly. I don't know if this is being caused by lingering effects of chemo, something more serious, or just because of the stress I'm under.

     We knew my mother-in-law's cancer had spread to her brain because she started making similar mistakes that gradually got worse. I'm afraid if I mention that to my boss, he'll think I'm being hysterical. Dammit, cancer  hurt me in more ways than just the physical. 

  • LuAnnH
    LuAnnH Member Posts: 8,847
    edited September 2008

    chemo brain is a real thing.  I was involved in an article for the New York Times last year that went over that very topic.  Sometimes men don't get it, we just want to vent and they want to look for the deeper meaning....

  • RIV54
    RIV54 Member Posts: 359
    edited September 2008

    I think most husbands go into a denial thing about BC. They think that becaus you go through tx, whatever it is and you get the all clear from the doctor that all is well and you've beaten the disease. Life is good and its time to move on. They  may see sometimes that we struggle with things, memory, stamina or whatever, but they don't really see the implications. they don't know wahte we do about what BC has done to us. They don't live with the fear that it may return. We are cured and we should get on with our life. My husband was with me from the very beginning, from dx through tx and he goes wth me to my folllow ups, but I know, I can sense that he really does not get it. So I smile and say I'm ok and move on, but in my own mind and heart I fear.

  • gemsa
    gemsa Member Posts: 75
    edited September 2008

    I agree with Gina. I'm 5 years out, and my husband said the other day, "Well, the cancer can't come back at this point, can it?" Uh, yeah! I think they just want to put it all behind. Which I completely understand because I do too.

  • Diana_B
    Diana_B Member Posts: 287
    edited September 2008

    I agree - sounds like he's in denial and is somehow able to compartmentalize things. Sometimes I think friends and family just get tired of the whole thing and feel they've said everything they can on the subject.



    People keep saying it and it's true - the trick is to figure out how to live with uncertainty. I haven't managed it at all: sometimes I'm convinced I'm doomed and other times I'm sure I'll live for many years and there's nothing really to worry about. It's that middle ground of not knowing I can't seem to hold...



    BTW, I used to have perfect spelling and grammar too before all this. Now I make mistakes and words often look strange to me. Plus my handwriting has gotten really messy. Not sure if it's the chemo brain or if I've relaxed my vigilance or couldn't be bothered or what. It's a strange feeling though when good writing has always been part of your identity.



    Also, you've been through a lot in the last five years! That's enough to shake anyone up. No wonder you're unnerved.

  • Sierra
    Sierra Member Posts: 1,638
    edited September 2008

    I am sorry to hear this

    Some people are in denial

    I know with me, some of my family members

    dont even answer (one in particular) if I mention

    I am visiting a cancer buddy... or supporting

    as for the chemofog.. there is a book coming out

    v. soon Chemobrain I believe and myself

    even at 8 some odd yrs, I surely do have

    this.. all the spots were taken for Chemobrain

    at our support centre

    Hang tight, and just move forward

    Be good to yourself

    I think it insensitive when people behave like this

    they do not walk in our shoes

    Sierra :)

  • spar2
    spar2 Member Posts: 6,827
    edited September 2008

    I thought I was alone in feeling this way, my grammer, spelling, and writing are way worse than they were.  I use to do really well on all these things but it has changed a lot since cancer diagnosis in 2004.  I have had people tell me oh there is no such thing as chemobrain but I know there is.

  • candie1971
    candie1971 Member Posts: 4,820
    edited September 2008

    There certainly is chemobrain...and I think it lingers.

    Sometimes I am not as sharp as I used to be and I know it is from the treatments I have had. I,too, live in fear everyday of a cancer recurrence knowing it can come back anywhere!!

  • ibcspouse
    ibcspouse Member Posts: 613
    edited September 2008

    Not all of us in denial,  I am scared to death of all phases of my wife's BC.  But i still do the laundry, cooked six different meals today trying to find something that does not taste like cardboard wrapped in tin foil, cleaned the kitchen including the oven, vacumed the house, and cut the grass.  And I still know that I have done only part of what my wife was doing every day before IBC came into our lives,  Don't get me wrong, I not that great of a husband, today was trying to catch up on housework so I can play golf tommorow, and do the thing she can't do, escape from cancer for a while.   

    As to Chemo brain.;  It shows up in PET/CT scans/ This is quotes from my wife's last one.

    "Decreased FDG avidity in the posterior aspect of the brain/cerebellum.  This may be associated with atophy and has been seen in some treatment or ischemia."

  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited September 2008

    Good grief, everyone makes mistakes at work.  Give yourself a break hooptiedoo.  Has your workload increased?  Do you have many interruptions at work?  Don't just look at yourself for the mistakes at work, look at all factors.  What kind of "mistakes" are you making at home?  Whatever could they be? You need to find ways to destress yourself, take a deep breath, and find ways to improve your self image.  Are you feeling a bit overwhelmed?  Is it affecting yourself esteem?  Start taking care of you, everthing else will fall in place.

  • roderadio
    roderadio Member Posts: 22
    edited September 2008

    may i just say that 1. hooptiedoo, take as much time as you need to get accomplished whatever the heck it is you're doing (on the job and at home)...chemo brain in very much a valid excuse so don't allow anyone to expect perfection from you...2. ibcspouse, would you please teach a seminar about husbands picking up the slack while showing compassion?  i'll sign up my husband as the first student...lol...i know he loves me...but lately i feel he loved me more when i was a size 2-4 with long, curly hair, and a pamela anderson sex drive...it's all gone now, along with his tenderness and willingness to vaccum or fold laundry...Cry

  • kerry_lamb
    kerry_lamb Member Posts: 778
    edited September 2008

    There are two things going on here, and it may be a case of 'Never the twain shall meet'.

    We all know that having cancer is a very private dark place. Sure, it has all kinds of public expressions: we live public lives and have to interact in all kinds of situations. But the cancer part is very private. It's bigger than just 'fear'. It is immense, and I, for one, am very interested in just how much space in our subconscious thoughts of 'recurrence'  takes up. This might explain the lingering chemobrain; we have a finite mechanism  for 'dealing with things', and our subconsciousness is wearing us out. Perhaps.

    The other thing is we have to TRY to understand our husbands' and families' experience of this. As close as they are to IT, and as educated as they have become through the whole thing, they simply can't have our experience. They feel relieved that it's 'over' and that the  welcome new start has arrived. They cannot access that dark private place of ours.

    As women perhaps our most precious quality is that we put the needs of others before ourselves. I am returning to do doing this as I come to the end of my treatment (Sept 28th). Half of it is genuine. Half of it is feigned while I try to get my 'inner voices' under control. I wish my husband and family could access my experience, but I accept that they never can. So...I'm going to 'fake it till I make it'!

    Don't be hard on yourselves, girls. You know where you have been. XXX 

  • Mary-Lou
    Mary-Lou Member Posts: 2,230
    edited September 2008

    The same has happened to me. I thought it was to much stress at work too, I was making mistakes and I can't spell worth a hoot anymore.

    But being home and not under any stress has made no difference.

    I have stopped working and been home for some months now due to a cut in hours. To little hours for the amount of gas. Just not worth it. I have no children at home and I have it made cause my husband does everything I do , so it has never all been on me. Even before the BC.

    But my mind just won't  wrap around the things it used to. And my friends and family make fun of me at times. I can't seem to get words out that are right on the tip of my tongue. Or I can see something and not be able to say what it is that I see.

    It can be downright embarrassing  Embarassed 

    And I feel very stupid at times when I'm with people that I didn't know before BC.

    I'm glad to know there are others out there, and that I am not alone. Thanks for such a wonderful thread.

  • wishiwere
    wishiwere Member Posts: 3,793
    edited September 2008

    Kerry lamb, I think you hit the proverbial nail on the head.  While we are dealing with it, and/or faking it (being over it, tx et al), we still have those lingering dark thoughts, that no one else knows about (besides our friends here).  Thus, when those thoughts cause us tender moments, we are possible affected by that and then chemo brain shows up, or perhaps vice versa, we have moment of forgetfulness and right away our minds go to chemo brain and thus it's perpetual.  Sad, but so true. 

    Chemosabi, you are right....feeling stupid when you forget something is somewhere I've been just lately.  It's like you want to scream I've got chemo brain, then you think...ahhhhhhhh I've been free of chemo 7 months.  When will this end?  It's frustrating and huge part of our lives now, as thinking clearly without interruptions was pre-BC and now it's just not there totally and we feel it, live it, think it.  Reminding us. 

    While others think it (the tx) is over, we know the lasting affects aren't.  We know it's our 'new normal', but getting past that and moving on becomes hard b/c of it.

    We are strong women, we will get through it and we will shine.  Just a different color shine now.  Take heart ladies.  Mis-spellings can be corrected.  Mis-chores can be done tomorrow.  Life can't, and we are living that life and need to let the worry of what OTHERS think go and start to enjoy our lives as they are now.  Fulfill them as WE see fit and only We can.

    Many {{{hugs}}} to you all suffering this malady of chemo brain. I wonder....does this cause our IQ to be lower?  Is spelling a part of your intelligence?  HA!  I don't think so.  So many of you are more knowledgeable than many, many about your health now!  Can only make you more intelligent? True?  More human, more forgiving, more loving, more many things...grasp that and run with it! :D

  • samon
    samon Member Posts: 100
    edited September 2008

    I didn't have chemo so I can't comment on that, but I know my hubby has put this all in the past long ago and it has only been three years for me.  He came with me to all my appointments before my surgery, but not once for any followups int he last two years.  As far as he is concerned it is all done.  I have another chronic illness that I have had for about five years.  I take meds for that every day.   I will say that he is good about reminding me to take my meds if I forget, but other than that, he thinks I'm just fine because I take my meds. 

    Sometimes our spouses just don't want to talk about it because then it makes it less real.  Also, when I was going through bc, I went for a short time to a therapist and she said that sometimes our spouses have a hard time accepting the fact that they are powerless to help us get better or they couldn't protect us from getting sick in the first place. 

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