And Greta is still getting emails from all the Hillary supporters saying they were so proud of Hillary...that she should have been the nominee....and they were STILL voting for McCain.  Susan Estrich is getting the same emails.

Hillary sure made us all feel proud last night.  When she brought up health care, I was talking out loud to my TV.  YES!  I do feel Hillary will still take the heat when Obama losses this November.  Somehow it will be her fault.  They're already setting her up for it because she can't bring her supporters back into the fold.  It doesn't matter what we think or feel about this, it will be the media again convincing themselves they didn't back a dead horse, it will be Hillary's fault.  She has nice broad shoulders, she can take the heat and move on.

I'll be watching today to see if they allow a full vote for her, though after last night's performance, they'll be biting their collective nails hoping they can keep the delegates in the Obama camp committed to him.  If they don't allow the full vote for her today, then the rest of the country will know that the dems are only backing a couple of cowards not fit for the Presidency. 

Anneshirley -I agree the part about Harriet Tubman was great.  I think it's analogous to Hillary because no matter what happens she just keeps going.  Remember when her husband was being a pig?  She just kept going with such grace and dignity.  I do believe she will keep going forward winning more votes and convincing people she is ready for the white house in 2012.  

Shirley - I agree with you; don't know what he stands for.  I'm all for action versus words.  Anyone can talk a good talk...all fluff. 

It appears to me, that the republican party has made a commodity out of America and that America's assets have been siphoned into the pockets of very very wealthy people who have subtly and intricately blended those assets (i.e., the worth of America) into their pockets and in exchanged leased the country to foreign nations, one in particular which is not friendly, in the name of  commerce and no bit government contracts.

Follow the money, they say.  And they say it for a reason.  When huge sums of money move from one area to another, you must examine the people who write the check and who cash the check. 

 It is very difficult to believe that leaders would mislead you all in the name of getting richer (and more powerful), isn't it?  To call republicans conservative at this point of time is impossible.  Businessmen have taken over the party.  Better regroup, and in the meantime, let the country go forward into peace, paying off the debt and repairing the cables that hold this wonderful country together before we have to pass the job down to the grandchildren in the form of a failing infrastructure and excessive federal, state, county and local taxes.  The wealthy can afford to pay taxes.  They tend to have NUMEROUS write offs, and well, I just don't think a home abroad is all that necessary; pay your share and let us all get a taste of a bit of the good life.

 McCain is trouble.  Israel (Leiberman) is the reason.  Another war would break this country's back.

Lynn, I am really offended by your post equating Israel with Leiberman.  There are many Israelis and American Jews who take a different view of Israel then Senator Leiberman.  He is one man, thats all.

<<Hate the Hollywood glitz, but then I always do.  Not easily affected by subliminal appeals.  Perhaps my age, maybe my innate cynicism. >>

perhaps, anne, you are out of touch with the big picture ...

as you said...

<<Whatever.>>

Shirley,

as i look through major and indy news, political blogs, the last night of the democrat convention is receiving high marks ... I do not know where Bill and Hillary were at the time of the speech, she only issued a statement.

indeed it was a very expensive event befitting the 70,000 in attendance and being broadcast throughout the world. it produced very powerful images.

i agree with the bbc commentator who said it had more of a west wing look than greek temple.

on the early show this morning former FBI agent Joe Navarro, author of "What Every Body Is Saying," said "It "absolutely" worked, Navarro told co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez. "This was democracy at its best. It was open... You look at ... everything -- the people, the surroundings, the colors, the imagery. It reminds you of Athenian democracy."

Rodriguez pointed out that one of the charges made by critics beforehand was the columns on the stage made it look a little bit too much like a temple, like this was meant to worship Obama as a god.

"Not at all," Navarro responded. "This is about that, you know -- we use images of these columns from Athens to tell us about our history of democracy, about openness, about the people. And we have a great example of this where this has been opened up, I think, for the first time and may set a precedent for future conventions. Very powerful."

Navarro added that columns are used in structures throughout Washington: "They're at the White House, they are at the Library of Congress, they are at the largest memorials, and they draw us in, and they remind us, this is about democracy. Extremely powerful images."

One part of the night Navarro says he particularly liked was afterwards, when the Obamas walked off, as a family. He said the setting looked like that of "the White House. And you see them walking off into (it). ... (It showed that), 'Hey, we're normal. Just like you. We are a family.' Very, very powerful images here. We haven't seen these, by the way, since the Kennedys. ... And when you see them walking away, you see that they fit in. They're comfortable here. We're comfortable with them. This is extremely powerful. They're going to be talking about this for a very long time. Very tough to top."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/29/earlyshow/main4395335.shtml

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i think you hit the nail on the head when you said ....

it's all politics.....

and last night the democratic party took it up a notch in my opinion.

laurap

So who are the women who might give McCain another look now that Palin will be at his side?

 "It's the independent woman who has seen McCain as too old or too stodgy, but who isn't ready to vote for Obama. Some of these are the soft or skeptical Republican voters who might sit it out. Some of these may be evangelical women who may see in Palin something of themselves, but who aren't energized enough to vote.'"

Time Magazine   Friday, Aug. 29, 2008

Will Women Vote for Palin?

There is little doubt that John McCain's unexpected choice of 44-year old Sarah Palin as his vice presidential nominee is aimed squarely at female voters.

As Alaska governor, Palin said Friday, "I stood up to the lobbyists, the big oil companies and the good old boy network." And she tossed an unmistakeable garland to Democrat Hillary Clinton "for showing such grace and determination in her campaign ... The women of America aren't finished yet."

But if female voters are the targets of the Palin pick, the question is: which kind of female voter?

Not Clinton voters, said a senior adviser to the Clinton campaign Friday morning. Palin may get women to the polls, the adviser said, but it will not be Democratic women.

The only women the choice might move, she contends, is unexcited Republican women who have been leery of McCain thus far.

"Hillary had a lot of support from three groups," the adviser said. "The first - middle aged, non-college woman - should be Democrats, but they stayed home instead of turning out for Al Gore and John Kerry. They are all about the economy. Those women are not social conservatives, nor are they pro-gun. They are definitely security conscious, and so they may have an issue with someone who has two years experience being a heartbeat away from a 72 year old man. That's asking a lot. That's a big ask."

The next group, according to the Clinton adviser, is older female voters who, she said, backed Clinton in large numbers because they believed "experience should trump change. They really wanted a more experienced person as President. It was a bonus for these voters was that Hillary was a woman, because it made them proud of her and themselves. But those women are social progressives. I don't see them turning to McCain because of Sarah Palin."

The third group - and some of the most diehard Hillary voters, the adviser admitted - were affluent women who had risen in their professions at the same time that Clinton did. Those voters too, she noted, tend to be quite liberal and unlikely to move to McCain-Palin.

So who are the women who might give McCain another look now that Palin will be at his side?

"It's the independent woman who has seen McCain as too old or too stodgy, but who isn't ready to vote for Obama. Some of these are the soft or skeptical Republican voters who might sit it out. Some of these may be evangelical women who may see in Palin something of themselves, but who aren't energized enough to vote.'"

The Clinton adviser's final verdict on McCain's pick of Palin? "The whole thing strikes me as utterly ludicrous," she said.

• http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1837526,00.html

Wow!  I watched Obama last night with my Aunts and Uncles and Cousins in California.  We were all blown away at how effectively Barack countered every charge that has been shot at him by McCain.  It was such an intimate, memorable moment (hour actually) that I will always treasure.  I have talked to several friends and my parents this morning, and they are all so friggin happy.  And we are laughing our arses off about McCain's VP pick.  In  football terms, Paulin is a 4th quarter, nothing to lose, Hail Mary pass, thrown wildly, desperately toward the end-zone in hopes of a miracle.

The insinuation that women who voted for Hillary will vote for any woman regardless of her policies and experience, is laughable and shows just how truly out of touch the Republican party has become. 

donna,

lol the columns ....just read that there were 38.3 million viewers ....."Mr. Obama's speech reached more viewers than the Olympics opening ceremony in Beijing, the final "American Idol" or the Academy Awards this year, the Associated Press notes"....

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/29/politics/animal/main4399951.shtml

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palin ...i agree with this GUY, steve brenen... ...

(Political Animal) PALIN ON HRC.... One of the more offensive angles to the McCain campaign's running mate announcement is how breathtakingly cynical it is. As the McCain gang sees it, supporters of Hillary Clinton are driven entirely by gender concerns -- the notion that Democrats may have actually liked Hillary for her record and agenda apparently isn't a consideration -- so picking a woman, any woman, even a far-right anti-choice woman, will necessarily drive Democrats to vote Republican.

I suspect this will backfire. No one likes to be played for a fool, and these crass tactics will probably be perceived by Clinton backers as more insulting than anything else.

And yet, in a move that was about as subtle as a sledgehammer, Sarah Palin praised Hillary Clinton during her first appearance on the national stage today, referencing the "18 million cracks in the glass ceiling" quote. Before anyone's fooled, though, keep in mind that Palin is not a Clinton fan.

Newsweek reports that back in March, at a Women and Leadership event held by the mag, Palin's view of Hillary wasn't quite as charitable: "She said she felt kind of bad she couldn't support a woman, but she didn't like Clinton's 'whining.'"

I'm sure that'll impress Clinton's most ardent backers, right?

McCain has taken the most patronizing attitude imaginable, and it's likely to fail. Note to the McCain campaign: we know Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton is a friend of ours. Senator, Sarah Palin is no Hillary Clinton.

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i too walked away from the tube last night knowing that i had witnessed one of the most memorable events in modern day politics/government... amazing, wonderful times ... and i hope hillary is around to sign a new healthcare plan ..................

 laurap

I am sleep-deprived, ladies!  I have been so inspired and my hope has been restored all week watching the convention, I have barely slept and have been showing up at work with a $hit-eating grin on my face everyday

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TheresaPW - this one's for you, my dear cyber-sister!  I remember talking to you just days before you passed over to a better place.  We discusssed Barack, and I remember you liked what you were seeing.  It was 3 years ago that we cried together as an entire city was drowning while the current administration was asleep at the wheel.  I'll never forget you, Theresa.  On November 5th, I will raise a glass of champagne to toast you, this country, and the future world for your children.