Burst Seroma
I feel like I ought to start with the disclaimer that I do not have bc. Rather, I've been treated for granulomatous mastitis. I just had a lumpectomy two weeks back from this past Tuesday to remove the rather large mass (6.0cm x 3.5cm x 3.2cm on the last ultrasound, although the actual chunks removed, according to the pathology report, were bigger).
This morning, while at work, the seroma in my breast burst. I work as a caregiver for elderly clients, and the lady I was working with, an alzheimer's patient, became very panicked. Mostly, it was disgusting - my shirt and bra were drenched, and as I tried to wipe the disgusting fluid off her floor, more spilled down my belly. Yuck! I paged my dr, and he had me come up to the ambulatory surgery clinic, where he stapled the tiny gaps in my incision closed, put me on another dose of antibiotics, and sent me home, with instructions to rest for the weekend.
Anyhow, has anyone else had a seroma burst like this? I'm a little afraid now of it happening again! I thought I was being gentle and careful and taking good care of myself...
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RedWeasel, that sounds so awful! I'm so sorry!
I had a seroma between excisional biopsy (equivalent to a small lumpectomy) and eventual mastectomy -- it didn't burst, but it was very painful, and I think it developed in part because I immediately went back to work, and even worked an all-nighter 2 weeks after biopsy/lumpectomy.
I also had mastitis several times while nursing my son, 25 years ago. The mastitis was DEFINITELY related to poor nutrition -- I got it 3 times, and each time was after a crazy day where I went 8 or 10 hours without eating -- NOT something to do when you're nursing!
Anyway -- I'm glad you came here -- don't apologize!
And just because you don't have BC doesn't mean you don't need special treatment! Mastitis is no joke, and healing from surgery isn't either. I imagine in your job you do some lifting? I really hope you can take it as easy as possible -- maybe get a little extra time off?
Just generally, healing from surgery and/or infection/inflammation requires good nutrition and plenty of good rest. Protein, vitamins, lots of water, lots of good nights' sleep, NO LIFTING!
Here's a little post-surgery nutrition info: http://www.hss.edu/24217.htm
I hope others will be along with more advice, but I just want to give (((gentle hugs))) and hopes that you'll be on the mend soon,
Ann
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RedWeasel, I am so sorry this happened to you and I can imagine the poor patient's panic.
Yes, I've been there, in fact I'm still there, and I will continue to be there for 2 more weeks. I won't go into my story but I have to tell you I don't like that your Dr. stapled you back together and sent you home. It is my opinion that your internal wound needs to drain. Then again, I didn't go to medical school so it's quite possible that I'm higher than a kite on a moderately windy day!
I think the antibiotics was a really smart move. Make sure you take them all.
Can it happen again? I don't know. Mine was left open to drain and it did happen again.
I wish I could help you but being that our treatment plans were at opposite ends of the spectrum, I have no magic words of wisdom.
I'm just so sorry that you had to take care of someone else and clean up the mess when you had to be scared chitless.
You are an action hero in the flesh!! I'm proud of you. -karen
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First did he doctor culture the fluid prior to putting you on antibiotics cause once you have that break infection is more likely? If the antibiotic is not the right one, it is useless to treat any infection brewing. Generally once you start on any antibiotic it become more difficult to identify correctly any bacteria that may be present. As a preventive antibiotic there are definitely certain types that are used. Secondly if a drain isn't place any more accumulated fluid will drain at the path of least resistance and come out the breach already created by the bursting. Therefore the most likely scenario is placing a drain and leaving it in until the drainage is minimal. I think I understand by what I have read that breast surgery tends to develop draining by the nature of the area so this is why drains are frequently used. I am clearly not any type expert and only became interested because of my own experience with bursting seroma. So sorry you had this happen and will hope that your current treatment works even though it ,in my opinion only , doesn't follow standard therapies. Again I hope this approach works for you even though I think it may be a bit unusual.
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Thanks for the responses, ladies. It may sound terrible, but misery loves company... It's just good to know I'm not alone.
My doctor said that the staples will hold the sides of the skin together, and will be less likely to pull and deform the skin like stitches would. The surface of the incision was never stitched - it was held tightly together with a ton of steri-strips, with stitching in the unseen layers of flesh underneath. (I hope that makes sense)
He never discussed the possibility of a drain, and seemed to indicate that the space filling with fluid was part of the healing process. I really do trust him - he's a widely renowned breast specialist, and is actually on the editorial staff of the Journal of Surgical Oncology.
I'm scheduled to go back for a follow-up next week, and to have the staples removed. I'll discuss the drain concept with him, because the very thought of this happening again is very frightening to me.
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Oh, and by the way, how long should the no-lifting thing be in effect? I really don't have a good idea of how much my activity should be limited, for how long. Again, the surgery was about two and a half weeks ago now.
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Red Weasel,
(oh, and I'm a woman - johnwayne is just my screen name - you know - he kicked cancer's ass)
Anyway, yes, I had breast leakage seroma leakage after my surgery. It is not uncommon. On was on the subway to work, got up (black baggy shirt thank goodness) and my side and butt were drenched with fluid. I had a feeling what it was, so I didn't panic. This happened a couple of days after my post-surgical strips were removed. Boob proceeded to leak all the way to the doctor's office, where they drained my breast (just with light hand pressure), but yes, when I leaned back on the examing table another good cup, 2 cups, of clear, slightly yellow fluid came out of me. The way my doctor put it, fluid seeks to leave the body via the easiest route - so, out of my incision. A seros is just an empty spot in your body (from your surgery) where liquid (seros) has collected. When one does not leak, it is gradually absorbed back into the body and is expelled naturally. Also - there is NOTHING disgusting about what came out of your body. It is a part of you and a part of your body's natural system of healing itself. In particular now I find it is VERY important to love your body. So hug your boob/boobs and have a good day.
best, JW
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Also: yes, it could leak until you heal again. Be sure to always keep some sterile bandage packets with you.
They should have given you a post-surgery sheet that told you how long you should avoid lifting - so that's kind of annoying of them - but my surgeon said 6 weeks. I do lift a litte in my job, so I didn't left any thing for 2 months. If you feel a twinge AT ALL - stop lifting.
Also, be sure to do the post surgery breast exercises. If they didn't give you a copy of these, call your doctors office and make them mail you one - pronto.
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I had a lumpectomy with sentinel node biopsy (negative) three weeks and two days ago. Breast incision healing well, but within a week my sentinel node incision site started developing a painless serom that by this morning had grown to the size of a tangerine. A couple of weeks ago the BC surgical nurse said to let it resorb over time, because aspirating it could cause infection. Two days ago I had my first RO consult--RO examined it and said it looked okay and I should fully remove the steri-strips, which I did; and I could resume wearing my favorite underwire bras. (I am a 38I, so soft bras give no support). Early this afternoon as I leaned closer to my bathroom vanity mirror, I felt something warm and wet. At first I thought I'd inadvertently turned on the hot water, but my top (and favorite bra) quickly got soaked. I heard squirting/gushing/sucking sounds and to my horror saw I was literally dripping blood & lymph. After getting the runaround from the hospital operator (who claimed there were no nurses available, even in the Breast Center), I made her call the center with a Priority message, and I finally reached the BC surgical nurse (my surgeon was in the OR), who had me slap a dressing on it and come in.
She recommended I just keep it covered and let it drain, but I was afraid of infection, so she called in the other surgeon, who sutured it. I have to keep it clean and dry and change the dressing every day (expressing a little fluid if possible). I get seen again next week--day after my initial RO simulation session; sutures have to stay in a week or two before I start radiation. Fortunately, I'm only getting external accelerated partial breast radiation, so the sentinel node site won't be irradiated, just the tumor cavity with appears fine.
From all these horror stories, I don't have a good feeling about this--and I have major antibiotic allergies.
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Should also add that the surgeon who sutured me today says a major contributing factor in the sentinel-node skin incision opening (along its entire length) and the seroma gushing (almost as much as breaking water during labor) is probably the extreme size (and weight) of my breast. Mind you, I am overweight but not obese--but you probably have NO idea how tough it was to find post-surgical bras in my cup size (and non-underwired bras in general) with a band small enough to provide support and not ride up. I am currently kicking myself for letting my husband and previous doctors talk me out of breast-reduction surgery back in the day--because I was not having backaches and was able (with effort) to find appropriate and pretty bras, I considered it a purely cosmetic procedure, frivolous, and not worth putting myself through the risks of surgery. (My husband is a cardiologist, had two emergency operations--hemicolectomy w/o an ostomy and herniorrhaphy--over the summer and cheerfully dictated to me his advance directive and last wishes in case he were to “wake up dead” before "going under" both times).
So I wonder if this stupid thing will ever heal and STAY healed. On the other hand, I now have a sure-fire built-in party trick.......
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sorry for the confusion--Sandina and ChiSandy are both me. I had technical difficulties setting up ChiSandy when diagnosed,so I just went ahead and started the Sandina account today.
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I developed an enormous hematoma after my lumpectomy in August 2015. When my BS tapped it, she got 150ml (5-oz.). On the way home from her office, we stopped off at the pharmacy to pick up bandaging supplies when suddenly the hematoma broke open. OMG. So much blood. I looked like I had been stabbed! Thankfully, it was all old blood, so a pressure dressing did the trick. But, really. Yuck!
A week later, I went back to surgery for a re-excision, plus evacuation of this huge hematoma--the BS got another 350ml (11-oz.) blood from the breast. About 5 days later, I could hear and feel a sloshing in the breast, which, of course, was a large seroma. It was big as a lemon under my arm. I went into the office and the BS removed 300ml (10-oz.) of fluid. Two days later, it suddenly burst open and lymph fluid came gushing out like a small fountain. Thankfully, I was at home! All I could do was just mash as much fluid out as possible and slap on a pressure dressing. Three days later, I woke with a 103+ degree fever and the seroma fluid looked absolutely disgusting--majorly infected. I felt like the walking dead. Sigh...it was very stubborn to heal, partly because I still had a lot of fluid in there. The BS finally had to put in a drain. I had to take 3 rounds of powerful antibiotics to finally start feeling like a normal person.
The drain came out 2 weeks ago and there is still some fluid in the seroma. There is a small open area in my incision which sometimes feels a little wet, but it's not wetting my bra or shirt. The BS has already tried suturing the opening, and it did get smaller, but there is still that small open area that will just have to heal from the inside. I start chemo in 4 days, so I'm really crossing my fingers and toes that this thing doesn't get re-infected.
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This is an OLD thrrad that has not been posted in for 7 yrs. You will probably get more replies if you start a new thread with your pertinent questions.
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Hi to all !
Im just a new member here . I am almost a year searching some cases same as my mother . And I am pretty sure this is it .As I read some comments it given so much hope .
My mother is 60 years old widow, Last year she was diagnosed with breast cancer it so very sad because were just a poor family in Philippines. My husband try to help my mother as the best he can but we still couldn't afford and continue her treatment because have more important things that my mother spend the money that we send to her.
Anyway , She has some treatment but now she stops cause of financial issues. Her other side of boobs bursts have some fluid coming out .Sometimes she feels disgust of the smells. Sometimes shes scared and I am more scared too because I feel useless. I wish I am rich to help her more and I am far away from her. My youngest brother and sister take good care of her .
I want just to ask some people that have good idea how to treat like this case at home naturally. How to give my mother a hope and give her some inspiration words .
Thank You So Much !!
God bless You all😘
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