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Hi all,
I had a doc appt yesterday and my 3rd treatment of Taxol and Herceptin. My mother went to the doc appt and treatment with me yesterday. A few weeks ago when she went I asked her that if she were going into the appt with me that she was not to ask questions about mets or anything that could give a negative report. I may handle things a little differently than most, and you may not agree with how I do it, but I told my doctor that I did not want to hear negative reports, only positive and blood counts and such. I want everything to stay extremely positive and uplifting since treatment is hard enough to go through anyway. I told him that if I wanted to know then I would ask. Anyway, my mother, during my appt, just blurts out to him "has anything spread past the lymph nodes and have you run tests to find out?" I was so TICKED OFF!!!!! I had told her before that if she felt she needed that info then to call him and keep it to herself unless I asked. I love my mother and appreciate her support, but she went against what I had told her because she wanted to know. I understand her need to feel better, but the doc appt was about my wishes while I was in there and how I wish to handle things. YES, I was pleased to hear that they saw no evidence of anything at all spreading past the lymph nodes and that all tests were clean. What if it had been the opposite news that I didn't want to hear? I hope you can understand where I am coming from. I understand that she is part of this too, but I told her specifically that I needed her to respect my wishes and not do that. This is what my mother is like though, she speaks first and apologized later, still getting what she needs out of it. What would you do? Would you keep her out of the doctor's office the next time, because I didn't want her in there. I wanted to do it alone, but she wanted to come in.
Cathie
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Cathie,
As a mom I can understand where you mom is comming from, but this is about you and you needs not hers. That said, you need to know everything you can about your cancer so you can make informed decisions on your treatment also. You should be the one asking those question not her. You need to know the bad as well as the good. This is a long process and there are alot of decisions you will have to make.
Bottom line, mom should be quite and you should ask those question. Knowlege is what helps us heal.
good luck
Pattyinarnold
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Cathie,
I know exactly how you feel....I too just wanted to know the positive, but was told negative as well and the negative wasn't so bad...it did ease my mind. That being said it's about you and you are the most important person right now and if mom can't understand that then she needs to stay out of the doctors office. Right now we get so much info that sometimes its so hard to process, so we don't need anyone else coming in and asking more questions. She can wait for you outside
good luck
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Hi again, Cathie -
As someone who has faced BC as both a mom and a daughter, I understand both sides of the situation. In this instance, however, I'm going to take mom's side.
My oldest daughter was extremely ill some time back; we even feared she might lose her eyesight. I went with her to all the various the doctors' offices, even though I was also under a gag-order, so to speak. My daugher (out of fear) only wanted to hear the positive, even though she was in danger of neglecting important aspects of her treatment by not investigating her illness thoroughly.
I lived in fear. I didn't want to lose my girl, and I also didn't want her to suffer needlessly with side effects that she might be able to avoid. So I went against the gag-order, and asked the doctor questions during one of the consultations. (I'd like to add that I had no way of asking these questions outside scheduled consultations since we were dealing with a specialist who flew to the island where we lived for consultations, and then returned to his mainland hospital.)
My daugher was furious, just as you are furious. However, we did find out that an oral treatment might be as good as a surgical procedure that was being considered (if anyone wants further info, please PM me). When my daughter calmed down, we decided to try the oral route, and thank God it worked. My daughter was spared surgery. However, we might never have known about this alternative if I hadn't spoken out of turn.
No matter. Had I spoken up and found out nothing we didn't already know, as a mother I still feel I had a DUTY to inquire. Even when our children are older, even when they're adults, we remain parents and feel responsible for the young ones we've brought into this world, watched over, and cared about for years.
I vote with your mother. She loves you and is probably frankly terrified.
Hugs,
Annie
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Cathie...Assuming that you are legally an adult, it is my opinion that you have the INVIOLABLE right to be the ONLY one who can access your own medical information. Whether your mother's intent is to ease her own fears and worries or not, EVERYTHING about you and your body are YOURS. I have had this issue with various close family members over the years of having had regular medical problems and have learned to make a case of it BEFORE it becomes an issue. So I inform all of my medical caregivers that no one but me should be given any information. This approach has never failed me, but if a breach did occur, I'd make sure that my wishes were clearly spelled out in all of my medical records and I'd remind the caregivers periodically.
This is your right to privacy and, if you feel strongly about it, defend it!
~Marin
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Dear Cathie
I too agree with you. I want the truth, good or bad, but I don't want anyone else asking questions. My husband is upset that I won't take him to appointments. That is unfortunate. He has embarassed me in the past. I won't let it happen again. Don't let your mom in the exam room. This works for me.
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Thanks everyone. Keep in mind that had there been metastases, it wouldn't have changed my course of treatment in any way. I wanted to know after the treatments were over and I was through the worst of it, not in the middle when it was the hardest just to get through every week. While I agree that my mom had a right to know, she did have access to his phone number and he would have gladly spoken with her and answered questions. I did not avoid knowing out of fear at all, just because I wanted to know the positives only while in the most aggressive treatment. My husband was told the same thing as my mother and he respected my wishes. I have very big trust issues because of past problems, and this was EXTREMELY important to me that my wishes were respected. My mother tends to do what she wants and just apologize later, thinking that it will just fix everything to say she is sorry, but not feeling bad about her actions. I will not have her in the doctor's room with me again, but will welcome her with open arms to be there during chemo treatments.
Cathie
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Cathie-
I can understand why you are upset but your mom is very worried about you too and possibly more worried than you are. Yes, she should respect your wishes without a doubt but she is going through alot as well. You need to have a heart to heart with her and work something out about respecting each others needs. You are fortunate to have such a caring mom. Appreciate her. When I called my mom to tell her that I have breast cancer she said to me oh well.... everyone has their problems and informed me that her knee has been bothering her lately. Yes, it didn't faze her and she could have cared less that her 38 year old daughter who had 3 young (10Yr old,5 yr old,8 months old baby) has breast cancer and is hysterical and needs her mom right now. She never offered to help in anyway (she's retired and has nothing to do), she didn't even call to see how I was doing, never mind going with me to any doctor's appts. Now you got to hear my story and what kind of mom I have but we can't choose our parents so I just accept her for what she is. I would have loved to have a mom that cared enough to go with me to atleast one of my numerous doctor appts.
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I am sorry that your mom reacted that way. That had to be painful. I still feel I was entitled to have at least control over the information given during my doctor's appts, especially since everything else in the last 4 months has been nothing but out of control.
Cathie
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Cathie, I agree with you, and with Marin's advice. You said this: "My mother tends to do what she wants and just apologize later, thinking that it will just fix everything to say she is sorry, but not feeling bad about her actions."
That behavior is very familiar to me--it's how my mother has always dealt with family interactions, too. In your case, there could be several reasons why your mom violates your wishes about medical information: She may be very concerned about your welfare, and she needs more information than you are providing to her; she may think you need to know more about your condition, and this is her way of forcing the issue to ensure that you get it; or she may not be able to control her emotions, so she blurts things out and thinks everything will be OK if she apologizes later (which is what my mom does).
In any case, this is your cancer and your life. Your mom has no "right" to compel you to hear things you have asked your doctor not to tell you. She has no "right" to force herself into situations where you'd rather not have her present (like attending your doctor's visits with you). You are an adult woman, and she needs to concede that you have the privileges and authority commensurate with adulthood. (I first wrote that she should grant you those rights--but you earn them with maturity, not because she decides to give them to you. They're sort of inalienable.)
OTOH, my mother would say (and has said, as recently as last year), "You are my child, you will always be my child, and I can treat you like a child if I wish!" (I am 56). No, mom...sorry. You can treat me that way if you wish, but I don't have to expose myself to that treatment anymore.
So, Cathie, in my opinion, you should not invite your mom to accompany you to your next appointment. If she asks, or insists, you can simply tell her (politely), "Sorry, Mom--I'm going without you this time." Explain, if necessary, that you made this decision because she went against your express wishes. Or make up something more palatable.
She may tell you that you need to know more about your cancer than you are willing to hear. Explain that you are an adult, now, and you are capable of making decisions about your welfare--even if she doesn't agree with them, or if they don't seem logical to her. What you want to hear about your situation is something you need to negotiate with your doctor.
Heck, that's one reason why the federal government has HIPAA regulations in the first place--so patients are in control of their medical information, and can decide who has access to it. My mom would be very upset if she found out that I've restricted access to my medical information (including my status if I'm hospitalized or undergo surgery) to my husband. He is the only person to whom the hospital and my doctors can release information about my condition. Everyone else must go through him or call me directly.
If your mom wants more information, she should call your doctor and ask him (assuming you've authorized him to release information to her).
I'm sorry if I sound really upset about this issue. It's too close. I hope you work this out, Cathie.
otter
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Thanks otter and everyone else. I feel it is best for her not to be in the room with me. I love her and don't want anymore damage to the relationship. Any other breaches of trust would do more damage than good.
Cathie
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I won't allow my mother to go with me to the doctor. She talks to doctors as if she doesn't trust them and I find it embarrassing. She was upset with me many times during my treatment (I wouldn't let her go to chemo either). When I was having my second surgery she showed up before hand and I allowed her to wait with me in the pre op room. The doctor came to see me right before surgery and my mother started in with her questions. I said something to her right in front of the doctor who mouthed to me "it's okay I can handle it" and he did! A week later she asked to go with me to the doctor! I flat out said you can't be trusted and you proved it last week. So sad, I wish I could enjoy her coming with me.
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