Basal Subtype with Triple Negative
Hello,
I am hoping there is someone out there that will be able to give me more information. I'm 38 and a little over a month ago was diagnosed with IDC, 4.2 cm, grade 3, node positive, but the path report also talked about 5 tumor markers (Vimentin positive, Cytokeratin 5/6 positive, ER, PR, and Her2 all negative). They also made mention of a consistency with this basal subtype of invasive breast cancer that is also observed with BRCA-1 with very poor clinical outcomes. Maybe I shouldn't read my path report, but I'm an educated woman. I don't want to dwell on clinical outcomes, but I'm seeing the ONC on monday for the first time and would like to know if there is anyone out there that can tell me what to expect? Is the onc going to be honest about my prognosis, will he talk about gene testing? Is there anyone else that has had treatment for this type of BC? Any advice I am giving would be great. I will be rooting for each and every one of you. Thanks in Advance!!!!
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Hi Jessie,
Sorry you've had to join our group. You are in the scariest part of your journey when you have so many questions and so much is still unknown. The imagination tends to go wild. Once you have a treatment plan, you will probably feel better.
It is important to look over your pathology report so you kow what to ask your onc. There are all kinds of resources (including on this web site) that can help you understand it. Like you, when I was first diagnosed, I was ravenous for infomation. Having BC will give you quite an education. Write your questions down so you don't forget. I kept a notebook of Q & As and brought it with me to every visit. A decent oncologist should be open to your questions and honest about your prognosis. Mine was. He was also very thorough in ordering scans and tests. Waiting for results was hard, but then it was a relief to know exactly where I stood.
I'm not sure what Vimentin and Cytokeratin positive indicates, but ER, PR and Her-2 negative cancers (AKA triple negative) are typically high grade and/or basal like. It is important to understand that while women with BRCA mutations often have tumors that are 3N, the reverse is not true. Most 3N do not have a BRCA mutation. That said, if your onc doesn't discuss genetic testing with you, you should bring it up. This is an important piece of information you will need when deciding on your treatment.
You are likely to hear all kinds of scary things about 3N cancer in the news and online, but remember that the media loves drama. I am glad that 3NBC is getting some attention, but I find that most media coverage of it is very negatively skewed. Of course, it's not good, but there are some aspects of being 3N that are more favorable than other types of BC. For one thing, we tend to respond VERY well to chemotherapy. My tumor was slightly larger than yours, but it completely disappeared. Because of this, my onc is very optimistic about my prognosis. Also, after 3-4 years, the odds of having a recurrence of 3NBC drop dramatically. 3NBC cancer is really a catch-all term that groups us according to what we are NOT. What we have in common is that they don't know what fuels our cancer. We are not all the same and our prognosis is greatly affected by other factors, such as BRCA mutations and how well we respond to chemo initially.
I hope this information helps. My heart goes out to you and my thoughts will be with you on Monday.
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Hi Jessie,
I'm trip neg and stage 3A. My BC was tested for and is the basal subtype. I am 2 years and 2 months post diagnosis and cancer free as far as we know. I am not BRCA-1. Now take a deep breath and know that even with all kinds of unfavorable things on your path report you can do well! My path report had a whole page of markers with PROGNOSIS UNFAVORABLE written over and over. Well I'm still here and doing well!!!!
As for your onc. do write down all your questions. It is so hard to remember in times of stress. I have an onc who is very straight forward and brutally honest. This is what I am comfortable with. You need to be comfortable with your onc . Many ladies get more then 1 opinion when deciding on treatment plans.
Wishing you the best of luck Monday. Please check back in and tell us how you are.
Sue
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I requested info regarding my dx, I will call Monday and ask what the hold up is, will check in later.
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Jessie, your visit to the doc on Monday, will probably be about your treatment, chemo and or radiation treatments. These are the current treatments for triple negative bc. I have never heard of Vimentin or Cytokeratin. As I said earlier I have requested my cancer dx info (a couple of weeks ago actually), I think it's time for me to read the dang path report.
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Summer,
Good luck with getting your path report. Stay on them. I think some doctors don't want to let their patients see their path reports, but I think they are getting better. Let me know how it goes. Good luck to you. Jessie
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Hey Boo,
By the way that was my nickname my father gave me as a child, and still calls me to this day. Thanks for all the support and encouraging words. I will post a report on how things went on monday. This is my first time in any kind of discussion forum since dx and it's a wonderful support network. Thanks again, Jessie
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Cheranthia,
Thank you so much for all the great info. I know I can't put all my energy into what the prognosis means, but this whole thing is still so new I think I'm a little fixated on it. My mom also spoke with me about being gene tested. Nobody in my family has ever been tested before. There is no breast cancer in my family, but my aunt and cousin both died of ovarian cancer. So the gene testing is something I'm definitely going to pursue.
I will post more info after my appt. Thanks again!!! Jessie
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Hey Jessie how did the onc. visit go?? Thinking of you.
My childhood nickname was boo also
. Guess I'm not very original when it come to picking a screen name!
Sue
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Oh sister, never fear, with so many law suits, you will get everything they know. The days of gently helping the patient with half-truths is long gone, they got their pants sued off. So now, we actually, in some cases, get more info than we want or need.
I am 10 years post treatment, a TriNeg with a little sub-type cancer that occurs in only 5% of cases of BC, It is called Medullary. Who knew?
Absolutely read and understand your path report, knowledge is strength. It always has scary things in it. Get Dr. Susan Love's Breast Book, too. She, to me, is a blessing.
Gentle hugs, Shirlann
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Jessie -
Hope your appt with your onc went well. You can always get a second opinion and/or find a new onc if you feel that the one you were assigned is not a good fit.
When I changed insurance (thankfully escaped my prior HMO where I had to fight them and the cancer), in meeting with my new onc (who I selected due to his research), I mentioned that I was very pro-active, wanted to discuss pertienent studies and take a very active role in my treatment - and whether that would work for him. He thought it was great. We have a great collaborative relationship.
Since you want to be fully informed, definitely get copies of all of your reports and read them! I now get mine e-mailed to me PRIOR to my appt with my onc, so I will have pored over it and can make the best use of my appt that way.
Personally, I think on-line research is much better than any book. Much more current. Quite frankly, on my initial dx (early stage, clear nodes), I thought Dr. Love's book (her most current at the time in 9/2004) was outstanding - but knowing what I know now (esp on trip neg, BRCA1 and mets), it was painfully out of date for trip negs ... and did not do me any favors. This is a great website, as is www.tnbcfoundation.org
If you think you might be BRCA positive, you should check out the FORCE (Facing Our Risk of Cancer Empowered) website at www.facingourrisk.og for the latest info and support. With your doctor, the first step will be meeting with a genetic counselor (which he/she probably needs to refer you to).
Best to you,
CalGal
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Jessie - I'm triple negative, BRCA 2 positive, and hit my 3 years from dx mark this past May. Hope you appt went well.
Hey Boo!
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Shirlann,
I see you post often and always wonder how you know your triple neg this far out from your diagnoses? Did they pull your tumor and re-test? I have not meet anyone who when this long and got them to re-test original tumor.
Flalady
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Hey Everyone,
My onc visit went well. We went ahead and sent off for the gene testing, so hopefully I'll know something in the next few weeks. I really liked him alot. He was very informative, but kind of brutal. When I say that I mean SS and how agressive the cancer is blah, blah. He also advised that if I'm BRCA pos I should strongly consider a bialteral mastectomy and an oophorectomy. GD, more surgery, but may be not.
I actually had my first chemo treatment yesterday and am doing fairly well. I had some nausea, but they give you great drugs. My nurse said I would probably feel worse over the weekend. I planning on being at work monday with bells on though.
Thank you to everyone for all their wonderful support. I love this site and hope to become more active in it, besides for me but for other people too. I hope your doing okay Boo, and thanks for the encouragement to all.
Jessie
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Hello,
Not to put a damper on the upbeat discussion, but I am triple negative...and had only 5 months NED. Cancer has come back in the skin...looks like a mild diaper rash. Now on Xeloda. Onc says that despite chemo, surgery and radiation, the cancer probably never really died.
Be viligent and make sure you tell your onc about any changes. My GP and my surgeon both told me that the rash was "post radiation dermatitis" and it went undiagnosed for months! Triple Negative is BAD news!!! ChristineE
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March907,
You have every right to be upset about your situation, but what were you thinking when you posted such a brutal, negative message directly to a newbie? Did you not notice that she had just thanked everyone for their encouragment? That was a pretty clear indicator of the kind of support she needed from this forum. Don't you remember how scary it is when you've just been diagnosed? I assure you, it is not necessary to add to the fear factor. I think it was disingenuous to say you weren't trying to put a damper on the upbeat discussion.
Jessie,
I'm glad to hear your visit to the onc went well and you're tolerating your first chemo OK so far. It is no fun, but it's very doable. Considering how well MOST TNs respond to chemo, it's well worth the short-term unpleasantness. These next few months will go by more quickly than you might imagine. Try to keep your spirits up, even when you hear negative things about TNBC. I'm sure you and your doctors are being particularly vigilant - especially while you're in treatment. I encourage you to read the posts of the many long term survivors on this forum. It's certainly not always bad news. Hang in there!
Cheranthia
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Jessie
So glad your onc visit and 1st chemo went well. What chemo did they start you on? I also worked during chemo. It was tough at times but so good for my mental health to go to work. I am doing great Jessie. Thanks for asking.
Hey Coleen!! How are you?
March - I'm so sorry to hear of your recurrance. Yes TN is agressive. The fact remains that most will NOT have a recurrance. Saying a prayer that your new treatment will kick cancers ass.
Sue
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Hey Sue! I'm doing pretty darn good, hope you're the same.
Jessie - love hearing that your onc visit went well, and that you're tolerating the chemo well so far. Don't get discouraged if you have some bad days as well, although they seem like forever when they're happening, they are short-term. There are lots of great tips and tricks to deal with SEs of chemo if you get them. And, one step at a time re the surgeries. I will tell you that I found out I was BRCA+ well after the fact, and wish I had known at the time, as I definitely would have done the bi-lat mast. I just have my ovaries out this summer, it was basically a breeze from a surgical perspective anyway :-)
March - Sorry to hear about your recurrence, hope your new treatment kicks butt.
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