Is my doctor crazy not to order follow-up tests?

I am 33, and was diagnosed with IDC last October.  Surgery (mastectomy) in November revealed it had spread to 6 of 16 lymph nodes, so between that info and size of tumor I was categorized as Stage III.  Had 4 months of chemo, followed by 8 weeks radiation, and now am on tamoxifen for at least 5 years. 

 My question is: My oncologist (in Wash DC) is NOT recommending any follow-up PET/CT scans because he said the data shows that these scans do not help catch recurrence.  He said that doctors in my area (a few hours outside the city, more rural area) are scan-happy and order them when they're not necessary.  He said I should stick with 1-2 mammograms a year (on the remaining breast) and chest wall exams on the surgery site, and that's all that's needed.

 Anyone have any advice or opinions?  Seems like friends and aquaintances I know who live near me are ALL sent for follow up PET/CT scans.  I'm not sure I'm comfortable with not having those tests done if they can help detect a problem in the future (I do plan to do the 1-2 mammograms a year and chest wall exams).

 Thanks

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  • vhqh
    vhqh Member Posts: 535
    edited August 2008

    I don't buy into it but I've seen it reported several times that unless stage IV, follow up scans are not needed if there are no symptoms because it has not been shown that doing routine scans would extend life expectancy.  I have a hard time believing that waiting in blissful ignorance for symptoms to show up is better than treating a bone met before the bone weakens to the point of breaking.

  • badboob67
    badboob67 Member Posts: 2,780
    edited August 2008

    I agree with vhqh. It makes no sense to me that finding mets earlier doesn't make a difference. Mets is not "cureable", but the quality of life of someone with a solitary bone met, for instance, is surely more comfortable than one with extensive mets.

    It's hard to wrap my head around the fact that the literature and "pink" campaigns scream "early detection" and once cancer HAS been detected, we're supposed to do a 180 and not worry about early detection of mets.

    So, your doctor is not necessarily crazy as he/she is following generally accepted guidelines--but, if you do not have a comfort level with the follow-up plan, you should definitely pursue a different plan.

    DIane 

  • Annabella58
    Annabella58 Member Posts: 2,466
    edited August 2008

    Hi gals:

    I had IDCIS and rads and tamoxifen in 2001.  Nodes were negative.  No BRAC.  6 years later, perfectly clean exam and mammo, on a whim from my onc. got an MRI........1 CM LUMP and cancerous!!! Any mammo could not have found it, it wasn't palpable.

    My advice..........if you want to be safe, get an MRI!!! I will never trust mammos alone again!

    MRIs save lives.  You prob. are perfectly safe, but why risk it?  MRI found my lump in an early, non spreading, treatable timeframe.  I had to go with a mastect./recon/arimidex etc. but imagine if I had stuck only to mammos!  I am aware this is not the usual state of affairs, but for my money, you want to be completely safe.  Your dr. is following the generally accepted plan, as was mine, only something had him want an MRI...I thank god he did!

    Good luck to you!

  • Panchoandlefty
    Panchoandlefty Member Posts: 181
    edited August 2008

    Neither of my oncologists order scans w/o symptoms... If I pushed it, they would, but it isn't the "standard of care."

    The logic is that once you are stage IV, all treatments are just about managing symptoms. Data says there is not a survival benefit from detection prior to becoming symptomatic. If you don't have symptoms, there isn't a treatment. Therefore, you get all the anxiety, have a bunch of biopsies, possibly go back into chemo, and don't get to live any longer. On the other hand, if mets aren't "found early" you'll have the same eventual course of treatment, but a few more months of ignorant bliss on the front-end.

    I'm on bisphosphonates to prevent bone mets (clinical trial) which would be the same thing they'd give me if they found mets, so I feel like that one is covered. There are a few preventative things you can do, if your onc and insurance will allow.

    In some places, they do scan. I have Canadian friends who get "baseline scans" after chemo...  

    Really, it is a personal choice. Does the relief of scanning clean outweigh the chance of NOT being NED?  As a Stage III, both choices have validity. 

    Stephanie

  • bcstrawn
    bcstrawn Member Posts: 3
    edited August 2008

    I would think so.

  • LynnInCalif
    LynnInCalif Member Posts: 61
    edited August 2008

    I wanted a baseline normal PET scan.  I told my oncologist that my fatigue was so debilitating (and it was) that I would like to have one to see if anything lit up since it was found that my tumor had been in my breast for over 2 years (seen on 2004 mammogram) before it was surgically excised.  ugh...

  • wishiwere
    wishiwere Member Posts: 3,793
    edited August 2008

    Wow, this is such a great subject, and so varied in doc, patient responses.  I know 'they' say that it doesn't affect cure/tx rate.  BUT...with brain cancer at the least, if you catch it early with only one spot, isn' t there a way to tx it to cure it so to say?  OR am I off base?  Also, with my multi-centric, multi-focal, IDC/DCIS and the other tumor ILC/LCIS (2nd only seen on mri, not mammo or US), I have to admit I'm a bit skeptical that finding it early spreading (since I had No mets to start with) would be better than waiting till like some it's has progressed in several spots in their bones, or liver and such.  Same with Liver. With one spot, they can remove, correct?  But more, they tx it systemically? Isn't that right? 

    I just think earlier is better and fear something missed the first go around. I read somewhere that 2-4% of the time, (I think it 2%), that SLN bx miss a positive node!  UGH!  I only had 3 or 4 removed....and I had two lumps in 2 quadrants.  What if One drained to one node and another to another node? Would it miss one SLN? IT's a fear I have and will continue to I'm sure.  It's my middle name causing all the trouble.  When things can go wrong, they often do in triplet form! MURPHY!  Ha!  Why didn't I change that when I got married and changed my name! :( Oh welllllll...

    I'm with many of you...preventative and early dx is what I want.  I want to tx it when it's small, and manageable, not when it's 2cm or causing problems with pain, and organ damage :(

  • Shirlann
    Shirlann Member Posts: 3,302
    edited August 2008

    Hi sisters, as I have said over and over, we get NOTHING in California, on HMO's, and I mean nothing.  But I cheer myself up with Dr. Love, who says you will know soon enough about mets, and why do you want to know 6 months sooner?  It was a valid opinion, you may agree or not.  She was referring, of course, to the fact that this is eventually fatal, and so why ruin an extra 6 months, by knowing sooner?

    But the recurrence thing is quite different.  However, it should be easily found with a mammo every 6 months.  That is what I did.  Then, after 5 years, the last 5 years have been once a year.

    Sighh, I have also noticed, and this is a little sad, if you have super good insurance, you get a lot more done.  If you have HMO or another kind of the same thing, minimal work is done.

    So if you are going to worry  a lot, then either get it done on your own if the insurance won't pay, or just insist with them.  Some insurance Co's, deny the first request routinely, maybe even the second, but if you threaten them with the State Insurance Oversight Committee, they usually buckle.

    After a few years, this constant fear does get a lot better, as you get more confidence in your body, the dirty traitor!  But this takes time.  And I still never have a headache, even after 10 years it is a brain met.

    Silly me, hugs to all, Shirlann

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