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winner
winner Member Posts: 50

Obviously, this is more a guess than anything but what do you think caused your cancer?

For me my guess is that it was trauma of infidelity and then a painful divorce.  It is said that  trauma i.e. loss of a parent or spouse can increase your chance of cancer by 60%. 

I have also heard cancer is more an emotional disease.

Thoughts? 

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  • abbadoodles
    abbadoodles Member Posts: 2,618
    edited September 2008

    Nope, none.  Coulda been anything.  Of course, I did work for years as a chemist, exposed to all sorts of nasty chemicals and radiation......................

  • lauren_wyp
    lauren_wyp Member Posts: 26
    edited September 2008

    Hi

    I think that it has an efeect but only a teeny weenie bit. Most of is is caused by the food we eat, lifestlye we go through nad also the environment that we live in which takes a tol in our immune system and when our immune system grows weak the cancer cells gets to work.

    Lauren

    Living a healthy life is cancer prevention

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2008

    I took prepro for 5 years supposedly to prevent heart disease.  Then found out for each year one took it, would increase your chances for breast cancer by 5%.  So that increased my chances by 25%.

    Heredity played another big roll as I tested positive for brca2, so did my older sister.  My middle sister passed away from cancer of the ovary 16 years ago.  We were not really doing genetic testing like we are now.

    I wanted to add that I agree with the emotional/stress being a big risk factor.  When one is stressed, it suppresses you immune system and i think bc is sneaky and would take advantage of that.

    Nicki 

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited September 2008

    I believe that people are born with a genetic predisposition to certain illnesses and conditions,and that the environment  (both physical and social) can play a role in who will develop these illnesses. When we're under extreme stress, our physical defenses are down and our body has to work overtime to be ok.

    I don't buy into any study that suggests a certain percentage of people are more likely to get cancer due to certain life stressors simply because that can't scientifically be prove. Scientists can go back and study people with cancer and see if they had life stressors beforehand, but there are simply no controls to determine what other causes were in place.

    I also think that people like to attribute a cause to things where there may not be one, simply to make sense out of a situation that is overwhelming. If there is a reason, then there can be something to blame and it makes some feel less helpless in the world.

    When I got cancer some people said, why you, because I was youngish and already had a lot to overcome in my life. I'm the roll with the punches type of person. My answer was why not me, why anyone.

    I believe in a strong mind/body connection, but not that a certain event can cause a certain illness, but that stress can weaken the immune system and trigger genetic predispositions after a long period of time.

  • GayleB
    GayleB Member Posts: 385
    edited September 2008

    I agree with you, wholeheartedly, Amy.  I think that I got cancer because the conditions were there.  The HRT didn't "give" it to me, but it may have encouraged the tumor to grow faster than it may have grown over time.  I don't regret taking the HRT, when I was on it, the benefits far outweighed the risks.  I think that genetics play a large part in what happens to our bodies.  And, my reaction was the same as yours:  if not me, then who?  We get what we get and we play the hand we are dealt.  Fortunately, my cancer was found early and I am most comfortable with the decisions we are making regarding my treatment.  Will I die from cancer?  Maybe.  Will I die from heart disease?  Probably.  Will I get run over by a dump truck?  There's a possibility for that, too.  The key is not to dwell on the cause but to focus on the care and just make the best of what you have now. 

  • Dejaboo
    Dejaboo Member Posts: 2,916
    edited September 2008

    Well said Amy.   And Gayle what you added.   Exactly how I feel/think.  

    I took a test a few weeks ago online & I had a .9% chance of getting bc!

    Pam

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited September 2008

    I would agree with most of the above.  It isn't just one thing.  It is a culmination of genes, environment, food, stresses on our immune system, etc.

    When my teenage daughter was dx with cancer I went crazy trying to figure out what had caused it.  Was it something I had done while pregnant?  Something we exposed her to?  The food we fed her?  Eventually her onc convinced me that I was wasting a lot of energy on this subject and that we would never really know.  He told me to focus on what we do know and go from there.  Some of the best advice I got.

  • Hanna60978
    Hanna60978 Member Posts: 815
    edited December 2011
  • mke
    mke Member Posts: 584
    edited September 2008

    As I've had BC 3 times now I would guess that there is a genetic component for me.

  • pinoideae
    pinoideae Member Posts: 1,271
    edited September 2008

    I don't know what caused my cancer, but I was having stress at the time, and I remember being very tired a lot.

  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited September 2008

    Hanna, do you have any links to any such studies and do you know the scientific methods used to come up with this data? I'm curious because I spent a lot of time doing academic research and would love to see statistically significant research on this. I can't figure out how they could do a double blind study on this and rule out other variables precancer or illness.

  • Hanna60978
    Hanna60978 Member Posts: 815
    edited December 2011
  • swimangel72
    swimangel72 Member Posts: 1,989
    edited September 2008

    I'm convinced my BC started way back when I was about 10 or 11 and was exposed to DDT in the mid 1960's. It wasn't until the 70's that government outlawed DDT -  but even then, my mom kept a "stash" in the basement to spray her plants. Once she sprayed it in the house at a bat flying around. Check out the following link where you'll find this statement:

    "Women under that age of 14 when DDT came into widespread DDT use in the US have a 5-fold increase in risk of breast cancer if they are within the high exposure group. No relationship is apparent for women 14 or older."

    http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/newscience/2007/2007-0730cohnetal.html

    Back in the 1930's, my mom lived in Ireland (their life was similar to that of someone living in the 1700's.........no running water, no food, little money, 13 kids and 2 adults living in a 2 room thatched cottage on a leased potato farm.) They suffered terribly from bedbugs - and when DDT was invented, they all said, "Thank God for the man who invented DDT". This story will help you understand why my mother kept her "stash" against all advice. Back then, they knew that DDT was dangerous to birds and the environment - but no one said it was dangerous to pre-pubescent girls.  Oh - and back in the mid-60's - I recall airplanes and trucks spraying DDT over the beaches of Long Island sound to kill the mosquitoes while we kids happily dug in the sand. Foot in mouth 

    My dad died from brain cancer when he was just 60 - he swam in the polluted waters of the creeks in the Bronx in the 1940's and was also exposed to DDT while on those mucky beaches and while serving in the Navy. Maybe DDT was only a small piece of the puzzle of why he got brain cancer - and why I have BC - I'm sure a genetic disposition is involved too.

    It's like that picture showing blind people examing a huge elephant in a room - each of us holds a "piece" of truth in our hands.....................maybe my truth is only the "tail" - hopefully, someday, we'll be able to put all the pieces of this puzzle together and CURE this beast!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2008

    I think that there is a component of genetic pre-disposition, and a component of lowered immunity that combined to allow the cancer to grow without being dealt with by my immune system.  I had an extrememly stressful year that affected my general health and strength.  I was also exposed to x-rays a number of times in the year leading up to my diagnosis, with more exposure on the side that developed cancer .  Of course other lifestyle factors, like weight which added to my hormone levels, and the whole combination came together resulting in the cancer diagnosis. 

  • pennylane
    pennylane Member Posts: 177
    edited September 2008

    Hey winner, Me too with you!  Although my mom died of ovarian at a young age, and I smoked, I feel that the discovery of my husband's infidelity made me way too open for a nasty sucker-punch...and BC delivered it.  When you walk around too sad and too angry and not caring whether you live or die for an extended period of time....welll there you go.... 

  • prayrv
    prayrv Member Posts: 941
    edited September 2008

    I have no idea where my cancer came from - no family history, healthy lifestyle, quit smoking over 10 years ago, and I had no stress.  I honestly think that 23 years of birth control pills contributed to mine as I was ER and PR 100% positive.  But no one knows.  Mine was caught early and hopefully will not return.  At least I will be followed closely and so will my 2 daughters.

    Gentle Hugs,

    Trish

  • Hanna60978
    Hanna60978 Member Posts: 815
    edited December 2011
  • NoH8
    NoH8 Member Posts: 2,726
    edited September 2008

    Hanna, I was talking about human studies. I sure know how to google, I just figured since you were debating what I was saying you would have something to back it up.

  • Hanna60978
    Hanna60978 Member Posts: 815
    edited December 2011
  • gsg
    gsg Member Posts: 3,386
    edited September 2008

    Hey, Hanna:  A girlfriend gave me the book "Skinny Bitch" to read over the weekend...unfortunately, I've been too busy...but will try to squeeze it in during the week.  She wants to convince me to become a vegan.  I don't see that happening...but hope it convinces me to at least eat better.  Good luck to you with your battle with the BMI.  It's such a frustrating struggle.  I worry that being overweight will cause a recurrence, but yet I still shovel it in.

  • Sierra
    Sierra Member Posts: 1,638
    edited September 2008

    Hi Gals:

    Prior (several years) to BC..I had a great

    deal of stress in life

    however, did take HRT and

    birth control tabs

    I do not place blame on one thing

    but several, certainly an unbalance in the body

    lowered immune system and whammo

    My Father had Cancer, but, as I say

    several contributors.. this is my opinion

    Best to all

    Sierra :)

  • Bugs
    Bugs Member Posts: 1,719
    edited September 2008

    Ha, gsg..my friend sent me an email on Saturday eve asking me if I had ever read Skinny Bitch.  She is reading it right now.  I said no....but I *am* drinking Sweet Bitch wine!  Since she gives me her books to read when she's done..I will be reading it soon, I think.

     Bugs (btw...the wine was great, lol)

  • lisa39
    lisa39 Member Posts: 255
    edited September 2008

    I have very dense breasts which I've read increases BC risk by 30%.  I was also overweight as a teenager - remember that big study earlier this year that linked BC with being fat in the teen years?  I also didn't have my first child till age 31. Not having a child before age 30 increases BC risk even more than never having one.  And finally, I used to drink water at my desk out of a nalgene bottle that contained BPA.  I live in Canada..where the govt has recently banned many plastic products containing BPA because of it's link to cancer.  Here I thought I was being so virtuous by drinking my water.  All those things added up are why I think I got BC at age 38.  Bugs... can I have some of that wine?  I hear Sweet Bitch is a very good brand, and I sure could use a glass!

  • MissUniverse
    MissUniverse Member Posts: 75
    edited September 2008

    When I was first dx'd, I jokingly blamed it on the attorney's I had worked with for years - 3 of the women that worked for them (small office) developed bc.  I figured it was the stress of working with them. I know I can't blame it on them really, but it was worth a shot.  I have no family history, I never took the Pill or HRT, I wasn't even perimenopausal, not very overweight. My mom died of lung cancer after 40+ years of smoking, my sister had cervical cancer, not hereditary, my grandmother died of bone cancer, again, not hereditary.  It just sucker-punched me.  For a while after my ex developed liver cancer I was thinking it might be environmental but ruled that out when it came out that at some point in his early life he had had hepatitis (he hadn't disclosed that to me).  It hurt my head trying to figure out the why, I can't change it, I have no choice but to accept it (albeit with a CANCER SUCKS attitude!) and now I just concentrate on getting through chemo (2 more Taxol's to go) and making sure that I do whatever I can to make sure it doesn't come back including doing everything I can to lose these last 30 pounds, drinking lots of water, exercising (working on getting that BMI down). 

  • carolsd
    carolsd Member Posts: 358
    edited September 2008

    An interesting question. How many of us have wondered whether something we were exposed to or experienced may have contributed to our cancer?

    I have often thought back. I took birth control pills for years, the high-estrogen ones because they didn't exacerbate acne and I had complexion problems. I ended up with estrogen-positive BC.

    My husband blindsided me with a divorce when our children were 4 years old. He went to a lawyer, had papers drawn up, and announced it to me in a so-called counseling session. He'd already identified and gotten engaged to his next wife. My world went tumbling into chaos. I was underemployed, working a part-time job, forced to move out and try to find a better way to earn a living. I had no family closer than 1200 miles away and he wouldn't permit me to take the kids and relocate. It was a horrible trauma and I'm not sure I'm over it today.

    My kids and I moved into a rental house that was a huge step down from what we were used to. I didn't have the $$ to fight him in court. I agreed to 50-50 custody even though I didn't agree with it. We never had 50-50 custody; I've always had the kids 80% of the time. But his child support payments reflect 50-50 custody. I earn about 1/4 what he earns.

    A couple of years later I was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease that's incurable. I have to try to control it with injections. Later that same year I got the BC diagnosis. I've also struggled with allergic asthma as I'm severely allergic to the pollens of this area of the country. But still I can't relocate, even for my health.

    I feel so beaten down at this point I just slog through each day, working a job I don't really like, not earning enough, seeing my family only once or twice a year, and I miss them terribly. I'm so afraid one of my parents will suddenly pass away and I haven't seem them in months, it haunts me and keeps me up at night. But I can't afford to travel frequently and don't have the time off from work.

    I don't know if emotional issues contribute to BC but I feel I had severe emotional stress in the years leading up to it.

  • iodine
    iodine Member Posts: 4,289
    edited September 2008

    As a student/and graduate nurse, I always claimed that if I ever got bc it would be because of the all the women, zoned out on scopolamine in the delivery room kicking my boob and/or the drunks and other idiots in the ER who injured me the same way.

    LOL, I dont' believe it was either.  I had the pill only a short (comparatively) time and HRT for a LONG time.  Probably added to the source of bc.  I had Very stressful jobs and for the 10 years before diagnosis I had my most stressful job.  Also a stressful home life with a dh who had rages, no injury, mind you, but he really could get loud!

    The long term nurse's study that they keep referring to as a source of info about all kinds of diseases, esp. bc, came out stating that FRENCH FRIES contributed to bc I just quit reading any of their media panic reports---------------I believe Nothing they say now.  NO ONE knows!

     I got bc because I have breasts! 

  • Sierra
    Sierra Member Posts: 1,638
    edited September 2008

    hi Gals:

    Lisa and Iodine:

     I had dense breasts as well

    hmm. but the stress, loss of a job

    and financial worries, boy that

    grates on a person's immune system,

    since DX.. I have changed my coping mechanisms

    and also reset boundaries with family... v. important one

    My heart goes out to nurses, having had

    some wonderful ones during TX

    Namaste

    Sierra 

    for Carol:  sending you a big hug

    what a huge plate you carry there

    hope it gets lighter

    I also had to downsize recently

    very much so.. due to finances

    BOY, have I cut back :))

    Note re weight:  My onc told me

    not to put on any more, some yrs

    back, I have since lost :)

  • carolsd
    carolsd Member Posts: 358
    edited September 2008

    Sierra,

    Thank you, hugs always help.

    Carol

  • jah4377
    jah4377 Member Posts: 42
    edited September 2008

    Wow! I always thought it was luck of the draw, but after reading everyones post????

    1. I had very dense breasts (still have one).

    2. I was exposed to DDT in the 60's. (We use to run behind the mosquitoe truck)..I was under 14.

    3. Mother took drugs to prevent miscariage before she was pregnant with me.

    4. I have an autoimmune disease.

    5. No family history of any kind cancer.

    6. No Children.

    7. I am fat. (50 lb over weight)

    8. And both my parents died (with in 6 months of eachother) 2 1/2 years before I was DX. (Very, very stressfull Time!!!!!!!!!)

  • Joyce-PA
    Joyce-PA Member Posts: 122
    edited September 2008

    Interesting thread:

    1.  No children

    2.  Started menopause late - Still getting period @ 55 (stopped when I started Tam 8 mos. ago)

    3.  Stress - Last few years have been stressful - mom passed away April '03; three months later my husband passed away unexpectedly; dad passed away a year ago.

    4.  No overweight; excersied most of my life;  never smoked.

     My doc said stress has alot to do with it; but who really knows.

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